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Thaksin Appointed As Adviser Of Cambodian Government
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post 2009-11-06 15:07:09
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QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 15:01:49) *
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Thaksin has destroyed any chance of PTP regaining power, with this Cambodia fiasco. Bad for Thaksin and PTP, good for Thailand, without a doubt.


I know only one fiasco for Thailand and that was a really big one.

It's callled "THE PAD".


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post 2009-11-06 15:33:15
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Just before the ASEAN Sumit, Khmer PM said he would let TS stay in Cambodia, for extradiction treaty does not cover political conviction. He may even offer an adviser to PM position to TS. Abhisit then threated Khmer PM to concentrate only on the summit, or face the consequence of Thailand pull out its assistance to Cambodia if he would bring TS case up to the public again. Hun Sen did keep quiet, and Thai PM thinked he had won. Then early this week, the Khmer King Sihamuni endorsed the appointment of TS to PM advisory post. Abhisit is enraged. Firt he said it will not effect the two countries relation. Dr. Panithan saying the same, but added there would be some complication in the relation. A few hours later, Abhisit order teh Thai Ambasador pull out, and a review to all agreement/ treaties it has with Cambodia. My points is it is true to many that TS case is a political motivate, so my dear Abhisit had made a wrong move threatening Khmer PM. And it blown up out of proportion to pull back the ambassodor for TS appointment. Now for me, Abisit is as a child throwing tantrum, and TS would be viewed as a traitor by many Thai if he accept the post. Two Thais loss their status que, one Khmer PM is able to rid dependency to neighbour country, make himself a braveheart David who breaks the giant. sad.gif
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That's quite an imaginative post, you should get a creative writing prize.

Anyway, we notice that Red leaders are silent. They're not saying anything, which is remarkable. Or is it?

Red leaders aren't breaking from Thaksin, none are declaring him a traitor much less denouncing him. Reds aren't questioning Thaksin concerning Hun Sen and Cambodia. No Red demonstrations have been scheduled to hang the 'turncoat' Thaksin in effigy, or literally. Reds aren't shaking their heads either.

The silence of the Reds is instructive. At least so far.

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post 2009-11-06 16:39:02
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Ahh yes a another RED revolution this time in neighboring country Thailand. Get rid of the pesky Elite so we can all be peasants again, its unfair for people to have more money and education than you... unless of course you are chinese!
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QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif


Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.


-- The Nation 2009-10-06

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Sondhi-Elect...Pa-t304285.html

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QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 16:57:12) *
QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif


Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.


-- The Nation 2009-10-06

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Sondhi-Elect...Pa-t304285.html


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QUOTE (Yoshitaka @ 2009-11-05 18:35:43) *
Stop shooting the messenger. Hun Sen DID NOT sign Thaksin appointnment. I wonder who did? Why can't you people blame the correct person.


Yes, he was in the bath at the time and didn't hear the telephone ring.
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QUOTE (CrossBones @ 2009-11-06 16:39:02) *
Ahh yes a another RED revolution this time in neighboring country Thailand. Get rid of the pesky Elite so we can all be peasants again, its unfair for people to have more money and education than you... unless of course you are chinese!


The Thai Chinese are an overseas Chinese community who live in Thailand. Official statistics show that six million people in 1987,[2] or about 14% of Thailand's population claim to be of Chinese ethnicity.[3] Extensive intermarriages with the Thais, especially in the past has resulted in many people who claim Chinese ethnicity with Thai ancestry, or mixed.[4] People of Chinese descent are concentrated in the coastal areas of Thailand, principally Bangkok.[5] They are well-represented in all levels of Thai society and play a leading role in business and politics.

(Source: wiki)
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QUOTE (fullcave @ 2009-11-06 19:22:12) *
QUOTE (CrossBones @ 2009-11-06 16:39:02) *
Ahh yes a another RED revolution this time in neighboring country Thailand. Get rid of the pesky Elite so we can all be peasants again, its unfair for people to have more money and education than you... unless of course you are chinese!


