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Thailand Opts To Build Nuclear Power Plant
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post 2007-06-12 16:36:12
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I don't know if it is a good thing or not.At least they do not bring any bad things in the air for environment reasons.But in Thailand?
I just don't know if the Thai can do well enough to take care,probably nonsense what I talk,its just like another member pointed out in those pictures.... whistling.gif
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post 2007-06-12 16:48:05
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QUOTE(rafval @ 2007-06-12 15:46:28) *
aside from the practical issues there are the ecomonic, uranium isnt going to last much longer then oil, and with everyone deciding it is some kind of endless energy supply that isnt contributing to global warming I imagine the cost of uranium will have gone up substatualy by the time it is built, let alone the remainder if its life, I predict there will be a lot of half built nuclear reactors around the planet soon, countries really need to think about putting their money into developing sustainable energy, they are going to have to in less then 50 years anyway so why not put the money into it now and get a head start on the rest of the world, but I guess the fortune tellers that make these decisions arent to clued up on reality



you are tripping mate, everywhere they dig in northern South Australia, Uranium is popping up.
Olympic Dam at a conservative estimate will produce for another 70 years.
There are at least 20 other claims that are in the offing
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post 2007-06-12 16:54:06
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QUOTE(Jai Dee @ 2007-06-12 15:25:30) *
Egat ready to pump $6 bn into nuclear power

The Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (Egat) is ready to invest at least US$6 billion (Bt208 billion) in two nuclear power plants in line with the power development plan, which includes the generation of 4,000 megawatts of nuclear power.

Kraisri Karnasutra, governor of the state agency, yesterday said the plants would require an investment of $1.5 million per megawatt. He said nuclear power involved a lower generating cost - at Bt2.01 per unit - than coal, for which the cost was Bt2.05 per unit.

Under the power development plan (PDP), which runs from this year to 2021, Egat will be responsible for national nuclear power generation.

"We're studying the project in detail, and we'll also work on educating the public about nuclear power generation," Kraisri said yesterday at an Egat-sponsored forum titled "Why Nuclear Power Plants?"

He said the plants would be located near rivers, because water is essential for cooling in nuclear facilities. The two plants will together cover an area of 1,000-2,000 rai.

In his speech to the forum, Energy Minister Piyasvasti Amranand said the Kingdom needed nuclear power, because of its overreliance on natural gas and trends towards cleaner energy.

"Nuclear power provides the highest security in terms of fuel when Thailand is facing risks in natural-gas supplies. At present, one-third of natural gas comes from Burma, and Thailand is now negotiating to import liquefied natural gas."

He called natural gas a clean energy source that was in high demand from many countries, which have agreed purchase contracts in advance. Meanwhile, despite its abundance, coal does not enjoy public acceptance, due to fears of pollution.

"Therefore, energy ministers of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum at their meeting from May 27-30 in Australia approved the move to develop nuclear power technology jointly," the minister said.

Under the PDP, 4,000MW of nuclear power is set to be fed into the system in the next 14 years: 2,000MW in 2020 and 2,000MW in 2021.

Piyasvasti said a nuclear-power working committee had been formed and that an action plan should be complete by the end of this year.

If approved, construction of the plants will not start before 2014, by which time the authorities will have undertaken personnel training and public education. A further assessment will then be carried out to finalise whether Thailand was ready for nuclear power plants. If so, the plants will take about six years to build.

"If the new government does not agree to the plan, it should have a clear answer about what the alternative would be and where the fuel would come from," he said.

Piyasvasti added that the Energy Ministry plans to be carried out under the PDP would help reduce the emissions of carbon dioxide.

Under the PDP, priority will be given to power generation from natural gas in the initial stage, to be followed by coal-fired power plants and hydropower. Carbon dioxide emissions will be reduced from 600 tonnes per gigawatt to 470 tonnes by 2021.

Source: The Nation - 12 June 2007



It takes about 10 years to build a Nuclear Power Station, so if the got cracking now they may have it on line by 2017, what is their estimated consumption by then?
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post 2007-06-12 21:21:34
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QUOTE(bronco @ 2007-06-12 17:54:06) *
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Under the PDP, 4,000MW of nuclear power is set to be fed into the system in the next 14 years: 2,000MW in 2020 and 2,000MW in 2021.
Source: The Nation - 12 June 2007



It takes about 10 years to build a Nuclear Power Station, so if the got cracking now they may have it on line by 2017, what is their estimated consumption by then?

It seems they already gave you the answers..................... huh.gif
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post 2007-06-12 21:38:32
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Wonder what Lee Hsien Loong (Singapore) reckons about all this?
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post 2007-06-13 02:06:59
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There a nice bit of land just along from the Bali Hi Pier in Patti that would be ideal for a Nuk Power Station ...and... just think of all those millions of potential foreign toorists that it would attract.

A real BOOM town in the making....... ohmy.gif
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post 2007-06-13 13:39:28
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Oh, and I think if the country goes nuclear then we won't need much electricity because we'll all be glowing in the dark anyway!

