Does anyone actually know how TAT compile their figures? I stated in a previous post that I had made 5 trips this year in and out of Thailand do I count as 1 or 5. The fact that I live here I am not really a tourist anyway i.e. I do not stay in a hotel or hire a car or jet ski. If they are simply counting the airport arrival cards then their numbers are about as accurate as the ones we used to get from the former Iraqi Information Minister!
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Started by girlx, 2007-05-25 09:04
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LaoPo
Rare Species Member Eating Tough Leaves Posted 2007-05-28 17:02:03
Does anyone actually know how TAT compile their figures? I stated in a previous post that I had made 5 trips this year in and out of Thailand do I count as 1 or 5. The fact that I live here I am not really a tourist anyway i.e. I do not stay in a hotel or hire a car or jet ski. If they are simply counting the airport arrival cards then their numbers are about as accurate as the ones we used to get from the former Iraqi Information Minister! You will be accounted for as 5 tourists, not 1. It is highly unlikely that TAT check the names on the arrival cards and compare them with your previous arrivals and say: "Hey, this guy did 5 trips this year so we count him as 1 tourist...."  I travelled in and out of LOS through many years as well during any particular year like many other travellers. Therefore TAT numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. LaoPo #53
naomisri
Senior Member Posted 2007-05-28 18:01:08
cmsally, I've been looking for packages for my brother for this year. My Mum is coming and she will be staying in her house over here so she suggested my brother find something in Chaweng with a pool so that we would have another base on the island and get to swim too. I've been looking for packages on Samui - found tons of great deals for Phuket, but nothing that would save you any money for Samui. We're not typical "package" kind of people, tend to make our own arrangements usually, but we thought if he got accommodation and flights for practially the same price as the airfare alone then it might be worth it.
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highdiver
Super Member Posted 2007-05-28 18:02:23
Does anyone actually know how TAT compile their figures? I stated in a previous post that I had made 5 trips this year in and out of Thailand do I count as 1 or 5. The fact that I live here I am not really a tourist anyway i.e. I do not stay in a hotel or hire a car or jet ski. If they are simply counting the airport arrival cards then their numbers are about as accurate as the ones we used to get from the former Iraqi Information Minister! You will be accounted for as 5 tourists, not 1. It is highly unlikely that TAT check the names on the arrival cards and compare them with your previous arrivals and say: "Hey, this guy did 5 trips this year so we count him as 1 tourist...." I travelled in and out of LOS through many years as well during any particular year like many other travellers. Therefore TAT numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. LaoPo TAT counts every tourist entrance. if you come 5 times youre counted as 5 times. this is very important as TAT allso measures the amount of returning tourists. a tourist that returns 5 times is great for whatever reson. #55
Rooo
Titanium Member Posted 2007-05-28 18:58:00
The Phuket package theme has been in place for years.This is how I discovered Phuket at the time, through Royal Orchid holidays.
Now you have to bear in mind , that most packages on offer are initiated through Thai Airways & their Royal Orchid holidays. Thai has combined international , local & great packages,which IMHO have greatly benefited Phuket & other areas where they fly to within Thailand. International wholesalers also tend to push Phuket,due to the very attractive rates they can procure. So someone maybe, should give The Head of Samui Tourist Association a wake up call & bring him into the 21ST century. You know you read in all the local papers, what they are going to do & patting each other on the back. Read some of the conflicting interviews he has had regarding Bangkok Air & see how quick he dances to the tune. Low season happens every year,to attract tourists here , regardless of high or low seasons , you have to give them a REASON to come & VALUE for money. Every member of the hotel association should get with Bangkok Air & try to work out a reasonable solution,BUT Bangkok Air wants to attract HIGH END CUSTOMERS. So you can draw your own conclusions & I think pigs might fly. #56
LaoPo
Rare Species Member Eating Tough Leaves Posted 2007-05-28 19:46:03
TAT counts every tourist entrance. if you come 5 times youre counted as 5 times. this is very important as TAT allso measures the amount of returning tourists. a tourist that returns 5 times is great for whatever reason. TAT's reason is a larger 'allowance' from the Ministry of Tourism and maybe higher salaries for the Management....telling the Ministry how good a job they did...  LaoPo #57
southwest19
Senior Member Posted 2007-05-29 10:38:50