The Thai Chinese are an overseas Chinese community who live in Thailand. Official statistics show that six million people in 1987,[2] or about 14% of Thailand's population claim to be of Chinese ethnicity.[3] Extensive intermarriages with the Thais, especially in the past has resulted in many people who claim Chinese ethnicity with Thai ancestry, or mixed.[4] People of Chinese descent are concentrated in the coastal areas of Thailand, principally Bangkok.[5] They are well-represented in all levels of Thai society and play a leading role in business and politics.

(Source: wiki)


And?
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QUOTE (LawnGnome @ 2009-11-06 14:47:25) *
Thaksin has destroyed any chance of PTP regaining power, with this Cambodia fiasco. Bad for Thaksin and PTP, good for Thailand, without a doubt.


Hi LawnGnome

Well ..... you may be right ... I prefer to wait & see a little !! I lack your ability to forecast Thai public opinion. Most of what I see in this thread is but wishful thinking on behalf of an extremely small non-voting minority with strong and frequently distorted vision.

If this matter relates to the Democrats chances of winning any new election at all ---- I really doubt there shall be any impact whatsoever.

The anti-Thaksin warriors for justice here seem to overrate Thaksins current importance and more importantly vastly underrate the depth of dislike for the Democrats in certain parts of the electorate. This dislike was strong before Thaksin became PM ---- it is no less strong now. Nothing to do with Thaksin.
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QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 16:57:12) *
QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif

Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.

-- The Nation 2009-10-06
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Sondhi-Elect...Pa-t304285.html

Thanks for your correction.
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QUOTE (Insight @ 2009-11-06 17:43:30) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 16:57:12) *
QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif


Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.

-- The Nation 2009-10-06

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Sondhi-Elect...Pa-t304285.html


Quite. The Democrats are a somewhat older party, currently leading the ruling coalition, and led by PM Abhisit. smile.gif

Which correction having now been made, I'd agree with coalminer that I wouldn't wish Sondhi in power, any more than the new economic-adviser to Cambodia. cool.gif
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post 2009-11-06 18:56:27
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QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 18:42:26) *
Quite. The Democrats are a somewhat older party, currently leading the ruling coalition, and led by PM Abhisit. smile.gif

Which correction having now been made, I'd agree with coalminer that I wouldn't wish Sondhi in power, any more than the new economic-adviser to Cambodia. cool.gif


Let's have a cold beer on that.

No one with a little bit of brains should let Thaksin or Sondji ever be in power.

But I fear that that is only wishful thinking .....
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QUOTE (swindonabroad @ 2009-11-05 13:50:53) *
I can't work out which is funnier/sadder.

The comical political situation here which lunches from ridiculous to farcical and then over to a full out school boy 'who can pi$$ the highest' contest.

OR

The vitriol, bile and mis-guided passion coming from a load of foreigners here on this forum who have no say in Thai politics, are guests in this country and cannot effect any change



like this a lot. could not say it better.
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Khmer King Sihamuni should have stay out of this. But instead, he endorsed the appointment of TS to PM advisory post.
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Lets not forget most Isarn folk have deep set roots from khamer blood lines.

They will not be upset by this move.

Maybe he is looking for some of Newin voodoo spells.

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QUOTE (fullcave @ 2009-11-06 19:22:12) *
The Thai Chinese are an overseas Chinese community who live in Thailand.

Thai Chinese are Thai Chinese, aka Sino-Thai. The descriptive ID term "overseas' Chinese is used by the People's Republic of China government to assert (erroneously) that all Chinese of the Chinese diaspora are first and foremost People's Republic of China Chinese. The Communist Party of China in the PRC government deludes itself to think this.

Hyphenated Chinese such as Sino-Thai, Fillipino-Chinese, Chinese-American accurately state the identiy and loyalty of the Chinese diaspora which in great numbers are loyal to their new homeland and which detest the PRC. Sino Thais for instance are Thai.

Don't get caught up in the PRC and its Orwellian fantasyland terminologies. Chinese textbooks for instance turn Orwell on his head to make the guy anti-British and anti-USA. (Big Brother does exactly that kind of perversion, doesn't he?)

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QUOTE (Insight @ 2009-11-06 18:43:30) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 16:57:12) *
QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif


Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.


