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[cashe]

it is sad that some people here don't like PH. I understand that. PH is a good place actually (not because i am a filipino) just that most of us filipinos are thinking more of our own pockets than our own well being. Filipinos goes abroad to make a better life not just for themselves but also for the love ones they left behind. Not all filipinos are bad. if you happen to be with some filipinos who want to go back to be a big shot and screw everything that moves then you're in the wrong crowd of filipinos. yes we are jealous freaks but its because we are selfish when it comes to our man. well, at least not to the point where we have to put him on a leash .

please don't judge my whole country just because you had one time bad experience in one place. yes PH is in bad situation right now, i am not denying it but its not all that bad. try going to palawan, mindoro, cebu, batangas, baguio and other islands. about the food, well we all have different taste buds.

if PH's economy is same as TH or Sing, no filipino will ever leave PH just for money. ahhhm,... thats just me. maybe i should put up a traveling agency and show you guys around (with a shotgun on one hand, bomb detector on the other and with 10 bodyguards ).

[ThaiGoon]

I don't wanna put the Philipines down any further, but I just want to correct something that farang prince stated as a fact.
From the CIA world factbook: Thailand's GDP - per capita is $9,100 (2006 est.) while the Philipines is $5,000 (2006 est.). So I'm not sure what CIA factbook farang prince was looking at....

[thai_narak]

cashe, on 2007-02-08 12:55:34, said:

it is sad that some people here don't like PH. I understand that. PH is a good place actually (not because i am a filipino) just that most of us filipinos are thinking more of our own pockets than our own well being. Filipinos goes abroad to make a better life not just for themselves but also for the love ones they left behind. Not all filipinos are bad. if you happen to be with some filipinos who want to go back to be a big shot and screw everything that moves then you're in the wrong crowd of filipinos. yes we are jealous freaks but its because we are selfish when it comes to our man. well, at least not to the point where we have to put him on a leash .

please don't judge my whole country just because you had one time bad experience in one place. yes PH is in bad situation right now, i am not denying it but its not all that bad. try going to palawan, mindoro, cebu, batangas, baguio and other islands. about the food, well we all have different taste buds.

if PH's economy is same as TH or Sing, no filipino will ever leave PH just for money. ahhhm,... thats just me. maybe i should put up a traveling agency and show you guys around (with a shotgun on one hand, bomb detector on the other and with 10 bodyguards ).

that's lovely actually...

[qualtrough]

cashe, on 2007-02-08 11:55:34, said:

it is sad that some people here don't like PH. I understand that....

I just want to make it clear that despite my posting about the things in the Philippines that don't measure up to Thailand it doesn't mean I didn't like the country, nor does it mean I had any problems with the people, who on the whole were very friendly and nice to be with. I still keep in touch with some of the people I worked with there.

[clivemh]

I don't think other people who have not been there appreciate just how big PI is, I travelled by ship from Manilla to Mindanao it took over two and a half days, I flew back much better. I live in LOS, why ? Because I just feel safe here,yes I live in Pattaya, and like any city it has its fair share of crime,but if you are sensible you know your not going to be hurt. I don't have to lock my taxi cab door, unlike PI where it is compulsory, otherwise chances are... Also I agree with previous members about the scary guards on the entrances to public buildings bristling with guns. Here the only guns you see are the boys in brown. Each country has its fair share of fabulous scenery. As for language? Well I found when you moved away from the conurbations that English was spoken a lot less than you are lead to believe. (Tagalog rules)
Girls? well I crossed the bamboo curtain 10 yrs ago and they are all beautiful!
Also they drive on the right, so you have to look the other way, talking of transport, the cars are much older than in LOS, you very rarely see a quality car,usually patched up rust buckets (even the taxis).
I like PI but I love LOS.

[Ulysses G.]

cashe, on 2007-02-08 11:55:34, said:

Not all filipinos are bad. if you happen to be with some filipinos who want to go back to be a big shot and screw everything that moves then you're in the wrong crowd of filipinos.

Sorry, I don't mean that I don't like the Philipines - I DO. It is fun and most people are nice and the girls are feminine and BEAUTIFUL!
Sure my buddies want to be big shots, but people everywhere do. That is why people work so hard to be rich. It is just easier to be rich in certain places - if you are working over-seas - because you don't have too much competition.

[thai_narak]

PI is like south america of asia in both good and bad way... i like thailand it's unique.

[GracelessFawn]

tutsiwarrior, on 2007-02-07 02:25:41, said:

I don't like filipina women much...they keep comparing theirselves with other asian women and critisising...some filipina bint who I thought was a friend did this with my Thai wife and caused a problem...

and their food is for shit...wouldn't give it to pigs...

Tell your wife to (wisely) choose the Filipinos she hangs-out with then!

Edited by GracelessFawn, 2007-02-10 11:37:31.