I have no particular problem with nuclear energy, but I do given the level of corruption and the gross level of inexperience (and incompetence) in this area. I mean, someone gets a contract from their "influential" politician/friend, he then decides to sub-contract that to his loser brother-in-law, who decides to use less rebar and cement........ and, here we are, glowing in the dark!
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post 2007-06-13 15:12:11
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Forgetting about the actual construction of the reactor facility itself, lets look at the problem of hazardous (radioactive) materials handling, storage & disposal.

"Yo Noi, go 'nd fetch a couple of the long, heavy rod things. Peak period is coming & we have to juice this thing up!"

"No problemo boss, where the fcuk do we keep those anyway?"

"Don't ya know ya imbecile? They're in that rusty shed outside."

"Got it. Hey do I need one of those suit things you are wearing?"

"Na, its only for us techies who have to wear this garb to keep the inter. inspectors happy. She'll be right mate!"

"What about the pile of used ones out the back?"

"Don't concern youself with those laddie. The dump truck's comin next week to take them to the new landfill for the runway extension at the airport. We actually make profit fom selling that glowing sh!t."

"No wuckers boss!"

I see the problem of waste management & environmental impact being a huge issue. I think work place safety & other stds. have a way to go before Thailand will be reponsible enough to operate a nuclear device of any desription.

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PS. The coloured conversation above is written in jest at a potentially dangerous problem.
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post 2007-06-13 15:18:54
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How can you possibly think there would be a problem with waste disposal. The country is awash with plastic bags. Just put that stuff in plastic bags and put it in the garbage--mai pen rai!
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post 2007-06-13 15:26:54
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[/color]I see the problem of waste management & environmental impact being a huge issue. I think work place safety & other stds. have a way to go before Thailand will be reponsible enough to operate a nuclear device of any desription.

Cheers,


Soundman.

PS. The coloured conversation above is written in jest at a potentially dangerous problem.
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Where does that leave the Ongkarak reactor, I wonder? She's already up and running for some years I believe, but some people (in particular the last Gov of Bangkok - Ai Dang Moo) wanted to soup it up a bit and make it ballistic. ohmy.gif

I'm with ya Soundman on the niggling little worries about Thailand going nuclear. I can still remember the nuclear fallout from Chernobyl back in '86, when working under rainy Scottish skies. They banned selling Dumfries lamb, like Lappland reindeer steaks, for about a decade after. Which dude said one didn't need to worry about the atmosphere with nuclear? Maybe too young to remember 3 Mile Island's and Sellafield's little contributions to cancer spikes and other nuclear presents. blink.gif
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post 2007-06-13 15:57:02
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QUOTE(plachon @ 2007-06-13 15:26:54) *
Where does that leave the Ongkarak reactor, I wonder? She's already up and running for some years I believe, but some people (in particular the last Gov of Bangkok - Ai Dang Moo) wanted to soup it up a bit and make it ballistic. ohmy.gif

I'm with ya Soundman on the niggling little worries about Thailand going nuclear. I can still remember the nuclear fallout from Chernobyl back in '86, when working under rainy Scottish skies. They banned selling Dumfries lamb, like Lappland reindeer steaks, for about a decade after. Which dude said one didn't need to worry about the atmosphere with nuclear? Maybe too young to remember 3 Mile Island's and Sellafield's little contributions to cancer spikes and other nuclear presents. blink.gif


Had no idea there is a reactor in Ongkarak - I live down wind from there. blink.gif

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A few years back they had that little runaway reaction in Tokyo, of all places. They had a mixing tank with two lines indicating the amounts of two different materials to be mixed before injection into another part of the reactor. I think one of the materials was a radioactive cesium-based fluid. Anyway, despite a theoretically excellent education and training, the manager decided to DOUBLE the recipe (and so increase the apparent efficiency of his section). Unfortunately, he seems to have forgotten about things like chain reactions and critical mass, and his ignorance killed himself and a few workers and irradiated an entire town.

If they can't even get it right all the time in Japan.....
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QUOTE(soundman @ 2007-06-11 19:47:07) *
QUOTE(Mid @ 2007-06-11 16:48:34) *
ohmy.gif NIMBY ,

as i stated earlier when this was raised ,

until they learn to store munitions without them exploding , perhaps they should refrain from nuclear technology .

One would hope that it is built to a better grade than the airport...

I foresee property prices taking a nose dive in whichever lucky province gets designated...


Soundman.


What do you mean ?? its already decided..........it will be the same Company...........ofcourse.... blink.gif
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post 2007-06-13 19:18:57
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There's a nuclear reactor near JJs. It's been there for about 30 years. I haven't seen many two-headed Thais wandering around Bangkok. I haven't seen property prices tumbling around JJs over the last 30 years either ... or a big, hot hole in the ground.
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Reactor: OAP operates a 2-megawatt nuclear research reactor, Thai Research Reactor 1/Modification 1 (TRR-1/M1). TRR-1/M1 is of the type TRIGA Mark III, built by General Atomics, and began operation in 1977. TRR-1/M1 is the only nuclear reactor in Thailand.


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TRIGA is a pool-type reactor that can be installed without a containment building, and is designed for use by scientific institutions and universities for purposes such as graduate education, private commercial research, non-destructive testing and isotope production.