-- The Nation 2009-10-06

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Sondhi-Elect...Pa-t304285.html


....



i am sure coalminer knows the Democrat Party and wasn't talking about them but the recently founded party NNP the political arm of the People Alliance of Democracy

maybe you don't know the People Alliance of Democracy and Sondhi L. otherwise you would have recognise that there is actually nothing so wrong that is it worth to start a heckler attack. for the future you don't need to try to be wise if to the newly founded PAD party is refered as Sondhis creation, his Democratic Party. it is perfectly clear what party was meant.
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QUOTE (Insight @ 2009-11-06 18:43:30) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 16:57:12) *
QUOTE (Ricardo @ 2009-11-06 15:02:37) *
QUOTE (coalminer @ 2009-11-06 09:38:34) *
That would restrict Sondhi and hos recently created Democratic Party from being a candidate as well.

The Democratic Party was created only recently, and by Sondhi, are you sure of that ? cool.gif


Sondhi elected leader of New Politics Party

BANGKOK: -- Media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul on Tuesday won a non-contested race to become the leader of the New Politics Party.

The installation of Sondhi's leadership took place at the first party convention following the completion of preliminary registration procedures.

Top contenders for party leadership, including interim leader Somsak Kosaisuk, withdrew their respective nominations to pave way for Sondhi's victory.


-- The Nation 2009-10-06



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Thank you for adding clarity to this muddled misstatement.
I appreciate you diligence in keeping things factual.
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QUOTE (Rumfoord @ 2009-11-06 21:51:22) *
i am sure coalminer knows the Democrat Party and wasn't talking about them but the recently founded party NNP the political arm of the People Alliance of Democracy

maybe you don't know the People Alliance of Democracy and Sondhi L. otherwise you would have recognise that there is actually nothing so wrong that is it worth to start a heckler attack. for the future you don't need to try to be wise if to the newly founded PAD party is refered as Sondhis creation, his Democratic Party. it is perfectly clear what party was meant.



Heckler attack laugh.gif

There's nothing irrational about my posting style. Perhaps you should review your own however.
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QUOTE (Insight @ 2009-11-07 00:10:09) *
QUOTE (Rumfoord @ 2009-11-06 21:51:22) *
i am sure coalminer knows the Democrat Party and wasn't talking about them but the recently founded party NNP the political arm of the People Alliance of Democracy

maybe you don't know the People Alliance of Democracy and Sondhi L. otherwise you would have recognise that there is actually nothing so wrong that is it worth to start a heckler attack. for the future you don't need to try to be wise if to the newly founded PAD party is refered as Sondhis creation, his Democratic Party. it is perfectly clear what party was meant.



Heckler attack laugh.gif

There's nothing irrational about my posting style. Perhaps you should review your own however.


What's so unclear or irrational? Be done with this and let's move on.

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QUOTE (Insight @ 2009-11-07 00:10:09) *
QUOTE (Rumfoord @ 2009-11-06 21:51:22) *
i am sure coalminer knows the Democrat Party and wasn't talking about them but the recently founded party NNP the political arm of the People Alliance of Democracy

maybe you don't know the People Alliance of Democracy and Sondhi L. otherwise you would have recognise that there is actually nothing so wrong that is it worth to start a heckler attack. for the future you don't need to try to be wise if to the newly founded PAD party is refered as Sondhis creation, his Democratic Party. it is perfectly clear what party was meant.



Heckler attack laugh.gif

There's nothing irrational about my posting style. Perhaps you should review your own however.



you violate forum rule #29) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

and added nothing more than only ".... " as comment.