[ThaiGoon]

[qualtrough]

GracelessFawn, on 2007-02-10 11:41:25, said:

mittheimp, on 2007-02-07 01:02:00, said:

Ricohoc, on 2007-02-07 00:55:51, said:

For those of you who have spent time in both places, how would you compare and contrast them?

Do you find more advantages/disadvantages in one over the other?

Thanks, guys!

in the Phillipines there is / are:

more poverty
more guns
more Americans
More Catholics
more islands
more Jeepneys
more English speakers

What's wrong with guns? I love guns! Heck, I even suck them!

Can she say that on Thai Visa??

[GracelessFawn]

qualtrough, on 2007-02-10 12:05:42, said:

Can she say that on Thai Visa??

It's a pun on gun, you know.

[qualtrough]

GracelessFawn, on 2007-02-10 12:08:36, said:

qualtrough, on 2007-02-10 12:05:42, said:

Can she say that on Thai Visa??

It's a pun on gun, you know.

Yes, a very subtle one indeed. Thanks for pointing that out!

[WaiWai]

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It's a pun on gun, you know.

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Yes, a very subtle one indeed. Thanks for pointing that out!

The sexual crudity doesn't bother me.

The flippancy about weapons, violence and suicide do. Highly insensitive and offensive, IMHO.

[qualtrough]

WaiWai, on 2007-02-10 12:52:04, said:

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It's a pun on gun, you know.

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Yes, a very subtle one indeed. Thanks for pointing that out!

The sexual crudity doesn't bother me.

The flippancy about weapons, violence and suicide do. Highly insensitive and offensive, IMHO.

Lots of other threads out there for those lacking a sense of humor and/or excessively prudish. On yer bike then!

Edited by qualtrough, 2007-02-10 13:06:36.

[WaiWai]

You might feel otherwise if someone close to you had died that way, qualtrough.

Nothing to do with a lack of sense of humour.

Edited by WaiWai, 2007-02-10 13:51:49.

[Francis Maube]

I lived in the Philippines in 89 & 90. Manila does not even compare with Bangkok, too much hassle for not enough benefits. Part of the country side can be very nice, cheap and enjoyable. Food is definitely a disaster. This country had a very bright prospect after WW2 but has gone down the drain since, a real shame. However they use to allow retiree to own their own piece of landand visa was not a problem, not sure if it is still going on.

[yabs]

I've recently moved from thailand to the Phils but for one main reason
the phils still hgas some good snorkelling and diving due to the fact it has fewer tourists
and what tourism there is is based around diving as opposed to thailands tourism model which is based around maximum commercialistaion with no regard for the environment.
If thailand looked after its beache and marine environment better and turned it back to the tropical paradise it once was then i would remain in thailand. This is all the Phils has thats better
so unless you are crazxy about swimming or diving on coral seas then give it a miss.
Main drawback is security
crime is a way of life in the big cities and the fact that even guards outside of 7/11's have pump action shotguns doesn't put you at ease. there must be a need for this. Terrorism is much more of an issue as well and kidnappings have frequently taken place
other issues are
firstly
Girls seem more crazy, true they speak english better but they seem even more of a head case than farang girls if thats possible. Plue due to their diet they are generally fatter than thais and have darker skin. I think Thai women are better looking
secondly
The food is just sh*te. Local diet seems to consist of fried fat and sloppy rice
no veg or good cuts of meat
whereas eating at a roadside eatery in thailand is a culinary delight eating at one in The Phils
is just plain torture.
thirdly
culture
are we in Asia or South America or even America?
due to spanish and american colonisation the culture really is messed up
instead of noodle soup sold at street corners we have hamburgers
instead of temples we have delapidated churches
fourthly
infrastructure
improving slightly but still abysmal
dirt roads in many places meaning dust is everywhere and power cuts are a way of life
fifthly
conveniences and ability to buy goods
shopping is way better in thailand which is starnge as the Phils has more malls than anywhere i've ever been but they hardly ever stock evrything i need or want
two examples
Shower gel is virtually unheard of
I also have a problem with my eyes whereby I need to wash them out with an eye bath
every day. lost mine nad wanted to buy another. The Filipinos have never heard of such a thing.
again very odd
all this makes me wonder why i moved but the answer is as i said in the diving and swimming
all in all the quality of life In thailand is far better

[jamman]

WaiWai, on 2007-02-10 13:52:04, said:

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It's a pun on gun, you know.

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Yes, a very subtle one indeed. Thanks for pointing that out!

The sexual crudity doesn't bother me.

The flippancy about weapons, violence and suicide do. Highly insensitive and offensive, IMHO.

