how about to send this Huckerbee a personal e-mail and tell him that you would put him on Ignore which means you will never respond with a feed back ever again on his "free speech" board. but even if you do that what you don't do ever again you will still watch his show, and if there is anything that deserve to open a new topic on the bahtbusland forum, you will still open a new topic and reports his misbehaviour to the community of the bahtbusland forum.

best way will be to send him 3-4 of such e-mails at an half hour interval. maybe he laugh himself to death while reading them.

This post has been edited by bonobo: 2009-11-05 09:31:37

History will be the judge, I suppose, of both Kennedy and Bush. Kennedy at the very least handled the Cuban missile crisis effectively, I personally struggle to find any success in Bush Jnrs two terms, in fact he seems to have presided over a series of major failures in both policy and execution, both at home and abroad.

As for Muslim immigrants to the US, how outspoken are they in normal times? What sort of publicity do their views get on other issues? Or are their views only sought on certain occasions, like 9/11?

And how many of them have family/friends back in unfriendly regimes? Perhaps they just wanted to keep their heads down, and avoid the possibility of reprisals in their countries of origin.

This would have started it, Jingthing - no mention of the USA; something a Brit or Ozzie could have said. No, you had to drag USA into it. So you get what we have here.

Fox is more entertaining than the BBC or CNN, but they are just as biased towards the left as Fox is to the right. TV News is not known for being fair to everybody!

The Beeb and CNN understand the difference between news and opinion - Fox thinks they're one and the same.

Okay, yada yada. So which nation in the "free world" is the most influential?

Most websites seem to attract a lot of loonies and losers who do nothing but bitch about everyone and everything. It is no surprise that they are not praising the US as they seem to reserve that for Fidel Castro, Hamas and Bin Ladin.
However, most polls reveal that a lot of foreigners are quite friendly towards America and Americans, but don't feel the need to go around shoving their views in everyone's face.

This post has been edited by Ulysses G.: 2009-11-05 07:07:23

I guess I should state, by the way, that I am a Democrat and think Bush was a lousy president...just for the record.

I'm not sure I agree that Kennedy handled the Cuban Missile Crisis effectively. Most believe we were closer to nuclear war than at any other time in our history.

Muslim organizations in the U.S. can be quite outspoken about various issues that involve them. That's to be expected, of course. I would say that Muslim terrorism against the country in which they and their families are living involves them.

Your second point is a good one.

A FOX viewer would tell you exactly the same thing about FOX - It always seems that way when someone is telling you what you want to hear. The BBC and CNN are just as biased from a different point of view.

This post has been edited by Ulysses G.: 2009-11-05 07:14:22

Don't blame it on conservatives. Huckabee is just an idiot. I'm conservative and love the experience of living abroad. In fact, now more than ever is a great time for conservatives to take a break from the home land and live overseas.

Leaving aside the issue of whether Huckabee really implied what Jingthing is inferring from his comments - no, I don't find that people back home (in the US) think it unpatriotic of me to live and work abroad. Certainly I meet people that have no interest in travelling abroad, but I meet just as many (perhaps more) who are openly envious of me for doing so. To many who envy it, it sounds like a very romantic way of life, to others it sounds like a lucrative prospect. Even among those who have no desire to go abroad themselves, I can't recall any expressing disapproval of other people doing it.

I don't see that Huckabee and jingthing are talking about the same thing in any way shape or form, but I also have never heard of Americans looking down on anyone for living abroad. They may think that they are a little crazy living somewhere with all those diseases and natural disasters, but not much else.

This post has been edited by Ulysses G.: 2009-11-05 08:12:01

Firstly, very, very few Thais , who are not going for study purposes, go overseas.

There is a small proportion who go for short work contracts ie: men to do labouring, welding etc to the middle east or Australia , for example, or women to massage parlours or restaurants in places such as Australia or even Singapore.

The vast majority of Thais who go abroad long term are, of course, newly married brides of an expat (Brit, Aussie, Swiss, Yank etc etc).

So, in the end you are left with a miniscule number of Thais who have the guts, the brains, the balls, the skills (including language) and the talent to venture overseas. And, when they do, they almost always head straight for the local Thai community in Sydney, LA, London, etc to stay with an Aunt or sister or such otherwise they would simply find it almost impossible to survive on their own.

Unlike the hordes of expat westeners strewn around the globe, the number of Thais who go abroad expecting to survive and prosper under their own power, intellegence, drive, intestinal fortitude, and wit can be counted on one hand!

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In comment to the OP topic, I think that many western countriy's peoples have sold themselves out, thrown away their herritage, their culture etc and embraced mutli-culturalism to the point they frown upon or laugh at their own people's patriotism while supporting both verbally and financially the rights of immigrants both legal and illegal .
Whilst there may be some things I do not like about Thais and Thailand, I must say that I do admire their sense of patriotism and the wish to maintain as much of their culture as possible ( although if you look at it from a business point of view most are more interested in making money and pay only lip service to culture for non-Thai consumption). However, their nationalistic propaganda that they are force fed on, and try to ram down the throats of westeners is somewhat boring and tiresome.... eyes glaze over...yawn!!.

