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Posted 2007-02-27 14:16:25
 stiggy, on 2007-02-27 15:00:44, said:
From the article
"Despite multi-million dollar advertising campaigns aimed at promoting Thailand as Asia's most attractive holiday destination, violent attacks against foreigners have increased sharply in Pattaya, Phuket and other popular resort areas throughout Thailand."
If its widely reported like this around the world it's not good for the tourist industry and the many ordinary law abiding Thai's who earn their living from it which would be a great pity.
If you also read their "Related Stories" while certainly sensationalist does not add to Thailands image.
I also expect it from the shitty Thai press both Thai langiage and English but the pictures of the dead girls all over must also be traumatic for their friends and families.
Edited by Prakanong, 2007-02-27 14:40:36.
Posted 2007-02-27 15:05:30
The "Justification" of showing the pics from one Thai News Editor
I particularly like the bit, "We have more gruesome pictures but went as far as we dared"
Really - I just hope these low life excuses for the profession of journalism never have pictures of their loved ones splashed all over the world in a similar state and if they do I hope there is not one word of complaint
"OUR RATIONALE FOR SHOWING CANDID PHOTOS OF SLAIN RUSSIAN FEMALE TOURISTS:
We at Pattaya Daily News have recently been criticized for daring to tell the truth about the recent gunning down of two Russian tourists on Jomtien Beach. Commentators from all over the world have slated us for showing photos which are too blatant, but in our defence we have to say that, in our opinion, this is the only way that the Powers That Be will be shamed into doing something positive about the currently high rate of crime in Pattaya, especially as regards tourists, who all too often are seen as easy targets.
This year, Russians have figured prominently among tourist victims. This is largely because few other nationalities are coming here in post coup-Thailand. After a previous case of assault on Russian tourists, the authorities promised to bring in reinforcements from the Thai marines and other local police forces to patrol the beaches, especially, yet to our knowledge this has just been empty posturing. There has been no apparent bolstering of the security forces.
It is partially because we wish the world to know how bad the state of affairs is here in Pattaya. We should also say that we are not alone is displaying lurid photographs of slayings, gruesome road accidents etc., all the Thai newspapers do it as a matter of course. Yet, it is because we have a global reach that our online newspaper has been accessed by all and sundry all over the world, (not least from Russia) and the case has roused such controversy!
It is also significant that all the photos of the two victims were taken by our staff photographers in the presence of the local police, who raised no objection to us so doing. We actually have far more gruesome photos which we chose not to publicise. We went as far as we dared.
We will rest our case at this point. No doubt further controversy will be aroused, but we wish to reiterate that the prime reason for showing these candid pictures was to persuade the authorities to get their act together, put their promises into action and actually do something positive to make Thailand a safe destination for tourists and residents alike.
Warina Punyawan
The Editor
Email: the_editor@pattayadailynews.com"
Posted 2007-02-27 15:18:51
stiggy, on 2007-02-27 14:00:44, said:
Having read all through this sad story, I think the people who run Thai visa should be ashamed of themselves for not silencing all the talk of these poor girls being called to be polite "working girls" on hearsay only. Those posts should have been silenced straight away.
Shame on you, and the idiots that wrote so much crap about them, when people are silenced for lesser things.
My opinion may be worthless to you, and this site can be very infomative, but spoiled by total morons, who have nothing better to do than pull people to pieces or try to get the last word in on every subject.
I will read with interest the outcome of these tragic killings, but stop the slander please !!!
Posted 2007-02-27 15:46:30
as we all know that MONEY is the only important thing here it is a shame to offer such a small amount of 100,000,-Baht (3000.-USD) for hints on the murderers.
Tourism industrie make millions of baht every day, billions of bath floating every year to the country out of tourism. As sooner they offer more money as sooner they are able to catch these
pricks wich shoot the poor girls.
Higher the amount to a minumum of 500k, a million is even better and some people for sure will talk.