i don't see this as a very rational posting style.
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QUOTE (Asa @ 2009-11-06 09:33:15) *
Just before the ASEAN Sumit, Khmer PM said he would let TS stay in Cambodia, for extradiction treaty does not cover political conviction. He may even offer an adviser to PM position to TS. Abhisit then threated Khmer PM to concentrate only on the summit, or face the consequence of Thailand pull out its assistance to Cambodia if he would bring TS case up to the public again. Hun Sen did keep quiet, and Thai PM thinked he had won. Then early this week, the Khmer King Sihamuni endorsed the appointment of TS to PM advisory post. Abhisit is enraged. Firt he said it will not effect the two countries relation. Dr. Panithan saying the same, but added there would be some complication in the relation. A few hours later, Abhisit order teh Thai Ambasador pull out, and a review to all agreement/ treaties it has with Cambodia. My points is it is true to many that TS case is a political motivate, so my dear Abhisit had made a wrong move threatening Khmer PM. And it blown up out of proportion to pull back the ambassodor for TS appointment. Now for me, Abisit is as a child throwing tantrum, and TS would be viewed as a traitor by many Thai if he accept the post. Two Thais loss their status que, one Khmer PM is able to rid dependency to neighbour country, make himself a braveheart David who breaks the giant. sad.gif


What even makes you think that it was Abhisit that actually decided that these actions were the right steps to take. The words came out of his mouth, but in many ways, I believe he would probably want actions to be different than these.

I don't think there is anything to be seen that Abhisit is a child throwing a tantrum. This is just heavy handed diplomacy and whilst he is PM, I think that there are more than a few having their fingers in formulating policy behind closed doors. In all honesty, when was the last time that Cambodia got to dictate anything to Thailand, and there is no way that some of the older players were going to take this slight lying down.
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QUOTE (Thai at Heart @ 2009-11-07 02:09:53) *
QUOTE (Asa @ 2009-11-06 09:33:15) *
Just before the ASEAN Sumit, Khmer PM said he would let TS stay in Cambodia, for extradiction treaty does not cover political conviction. He may even offer an adviser to PM position to TS. Abhisit then threated Khmer PM to concentrate only on the summit, or face the consequence of Thailand pull out its assistance to Cambodia if he would bring TS case up to the public again. Hun Sen did keep quiet, and Thai PM thinked he had won. Then early this week, the Khmer King Sihamuni endorsed the appointment of TS to PM advisory post. Abhisit is enraged. Firt he said it will not effect the two countries relation. Dr. Panithan saying the same, but added there would be some complication in the relation. A few hours later, Abhisit order teh Thai Ambasador pull out, and a review to all agreement/ treaties it has with Cambodia. My points is it is true to many that TS case is a political motivate, so my dear Abhisit had made a wrong move threatening Khmer PM. And it blown up out of proportion to pull back the ambassodor for TS appointment. Now for me, Abisit is as a child throwing tantrum, and TS would be viewed as a traitor by many Thai if he accept the post. Two Thais loss their status que, one Khmer PM is able to rid dependency to neighbour country, make himself a braveheart David who breaks the giant. sad.gif


What even makes you think that it was Abhisit that actually decided that these actions were the right steps to take. The words came out of his mouth, but in many ways, I believe he would probably want actions to be different than these.

I don't think there is anything to be seen that Abhisit is a child throwing a tantrum. This is just heavy handed diplomacy and whilst he is PM, I think that there are more than a few having their fingers in formulating policy behind closed doors. In all honesty, when was the last time that Cambodia got to dictate anything to Thailand, and there is no way that some of the older players were going to take this slight lying down.

I'm sure Abhisit and his sponsors in the Old Guard fully recongnize the threat Thaksin would pose to Thailand were he to relocate to Cambodia. I mean, think about it man! A former PM fugitive convicted of crimes, determined to seize control of Thailand for his own nefarious purposes
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QUOTE (Rumfoord @ 2009-11-07 00:56:02) *
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i am sure coalminer knows the Democrat Party and wasn't talking about them but the recently founded party NNP the political arm of the People Alliance of Democracy

maybe you don't know the People Alliance of Democracy and Sondhi L. otherwise you would have recognise that there is actually nothing so wrong that is it worth to start a heckler attack. for the future you don't need to try to be wise if to the newly founded PAD party is refered as Sondhis creation, his Democratic Party. it is perfectly clear what party was meant.



Heckler attack laugh.gif

There's nothing irrational about my posting style. Perhaps you should review your own however.



you violate forum rule #29) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

and added nothing more than only ".... " as comment.

i don't see this as a very rational posting style.


Would love to know if you're actually convincing anybody.
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