I don't know what the emotion feels like, to be offended by someone speaking about a subject that I find troubling. If someone insulted me, I might feel offended, but I doubt I'd reply by calling the person highly insensitive and offensive. I'd either ignore or retort. If someone insulted someone I love, or disparaged a group, perhaps I'd do the same. But I can't imagine what it feels like for a whole uncomfortable subject to lead me to want to censor the speaker.

The fact that someone you loved died from guns - what does that have to do with someone else's right to speak bullcrap? Seems rather sensitive and easily offended of you, and worse, trying to politicize your own discomfort.

Edited by jamman, 2007-02-22 18:02:03.

[terry57]

have you ever been diving in the andaman sea off phuket?

i have never been diving in the phils, but the andamans is world class diving.

you have given up all the pleasures of thailand for scuba diving, and i'd consider that a very big sacrifice.

air fares are cheap to the phils so why did'nt you just live here and fly there when you want to dive?

only a question as its your life.

[junkofdavid2]

More pretty girls in Thailand
Food in the Philippines can be just as good as Thailand, but you'd have to pay more. The better the food you want, the more expensive a restaurant you go to in Manila; as simple as that!
(As opposed to Thailand where the cheaper the restaurant, the better the Thai food is!!!)
Average meal even for a poor person would be about 50 baht... compared to only 35 baht in Thailand.
People speak English, but you get ripped off by Taxi drivers just the same. So who cares!
Filipinos are generally harder working and (in my opinion) much more intellectually capable (resourceful, can think for themselves, and responsibilities can therefore be delegated). But that has it's downside... they sometimes think they know better than the boss and do their own thing, and can be a lot more insubordinate than Thais. Add that to the fact that they can be fierce, confrontational, and argumentative as well. That's okay when someone is right, but not when someone is clearly wrong!
In choosing a wife, Thais are better... hands down!

Edited by junkofdavid2, 2007-02-22 18:23:39.

[qualtrough]

yabs, on 2007-02-22 17:14:45, said:

I've recently moved from thailand to the Phils but for one main reason
the phils still hgas some good snorkelling and diving due to the fact it has fewer tourists
and what tourism there is is based around diving as opposed to thailands tourism model which is based around maximum commercialistaion with no regard for the environment.
If thailand looked after its beache and marine environment better and turned it back to the tropical paradise it once was then i would remain in thailand. This is all the Phils has thats better
so unless you are crazxy about swimming or diving on coral seas then give it a miss.
Main drawback is security
crime is a way of life in the big cities and the fact that even guards outside of 7/11's have pump action shotguns doesn't put you at ease. there must be a need for this. Terrorism is much more of an issue as well and kidnappings have frequently taken place
other issues are
firstly
Girls seem more crazy, true they speak english better but they seem even more of a head case than farang girls if thats possible. Plue due to their diet they are generally fatter than thais and have darker skin. I think Thai women are better looking
secondly
The food is just sh*te. Local diet seems to consist of fried fat and sloppy rice
no veg or good cuts of meat
whereas eating at a roadside eatery in thailand is a culinary delight eating at one in The Phils
is just plain torture.
thirdly
culture
are we in Asia or South America or even America?
due to spanish and american colonisation the culture really is messed up
instead of noodle soup sold at street corners we have hamburgers
instead of temples we have delapidated churches
fourthly
infrastructure
improving slightly but still abysmal
dirt roads in many places meaning dust is everywhere and power cuts are a way of life
fifthly
conveniences and ability to buy goods
shopping is way better in thailand which is starnge as the Phils has more malls than anywhere i've ever been but they hardly ever stock evrything i need or want
two examples
Shower gel is virtually unheard of
I also have a problem with my eyes whereby I need to wash them out with an eye bath
every day. lost mine nad wanted to buy another. The Filipinos have never heard of such a thing.
again very odd
all this makes me wonder why i moved but the answer is as i said in the diving and swimming
all in all the quality of life In thailand is far better

Pretty much sums up my experience. The eye wash bit reminds of one other negative. There are far fewer drugstores around, and the work to a different, annoying format. They are often crowded, and you have to wait around and jockey for a position at the counter for a pharmacist to fill your order. I much prefer the Thai system, where there might be 4 stores within a stone's throw of each other (if not right next door), and you can just walk up and get what you want.

In fairness to the Phillipines, at least in Manila, grocery stores stock much more Western food, if that is your thing, and at better prices than Bangok. All due to supply and demand. BTW, if you like Velveeta, corned beef, and saltine crackers you will be in heaven. Entire aisles are devoted to different brands of those products.