Its the point now where Pattaya and all the other tourist centers in Thailand have to loose much more than some thousand bath...................let us tell to the authorities IT IS ENOUGH ! if u want our money in future you have to do something to make life and hollidays in Thailand more safe please. 
Posted 2007-02-27 15:47:44
Briggsy, on 2007-02-27 08:38:46, said: Thai police - what a bunch of incompetent, morally bankrupt pricks.
can't expect anything different with their current selection / qualification procedure? 
Posted 2007-02-27 16:00:41
Thehedonist, on 2007-02-27 08:18:51, said: stiggy, on 2007-02-27 14:00:44, said:
Having read all through this sad story, I think the people who run Thai visa should be ashamed of themselves for not silencing all the talk of these poor girls being called to be polite "working girls" on hearsay only. Those posts should have been silenced straight away.
Shame on you, and the idiots that wrote so much crap about them, when people are silenced for lesser things.
My opinion may be worthless to you, and this site can be very infomative, but spoiled by total morons, who have nothing better to do than pull people to pieces or try to get the last word in on every subject.
I will read with interest the outcome of these tragic killings, but stop the slander please !!!
I agree with your comment,as you say many threads closed for lesser reasons
Posted 2007-02-27 16:23:48
moskito, on 2007-02-27 15:46:30, said: as we all know that MONEY is the only important thing here it is a shame to offer such a small amount of 100,000,-Baht (3000.-USD) for hints on the murderers.
Please think about it 100,000 baht reward says it all.
Posted 2007-02-27 16:24:08
Pattayaman, on 2007-02-27 17:00:41, said: Thehedonist, on 2007-02-27 08:18:51, said: stiggy, on 2007-02-27 14:00:44, said:
Having read all through this sad story, I think the people who run Thai visa should be ashamed of themselves for not silencing all the talk of these poor girls being called to be polite "working girls" on hearsay only. Those posts should have been silenced straight away.
Shame on you, and the idiots that wrote so much crap about them, when people are silenced for lesser things.
My opinion may be worthless to you, and this site can be very infomative, but spoiled by total morons, who have nothing better to do than pull people to pieces or try to get the last word in on every subject.
I will read with interest the outcome of these tragic killings, but stop the slander please !!!
I agree with your comment,as you say many threads closed for lesser reasons
I do not think the thread should have been shut down for all its faults as it is of great interest.
A bit more strong moderation as we have seen in other threads to limit wild speculation and the more slanderous aspersions on these girls characters may have helped but we can not discuss moderation issues which I fully understand the reasoning behind
Posted 2007-02-27 16:37:10
I'm glad they showed the photo - Thai Rath did too.
LOOK at it! Not for some sicko reason....but to see how UNLIKELY it is that they were killed there in those beach chairs!
Look at the head gently resting on the other woman's shoulder. Look at the legs in a "comfy" position - like sleeping. It's pure nonesense.
If it wasn't for that photo, we would never have known the most likely scenario that this occured somewhere else and then a staged 5am "shooting" (that no one saw) happened. A picture tells a thousand words folks. Interesting how the police still say they were killed in their beach chairs...Now why is that? And aren't those boots a little like police/army boots?
Never mind the fact the police found five 9mm shells but the girsl were shot TEN times. Bollocks.
Posted 2007-02-27 16:41:46
thaigene2, on 2007-02-27 17:37:10, said: I'm glad they showed the photo - Thai Rath did too.
LOOK at it! Not for some sicko reason....but to see how UNLIKELY it is that they were killed there in those beach chairs!
Look at the head gently resting on the other woman's shoulder. Look at the legs in a "comfy" position - like sleeping. It's pure nonesense.
If it wasn't for that photo, we would never have known the most likely scenario that this occured somewhere else and then a staged 5am "shooting" (that no one saw) happened. A picture tells a thousand words folks. Interesting how the police still say they were killed in their beach chairs...Now why is that? And aren't those boots a little like police/army boots?
