george Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 The son of Norwegian diplomat arrested in Thailand BANGKOK: -- The son of a top ranking Norwegian diplomat has been arrrested in Thailand for allegedly having insulted a princess of the country's Royal Family. He may now face a long prison term. To insult a member of the Royal Family is considered a major offence in Thailand The man, in his 30s, is also charged with breaking the immigration laws, when he travelled to Thailand without the proper travel documents, VG writes. He is not allowed to leave Thailand until his case has been brought before the court, according to the paper. --NRK, Norway 2006-02-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opothai Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 whoops maybe diplomacy doesn't run in the family still we'll have to see how good daddy is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavarich Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 what did he do or say or write that would get him sent to the slammer. Can anyone say in a respectful manner what the lout did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerata Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Diplomat's son jailed for offending Thai royalty The adult son of a Norwegian diplomat faces a lengthy term in a Thai prison, after being charged for speaking negatively about the Thai royal family and violating visa rules. It's strictly forbidden to criticize the royals in Thailand. "We Thais have deep respect for the royal family," Thailand's ambassador to Norway, Chitriya Pinthong, told newspaper VG on Tuesday. The ambassador noted that a chapter of the Thai penal code regulates the prohibition against making derogatory remarks about Thailand's head of state or members of the royal family. Thailand's ambassador declined to comment further on the case, because it's now under the jurisdiction of the Thai court system. A spokeswoman for the Norwegian Foreign Ministry was also reluctant to speak about the case, saying it was "a consular matter, on which we don't want to comment." Norway's embassy in Bangkok confirmed that it had been involved in the case, but wouldn't offer details. Arne Lundby of the embassy told VG that "in Thailand, you're breaking the law if you speak negatively about, or in another way offend, members of the royal family." VG reported that the alleged offense, according to Thai authorities, occurred at a gathering in Thailand last spring, at which both the diplomat's son and a Thai princess were present. The nature of the offense wasn't revealed. The Norwegian man was charged last year and taken into custody, but he was released from jail after posting bail. He no longer has a diplomatic passport and his travel documents have been seized, as he's been prohibited from leaving the country while his court case is pending. His diplomat father wasn't identified, but he reportedly is not attached to the Norwegian embassy in Bangkok. Aftenposten English Web Desk Nina Berglund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 What a <deleted>!!! (one of the few things that will cause a person grief in thailand - and lad did easily) No sympathy - deport/ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuchok Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I thought HRH said that the Lese Majeste law should not be used. Remember when Taksin droped a case because of what HRH said, or have I got it wrong?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzap Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 what did he do or say or write that would get him sent to the slammer. Can anyone say in a respectful manner what the lout did We're not supposed to mention any of this here, respectful manner or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marquess Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I wonder how long it will be before this thread ends up being closed down, in the interests of self censorship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 What a <deleted>!!! (one of the few things that will cause a person grief in thailand - and lad did easily) No sympathy - deport/ban. This proves what a double standard lil' bastard you are.... On the topic of "muslims protesting against cartoons" you stated words to the effect that it is muslims being too sensitive over nothing yet when the shoe is on the other foot - its a case of ban/ deport him? Just shows what a bigoted, racist, inconsistent little pile of steaming poo you are! Well you've identified yourself as a mental midget - the law is clear in THAILAND, go read it and perhaps we can have a rationale conversation, doubtful, but worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Please feel free to discuss the Lese Majeste case, but please be informed that we will monitor hard moderate this topic. Thanks, please read the Forum Guidelines: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules Offenders will be banned immediately, no exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra01 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I think Toxin considers himself royalty as well, he throws law suits around at anyone that speaks negatively about him. If what chuchok says is true, and it rings a bell in my head as well, then I wouldn't be surprised if HRH steps in to finish it by a quiet deportation or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paraglider Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 It would be also nice to know what exactly the Person said. I'm pretty sure to remember that King Bhumiphol said in his birthday speech,thats it is allowed to criticize the King. So it would be interresting,if he critiziced or realy insulted a member of the royal family. But this behavior is in my opinion anyway absolute anoying and very very poor-particular for a probably well educated son of a diplomat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Conners Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveromagnino Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 It would be also nice to know what exactly the Person said.I'm pretty sure to remember that King Bhumiphol said in his birthday speech,thats it is allowed to criticize the King. So it would be interresting,if he critiziced or realy insulted a member of the royal family. But this behavior is in my opinion anyway absolute anoying and very very poor-particular for a probably well educated son of a diplomat. The King said that what he does is not beyond reproach, and it is not fair that people feel they cannot comment on his actions. It was implied IMHO specifically related to what the King chooses to do. I love the King, and IMHO he is absolutely awesome in a way I can not even really comprehend. The King did not comment on the royal family in general. If it was a personal insult that is another matter. Let's get this clear, some things within Thailand have repercusions. This is one of them, as our Norwegian may have found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Burr Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 (edited) Am surprised the Brits commenting on this thread so easily forget the existance and purpose of the Magna Carta. I also hope that these same members do not critisise any other royal families of the world. You wouldn't want to be hypocrites now, would you? Edited February 21, 2006 by Sir Burr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 (edited) Not a matter of criticism, perhaps everyone in the world should be a faire target. However this isn't the case in Thailand and I deeply respect HRH and the royal family. They are a clear example of what is good in Thailand and worthy of emulation without reproach. Simply stated criticism of the Royal Family is against the law and there are repercussions to doing so as the Norse lad found out. Edited February 21, 2006 by britmaveric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveromagnino Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Am surprised the Brits commenting on this thread so easily forget the existance and purpose of the Magna Carta.I also hope that these same members do not critisise any other royal families of the world. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrites now, would you? not a Brit, I vaguely remember the Magna Carta, what exactly does it state? Why would choosing to criticise one family and not another be hypocritical out of interest (not that i do...but if i did?) not sure I know too many other royal families.... Well, There is the Maori Queen. And Elizabeth.. Is there be more dan dis ler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierra01 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 (edited) So HRH said it's ok to criticise him, the more I learn about him the more respect I have. But there is a big difference in criticism (constructive) and insults, for insulting the royal family he deserves all he gets. Edited February 21, 2006 by sierra01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveromagnino Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 So HRH said it's ok to criticise him, the more I learn about him the more respect I have. But there is a big difference in criticism (constructive) and insults, for insulting the royal family he deserves all he gets. If I recall correctly he says it is a hardship because other people have people to criticise them, but he only has his mother to criticise him, and his mother has passed away. how can be develop or how can he know when he is wrong if people are too scared to criticise him? Therefore, people should be willing to criticise him, so he knows how to walk the right path. Of course, as always, he is so smart and these words were very very carefully chosen, he is of course talking about himself, but also someone else as well. Whether the other person sitting in the front row with his wife, was listening is another matter IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Very disrespectful from the Norwegian lad. Consequence that should be given to this individual: deportation + fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lingyai Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Very disrespectful from the Norwegian lad. Consequence that should be given to this individual: deportation + fine. Very disrespectful? You have no idea what the guy said. niether do I or anybody here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Think back to Leathal Weapon II. Now in your best South African accents lets all say "Your dip-lo-matic immunity 'as bin rivoked" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StateSix Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Very disrespectful from the Norwegian lad. Consequence that should be given to this individual: deportation + fine. Very disrespectful? You have no idea what the guy said. niether do I or anybody here. A colleague of mine knows this guy pretty well. Without going into too much detail, from the story he told me it appears that this guy did not realise it was the princess and was abusing some police and security personnel when she walked in. He then had a bit of a go at her. I have met this guy before and he is an absolute muppett. Usually p*ssed on Soi Cowboy acting like the big I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Very disrespectful from the Norwegian lad. Consequence that should be given to this individual: deportation + fine. Very disrespectful? You have no idea what the guy said. niether do I or anybody here. Yes, it is disrespectful. Or what is it, delightful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Very disrespectful from the Norwegian lad. Consequence that should be given to this individual: deportation + fine. Very disrespectful? You have no idea what the guy said. niether do I or anybody here. A colleague of mine knows this guy pretty well. Without going into too much detail, from the story he told me it appears that this guy did not realise it was the princess and was abusing some police and security personnel when she walked in. He then had a bit of a go at her. I have met this guy before and he is an absolute muppett. Usually p*ssed on Soi Cowboy acting like the big I am. Good there are consequences to being a <deleted>, regardless of who it might be should act civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarragona Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 In Thailand, Lese Majeste has most commonly been used as a pretext to deal with political opponents and HRH has issued pardons to sort things out. I also seem to remember reading that the penalties have been made harsher in relatively recent times. I think these are the cases HRH wishes to avoid. If the young man was indeed insulting he deserves whatever he gets, though I doubt he'll do any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog412 Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 last spring, no longer has diplomatic immunity, immigration violation? 2006? hate bush? pls. be respectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) The man, in his 30s, is also charged with breaking the immigration laws, when he travelled to Thailand without the proper travel documents, VG writes. So, how did he get in, if he did not have a valid passport? I feel sure Norwegians are on the 30 days on arrival list. It should be noted that the next paragraph of the Thai Penal code also applies the same penalties to those who insult other Royal Families. Edited February 23, 2006 by astral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainmal Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 We should know what he exactly said before we start critizing the poor guy. Can anybody get a news article that states what he exactly said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 We should know what he exactly said before we start critizing the poor guy. Can anybody get a news article that states what he exactly said. That won't help because it wont be printed what he actually said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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