Does anyone actually know how TAT compile their figures? I stated in a previous post that I had made 5 trips this year in and out of Thailand do I count as 1 or 5. The fact that I live here I am not really a tourist anyway i.e. I do not stay in a hotel or hire a car or jet ski. If they are simply counting the airport arrival cards then their numbers are about as accurate as the ones we used to get from the former Iraqi Information Minister! You will be accounted for as 5 tourists, not 1. It is highly unlikely that TAT check the names on the arrival cards and compare them with your previous arrivals and say: "Hey, this guy did 5 trips this year so we count him as 1 tourist...." I travelled in and out of LOS through many years as well during any particular year like many other travellers. Therefore TAT numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt. LaoPo TAT counts every tourist entrance. if you come 5 times youre counted as 5 times. this is very important as TAT allso measures the amount of returning tourists. a tourist that returns 5 times is great for whatever reson. I agree that if a tourist come to Thailand on holiday 5 times they should be counted 5 times my point was though that they have counted me 5 times and I think as I live here though be it on a non-immigrant visa it is totally incorrect to include me in any tourist statistics. I live in my own house, drive my own car, never rent a jet ski etc so it is totally misleading to class me as a tourist as I am not using the same services as your average tourist here for 2 weeks on holiday. There are more foreigners living in Thailand then probably ever before and many of my friends who live here are also making many trips a year abroad even if its just a weekend break to Penang or Singapore so if the TAT are counting all these people as just returning tourists on holiday then their figures are not worth the paper they are written on. Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? #58
ThaiGoon
Super Member Posted 2007-05-30 02:32:13
Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? #59
womble
Super Member Posted 2007-05-30 08:16:36
Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? Ofcourse they did as they could use this as an excuse for increased budget to get the tourists back!!! And look at all the rubbish they blew it on! #60
cmsally
Platinum Member Posted 2007-05-30 10:07:09
I think it would be very interesting to find out how the statistics are done. By counting arrival cards they must be depending on immigration to give them the numbers.
But TAT also sends out monthly statistic reports for hotels, resorts, guesthouses to fill in. A friend of mine gets them and she bins them every time. You have to fill in numbers of each nationality and work out percentages and do some horrifically complicated calculations and send them the results. As she said if she gave it to her staff they would definitely bin it and she doesn't have time to spend at least a couple of hours to fill this out so she has never sent any back and she doesn't know of anyone who has. She still gets one every month and religiously trashes it and has never received a query as to why she hasn't sent it! So if they don't even know the number of hotels how can they possibly know how many tourists. Where do they get their data? #61
ThaiGoon
Super Member Posted 2007-05-30 10:49:33
Where do they get their data? #62
southwest19
Senior Member Posted 2007-05-30 10:50:52
Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? What a daft thing to say. Thousands of people had just lost their lives their were television images shown all around the world of the chaos at airports as tourists were trying to leave they could hardly say numbers were up over the following months could they. #63
ThaiGoon
Super Member Posted 2007-05-30 10:56:15
Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? What a daft thing to say. Thousands of people had just lost their lives their were television images shown all around the world of the chaos at airports as tourists were trying to leave they could hardly say numbers were up over the following months could they. #64
southwest19
Senior Member Posted 2007-05-30 11:01:36
Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? What a daft thing to say. Thousands of people had just lost their lives their were television images shown all around the world of the chaos at airports as tourists were trying to leave they could hardly say numbers were up over the following months could they. I was pointing out you were stating the obvious you need to get that potatoe off your shoulder! #65
sbk
Mistress Whiplash Posted 2007-05-30 11:21:03
southwest19, I believe you asked this question:
Quote Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? Which ThaiGoon correctly answered. If it was so obvious, you certainly failed to include it in your question. So, you can stop the attempted flaming. #66
southwest19
Senior Member Posted 2007-05-30 12:07:36
southwest19, I believe you asked this question: Quote Lastly forgive me for being a little cynical but does anyone really believe the TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourist numbers even if it was the case? Which ThaiGoon correctly answered. If it was so obvious, you certainly failed to include it in your question. So, you can stop the attempted flaming. Okay I will rephrase my original question for everyones benefit. Barring tsunamis, nuclear explosions, bird flu epidemics does anyone believe that TAT would actually admit to a drop in tourism? Is that clear enough? |
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