Never mind the fact the police found five 9mm shells but the girsl were shot TEN times. Bollocks.
Its deffo Area 51 material is it not???????
Just who is under that bed?
Posted 2007-02-27 16:42:58
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Posted 2007-02-27 16:51:44
Prakanong, on 2007-02-27 16:41:46, said: thaigene2, on 2007-02-27 17:37:10, said: I'm glad they showed the photo - Thai Rath did too.
LOOK at it! Not for some sicko reason....but to see how UNLIKELY it is that they were killed there in those beach chairs!
Look at the head gently resting on the other woman's shoulder. Look at the legs in a "comfy" position - like sleeping. It's pure nonesense.
If it wasn't for that photo, we would never have known the most likely scenario that this occured somewhere else and then a staged 5am "shooting" (that no one saw) happened. A picture tells a thousand words folks. Interesting how the police still say they were killed in their beach chairs...Now why is that? And aren't those boots a little like police/army boots?
Never mind the fact the police found five 9mm shells but the girsl were shot TEN times. Bollocks.
Its deffo Area 51 material is it not???????
Just who is under that bed?
You can take the p+ss as much as you like mate...I don't know who killed them or why - I'm sorry for them and their families. But I would bet you a sizeable sum that they weren't killed in those beach chairs in that spot. Again - look at the photo.
Posted 2007-02-27 16:54:25
Just watched the local Thai News where they said that the police are now seeking a male thai tour guide who had accompanied the 2 women to several nightspots on several evenings and has since gone to ground.
Posted 2007-02-27 16:57:14
thaigene2, on 2007-02-27 09:37:10, said: I'm glad they showed the photo - Thai Rath did too.
LOOK at it! Not for some sicko reason....but to see how UNLIKELY it is that they were killed there in those beach chairs!
Look at the head gently resting on the other woman's shoulder. Look at the legs in a "comfy" position - like sleeping. It's pure nonesense.
If it wasn't for that photo, we would never have known the most likely scenario that this occured somewhere else and then a staged 5am "shooting" (that no one saw) happened. A picture tells a thousand words folks. Interesting how the police still say they were killed in their beach chairs...Now why is that? And aren't those boots a little like police/army boots?
Never mind the fact the police found five 9mm shells but the girsl were shot TEN times. Bollocks.
I guess the witnesses that seen them walk out of their hotel not so long before the murder and them buying
stuff from a store just prior to the murders was also staged. Get a grip and read all the information that is available on this case. Fact is if it is not a shooting then it is robbery and gang beatings on a daily bases in Pattaya. Crime is the norm now days and many times against foreigners who are the life support of the city
known for it's sin.
No longer is it a safe place for travelers unless you are in a group and being foreigner puts you as a good target if you are seperate from a crowd.
Posted 2007-02-27 17:08:40
[quote name='AA1' post='1166228' date='2007-02-27 11:43:16'][quote name='hammered' post='1166084' date='2007-02-27 10:22:04'][quote name='Prakanong' post='1166041' date='2007-02-27 09:53:55'][quote name='thai_narak' post='1166031' date='2007-02-27 10:49:05'][quote name='bino' post='1165979' date='2007-02-27 10:09:32']Regardless of who the victims were or what they did, they surely didn't deserve to be executed as they were.
I can't believe that this topic has just surpassed 600 posts, and most of them are discussing an unfair / unproven labelling of these women.
The people that I feel the most for are the friends, family and public in Russia. The Thaivisa website ranks highly in Google, and anyone who does any kind of search on this subject - russian murders pattaya, Liubov Svirkova, etc - is getting this thread in their first page of results. (Particularily on google.ru).
It must be awful for their families and friends in Russia who are trying to find facts about their loved ones and are getting this thread full of speculation labelling these ladies as sex workers. Gotta be heartbreaking for them.[/quote]
i agree...
for all the relatives and friends of the late tatiana and livbov who may happen to visit this thread, our condolences to you all... and please forgive us and ignore the pricks who have been writing non-sense in this thread about the two innocent souls.
may they rest in peace...