The TRIGA reactor uses uranium-zirconium-hydride (UZrH) fuel, which has a prompt negative temperature coefficient, meaning that as the temperature of the core increases, the reactivity decreases - so it is physically impossible for a meltdown to occur.



them's apples ,

these are oranges ...................
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QUOTE(Mid @ 2007-06-13 19:30:17) *
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Reactor: OAP operates a 2-megawatt nuclear research reactor, Thai Research Reactor 1/Modification 1 (TRR-1/M1). TRR-1/M1 is of the type TRIGA Mark III, built by General Atomics, and began operation in 1977. TRR-1/M1 is the only nuclear reactor in Thailand.


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TRIGA is a pool-type reactor that can be installed without a containment building, and is designed for use by scientific institutions and universities for purposes such as graduate education, private commercial research, non-destructive testing and isotope production.

The TRIGA reactor uses uranium-zirconium-hydride (UZrH) fuel, which has a prompt negative temperature coefficient, meaning that as the temperature of the core increases, the reactivity decreases - so it is physically impossible for a meltdown to occur.



them's apples ,

these are oranges ...................


That, I suppose puts it in perspective. Give a kid a fool proof toy - he gets some confidence. Give him the real deal & the boundaries (Chernoble) will be pushed.


Soundman.
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ps , the ruskies are building one for the western neighbours ................................... ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(Mid @ 2007-06-13 19:30:17) *
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Reactor: OAP operates a 2-megawatt nuclear research reactor, Thai Research Reactor 1/Modification 1 (TRR-1/M1). TRR-1/M1 is of the type TRIGA Mark III, built by General Atomics, and began operation in 1977. TRR-1/M1 is the only nuclear reactor in Thailand.


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TRIGA is a pool-type reactor that can be installed without a containment building, and is designed for use by scientific institutions and universities for purposes such as graduate education, private commercial research, non-destructive testing and isotope production.

The TRIGA reactor uses uranium-zirconium-hydride (UZrH) fuel, which has a prompt negative temperature coefficient, meaning that as the temperature of the core increases, the reactivity decreases - so it is physically impossible for a meltdown to occur.



them's apples ,

these are oranges ...................


Fair enough.

As living proof that a little knowledge in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing, I should be held up to Thailand as an example whistling.gif

If they go ahead, I'm ready and prepared to duck, cover and kiss my arse goodbye!

(Er ... it's quite scary actually ...)
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QUOTE(soundman @ 2007-06-13 16:12:11) *
"Yo Noi, go 'nd fetch a couple of the long, heavy rod things. Peak period is coming & we have to juice this thing up!"

"No problemo boss, where the fcuk do we keep those anyway?"

"Don't ya know ya imbecile? They're in that rusty shed outside."

"Got it. Hey do I need one of those suit things you are wearing?"

"Na, its only for us techies who have to wear this garb to keep the inter. inspectors happy. She'll be right mate!"

"What about the pile of used ones out the back?"

"Don't concern youself with those laddie. The dump truck's comin next week to take them to the new landfill for the runway extension at the airport. We actually make profit fom selling that glowing sh!t."

"No wuckers boss!"

coloured conversation above is written in jest at a potentially dangerous problem.


Many a true word is spoken in jest............... whistling.gif
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Build it down in Pattaya and put some chrome poles around it. Brownout problems solved immediately. laugh.gif
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You know, they encased the Chernobyl reactor in a "sarcophagus" just to get the ###### thing covered over until they could figure out what to do with it. Well, it's over 2o years later and they're talking about building another case around the first case that is rapidly deteriorating due to the heat and radioactivity emanating from the pit. It's still in that pit--under tons and tons of boron and lime--burning a hole in the ground. That incident is far from over and it's not mainstream news. It's not mainstream news because you're not supposed to know about it; think about it; talk about it. It's big business and it doesn't want a bad image. It doesn't matter where you build it. It's dangerous beyond all comparison and the fact that there aren't more people up in arms at the idea of Thailand adding one more pothole to the road is pretty damning evidence of the lack of education on the matter.
A lack of education that is by no means coincidental nor accidental.
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QUOTE(Ping @ 2007-06-13 20:59:46) *
Build it down in Pattaya and put some chrome poles around it. Brownout problems solved immediately. laugh.gif


Toasted tottie.......hhhhhhmmmmmmm. rolleyes.gif

Now you mention it, with all that friction being created down there in Patters every night, why bother with a nuclear generator at all. Why not just convert all that latent energy directly into electricty. Convert the poles into Van der Graaf generators or something. I'm sure there would be plenty of volunteers on TV with the requisite knwledge to create a few MB's out of the shiny poles, thus saving the Thai nation the dangers of a meltdown. Any public spirited takers? sad.gif cool.gif
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Truth imitating fiction perhaps?

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It's frightening to imagine the like of the CNS managing a nuke plant!
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Of course they'll stage huge bins of "Nuke-Away!" around the site in case of leaks or terrorist attack. Right?

They DO have "Nuke-Away!" don't they?

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