[SamuiJens]

qualtrough, on 2007-02-22 12:43:47, said:

yabs, on 2007-02-22 17:14:45, said:

I've recently moved from thailand to the Phils but for one main reason
the phils still hgas some good snorkelling and diving due to the fact it has fewer tourists
and what tourism there is is based around diving as opposed to thailands tourism model which is based around maximum commercialistaion with no regard for the environment.
If thailand looked after its beache and marine environment better and turned it back to the tropical paradise it once was then i would remain in thailand. This is all the Phils has thats better
so unless you are crazxy about swimming or diving on coral seas then give it a miss.
Main drawback is security
crime is a way of life in the big cities and the fact that even guards outside of 7/11's have pump action shotguns doesn't put you at ease. there must be a need for this. Terrorism is much more of an issue as well and kidnappings have frequently taken place
other issues are
firstly
Girls seem more crazy, true they speak english better but they seem even more of a head case than farang girls if thats possible. Plue due to their diet they are generally fatter than thais and have darker skin. I think Thai women are better looking
secondly
The food is just sh*te. Local diet seems to consist of fried fat and sloppy rice
no veg or good cuts of meat
whereas eating at a roadside eatery in thailand is a culinary delight eating at one in The Phils
is just plain torture.
thirdly
culture
are we in Asia or South America or even America?
due to spanish and american colonisation the culture really is messed up
instead of noodle soup sold at street corners we have hamburgers
instead of temples we have delapidated churches
fourthly
infrastructure
improving slightly but still abysmal
dirt roads in many places meaning dust is everywhere and power cuts are a way of life
fifthly
conveniences and ability to buy goods
shopping is way better in thailand which is starnge as the Phils has more malls than anywhere i've ever been but they hardly ever stock evrything i need or want
two examples
Shower gel is virtually unheard of
I also have a problem with my eyes whereby I need to wash them out with an eye bath
every day. lost mine nad wanted to buy another. The Filipinos have never heard of such a thing.
again very odd
all this makes me wonder why i moved but the answer is as i said in the diving and swimming
all in all the quality of life In thailand is far better

Pretty much sums up my experience. The eye wash bit reminds of one other negative. There are far fewer drugstores around, and the work to a different, annoying format. They are often crowded, and you have to wait around and jockey for a position at the counter for a pharmacist to fill your order. I much prefer the Thai system, where there might be 4 stores within a stone's throw of each other (if not right next door), and you can just walk up and get what you want.

In fairness to the Phillipines, at least in Manila, grocery stores stock much more Western food, if that is your thing, and at better prices than Bangok. All due to supply and demand. BTW, if you like Velveeta, corned beef, and saltine crackers you will be in heaven. Entire aisles are devoted to different brands of those products.

Going south to i.e Palawan is a great island, not ruined by the pollution as the islands of LOS and the "underworld"(sea) is clear and a divers delight, and you can always make your own food, my problem is with Western Union taking 7%extra for Bills or creidt cards. Else a some beautiful Isles.

[yabs]

Teery thats what I did for a few years

but I finally found that there were few places I wanted to go in thailand

bangkok is a polluted dump

pattaya is the same

and all the beaches have been ruined

Chiamg mai is ok but even that is polluted

I still enjoy many location s in the Phils

it just isn't as convenient

but thats why there are fewer tourists there

I just really had enough of thailand with all the package tourists and the thais

blatant disregard to the marine environment and its aggressive intent in turning every beach and island into Benidorm

not my thing

sure the food is great, the girls look good and you can get everythiung you want

but apart from that it holds no other interest for me

I was just born at the wrong time i guess and or discovered it too late

thailand 10 or 12 years agoi must have been perfect but its just too commercial now

[jamman]

yabs, on 2007-02-22 20:56:45, said:

Teery thats what I did for a few years

but I finally found that there were few places I wanted to go in thailand

bangkok is a polluted dump

pattaya is the same

and all the beaches have been ruined

Chiamg mai is ok but even that is polluted

I still enjoy many location s in the Phils

it just isn't as convenient

but thats why there are fewer tourists there

I just really had enough of thailand with all the package tourists and the thais

blatant disregard to the marine environment and its aggressive intent in turning every beach and island into Benidorm

not my thing

sure the food is great, the girls look good and you can get everythiung you want

but apart from that it holds no other interest for me

I was just born at the wrong time i guess and or discovered it too late

thailand 10 or 12 years agoi must have been perfect but its just too commercial now

Ya, I'm bothered by pollution also, and like a place where vehicle noise isn't the cost of being outdoors. There are some smallish cool diving resort towns in the Philippines that are inexpensive and beautiful and not crowded. I lived in one off and on for a year. Not everyone wants such an isolated lifestyle, but I thought it great - waking up to go snorkeling amongst the ocean garden of wonder, do some work on the internet, then hang out in the pubs and meet new tourists, maybe go to the disco, and of course my girlfriend was always entertaining. A great lifestyle, I thought.

[yabs]

Jamman
where was that if you don't mind me asking?
yes the Phils has some nice spots but so does Indo and Malaysia
For the average expat I'm sure thailand fits the bill much more than the Phils thats for sure
but we are all different