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Well said and I totally agree.
I can just imagine what would be written about my own 27 year old sister if something tragic like this happend on her visit to Thailand - it would be awuful reading I bet
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agreed.
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I read this site as an English friend of mine is thinking of moving to Thailand and the Jomtien area is one of the areas he was looking at. I have shown him some of your letters on what the Pattaya are is now like and recommended he cross that area off his list.
I have, however, been horrified at some of the so-called 'intelligent' comments made by many writers.
Here were 2 young girls - their nationality is irrelavent - who were on a 2 weeks holiday in Thailand who were shot dead on the beach.
To my knowledge:-
There is NO evidence that they wished to overstay (unlike many farange men here).
There is NO evidence that they were involved in any illegal activity.
So until any evidence to the contrary, they were here to enjoy a holiday.
They may have enjoyed a drink or 2 but don't most of us when on holiday.
They may have had a holiday romance. So what. I don't know and it is NONE of my business.
I beleive in "People are innocent UNTIL proven guilty".
I am delighted that all through there are a few people who stand up and regret the tragic death of the 2 girls rather than use it as an excuse for writing inane and stupid comments.
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Any experienced homicide detective will tell you that the murder of random innocents is extremely rare.
Posted 2007-02-27 17:13:22
COBBER, on 2007-02-27 17:54:25, said: Just watched the local Thai News where they said that the police are now seeking a male thai tour guide who had accompanied the 2 women to several nightspots on several evenings and has since gone to ground.
Well if it is him I hope they catch him but tour guides come up as suspects an awful lot in Thai murder cases of foreigners then found not to have anything to do with it
Two are mentioned above - Kirsty Jones in Chiang Mai and the Oz couple just outside Chiang Mai
Posted 2007-02-27 17:16:39
thaigene2, on 2007-02-27 17:51:44, said: Prakanong, on 2007-02-27 16:41:46, said: thaigene2, on 2007-02-27 17:37:10, said: I'm glad they showed the photo - Thai Rath did too.
LOOK at it! Not for some sicko reason....but to see how UNLIKELY it is that they were killed there in those beach chairs!
Look at the head gently resting on the other woman's shoulder. Look at the legs in a "comfy" position - like sleeping. It's pure nonesense.
If it wasn't for that photo, we would never have known the most likely scenario that this occured somewhere else and then a staged 5am "shooting" (that no one saw) happened. A picture tells a thousand words folks. Interesting how the police still say they were killed in their beach chairs...Now why is that? And aren't those boots a little like police/army boots?
Never mind the fact the police found five 9mm shells but the girsl were shot TEN times. Bollocks.
Its deffo Area 51 material is it not???????
Just who is under that bed?
You can take the p+ss as much as you like mate...I don't know who killed them or why - I'm sorry for them and their families. But I would bet you a sizeable sum that they weren't killed in those beach chairs in that spot. Again - look at the photo.
So the shop staff and the security guard are all in this and they have faked the CCTV pictures too?
Come on get real - can you not accept nothing at face value?
They may not have been in the exact positions photgraphed either with police etc moving them around - there are pics in a number of positions are there not
Posted 2007-02-27 17:23:33
COBBER, on 2007-02-27 16:54:25, said: Just watched the local Thai News where they said that the police are now seeking a male thai tour guide who had accompanied the 2 women to several nightspots on several evenings and has since gone to ground.
Whatever could his motivation possibly be? Bad tippers? Rejected him sexually? Thanks to the poster who posted the sweet picture during happier times. While this crime clearly has massive lurid appeal and it is now very mysterious, it is but one crime among many. It just has that special juice that the press and the masses eat up. Maybe some good can come from this tragedy, but I don't see it yet. Also, I don't care if they were whores or nuns, this crime must be solved.