This post has been edited by barky: 2009-11-05 09:19:01

I think Obama's team made a big mistake in declaring FN an outright adversary.
He's been making this mistake all along, mentioning the names of right-wing blowhards in front of cameras. He was a law student, then a law professor, then went into community politics. One thing he has no understanding of is celebrity culture (and I use the word culture only for lack of a better term). But he's learning. I hope.
He doesn't understanding that by saying "are you going to believe me or Sean Hannity?" that he's just giving the latter more fodder for his airtime, and I could just see SH's schoolyard bully smile as he replays the soundbite on his show. O doesn't realize these guys are just manifestations of Ted Baxter, maybe he should watch videos of the old Mary Tyler Moore show. FN is making the most of it, with Murdoch himself goading it on. Wouldn't surprise me if Huckabee's producers told him something like "make it more ridiculous than usual, orders from the top."
O should take on Madonna as a media adviser. He needs to understand nearly all bad publicity can be turned to advantage (hey, I said NEARLY!).

Remember when Don Imus got caught on the racist gaff and had to leave his network? I predicted then that after this blows over he'll end up on Fox News, I just found out yesterday that it happened. How was I able to call that one? Well, I knew he was pals with Ailes.

I imagine Governor Huckabee was actually referring to incidents such as this one:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp

This particular incident was in 1996, but it would qualify under my definition of..."If you don't like the US, go back home."

I seriously doubt Huckabee was trying to say evil things about expats. I would be greatly surprised if Huckabee is even aware there are expat communities of US citizens scattered around the world. Politicians give little thought to those that might be non-voters.

All this talk about Fox and little talk about MSNBC, where Keith Olberman spews his venom and Chris Matthews gets tingles up his leg when he hears Obama speak?

They will sow what they reap and I hope I don’t have to ever go back. The thing that disturbs me is the democrats outsourcing our work. Unemployment at 10%, a failing economy and they are going to lowest bidder and pushing out any company that supports the Republican Party or hires a majority of Expatriates. All the money we spend overseas is flowing right out of our economy because it is being spent in the countries of whom they hire to do the work. In the past year they have doubled the cost of services while reducing quality.

What is the problem with these idiots? They hire half of Mexico so that their stock goes up and executives make more money then act surprised when we are overrun at the border. They spend billions to arrest high school kids for smoking weed and trafficking amounts of dope that they have to strip search and fondle to find then looked alarmed when the Mexican mafia takes over the drug trade shipping in tons a day. They want to fix the cost health care but never question why it is too expensive for anyone to afford and does not have fixed prices for services.

The American people are brainwashed and stupid, I am glad I got out. They think insurance is an investment and are to blind to see that mandatory insurance is anything other than a tax. They think they have good health care even though their hospitals kill more people a year than guns, heroin, alcohol, and cigarettes combined. They are putting band aids on gapping flesh wounds for short term goals and notoriety for even shorter terms in office.

They have only begun to attack us because people who live outside the country see things they don’t want us to see. Such as walking into the Bangkok hospital emergency room and being treated in less than 30 min for $40.They do not want a population of traveled American citizens because this would make their policies transparent in the public eye so they will continue to keep us from making too much money. The same as a communist government does not let their citizens leave their country they will inadvertently become what they despise.

Don’t worry about the patriotism rhetoric brother, it’s just a slander word used to manipulate us into not questioning authority and policies of their socialist agenda. That’s not the flag we fought for 20 years ago hanging in that gym. Its the new cover page to a democratic manual on how to turn Washington into Hollywood.

i didn't read the full story at snopes, but wasn't California part of Mexico just 150 years ago. in this case, who should go home where?

I am calling a foul here. The Huckabee rant I was referring to was about regular American citizens complaining about an American flag at their gym. It had NOTHING to do with Mexicans asserting hegemony over the USA in the USA. The way some people are trying to spin this topic is truly amazing.

Mods, I am sorry if I framed this thread in a way that led to this. There doesn't seem to be any real hope that people will talk about the actual topic. Please close it.

This post has been edited by Jingthing: 2009-11-05 16:10:11

The illegal aliens should go home.

Mexico owned the southwest, Alaska was owned by Russia, France owned the Louisiana territories and England and Spain owned most of the eastern seaboard of the US.

Mexico was previously owned by Spain.

Should the illegal alien Mexicans go to Spain or Mexico?

the questions is what makes the other 'aliens' legal? no alien should be illegal anywhere.

remember that singer who had the sticker that said This Machine Kills Fascists displayed on his guitar.
he sang the famous song, full of a spirit, next to killing fascists, Americans are loved for:

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.

Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me.

I worked for a Mexican-American in San Antonio, which was settled by Spaniards (Mexicans), A German-American walked in and said aliens should go home. I said, "Go home to Germany. newcomer."

This thread was meant to be about ....I forget.

Closed. '