I must admit I don't have the heart to visit Jomtien beach right away. How many other local people are avoiding it for now?
Edited by Jingthing, 2007-02-27 17:24:14.
Posted 2007-02-27 17:25:42
from a link on this thread.
THAILAND - Murder in Thailand: another tourist shot dead
http://www.cdnn.info...el/t061227.html
THAILAND - Men who raped, killed British tourist escape death
http://www.cdnn.info...el/t061125.html
THAILAND - Another tourist raped at Thailand resort island
http://www.cdnn.info...el/t060119.html
THAILAND - Increasing violence against tourists threatens tourism industry
http://www.cdnn.info...l/t060118a.html
Posted 2007-02-27 17:26:23
Payboy, on 2007-02-27 15:47:44, said: Briggsy, on 2007-02-27 08:38:46, said: Thai police - what a bunch of incompetent, morally bankrupt pricks.
can't expect anything different with their current selection / qualification procedure?
@ Briggsy
I do not agree. Read the article I posted here before from Phuket Gazette rregarding the shooting here yesterday. Police catched ALL 4 shooters in not more time than 3 hours. This shows us THEY ARE GREAT at their jobs as long as there is no coruption or anything else involved.
Thai Police can work phantastic.......if they want too
Posted 2007-02-27 17:54:06
From what world murder statistics available on the web that I could find with both Thailand and Russia listed, you are at least twice as likely to be murdered in Russia as you are in Thailand.
Posted 2007-02-27 17:59:23
moskito, on 2007-02-27 17:26:23, said: Payboy, on 2007-02-27 15:47:44, said: Briggsy, on 2007-02-27 08:38:46, said: Thai police - what a bunch of incompetent, morally bankrupt pricks.
can't expect anything different with their current selection / qualification procedure?
@ Briggsy
I do not agree. Read the article I posted here before from Phuket Gazette rregarding the shooting here yesterday. Police catched ALL 4 shooters in not more time than 3 hours. This shows us THEY ARE GREAT at their jobs as long as there is no coruption or anything else involved.
Thai Police can work phantastic.......if they want too
Sorry don't agree, they frequently ruin crime scenes and mess up cases due to lack of training and knowledge, they are certainly far from being fantastic. I have had satisfactory dealings with them, but by and large they are not what could be discribed as one of the worlds better police forces.
Posted 2007-02-27 18:01:14
Having read the entire thread i tend to go with the murdered elsewhere theory. They were shot 10 times and to my knowledge hand guns only hold 6 shots. Did the gunman reload?
My sympathy goes out to the families of the two girls. This is not only a tradgedy for them but also for Thailand. RIP.
Posted 2007-02-27 18:27:46
bangkokrick, on 2007-02-27 11:01:14, said: Having read the entire thread i tend to go with the murdered elsewhere theory. They were shot 10 times and to my knowledge hand guns only hold 6 shots. Did the gunman reload?
My sympathy goes out to the families of the two girls. This is not only a tradgedy for them but also for Thailand. RIP.
This is the first report that states 10 shots fired. The others state from 4 to 6 shots I believe.
One girl was reported to be shot 4 times and the other girl depending the report 1 or 2 times.
Security guard that heard it I think said 4 or 5 shots he heard fired.
Posted 2007-02-27 18:35:45
bangkokrick, on 2007-02-27 18:01:14, said: Having read the entire thread i tend to go with the murdered elsewhere theory. They were shot 10 times and to my knowledge hand guns only hold 6 shots. Did the gunman reload?
My sympathy goes out to the families of the two girls. This is not only a tradgedy for them but also for Thailand. RIP.
9mm is an automatic pistol with a clip. Usually holds between 10-15 bullets.
I would believe in number 10 as much as 4 or 6 before. Seems to be different every day.
Also all the other new information is building this to be a real mess. I would expect a miracle arrest soon, including some completely new motive.
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