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Posted 2007-06-12 02:13:12
 joskydive, on 2007-06-11 22:30:38, said:
farangsay, on 2007-06-11 22:14:09, said: joskydive, on 2007-06-11 21:54:17, said: Maybe he did get them in debt but he is the only one who showed any interest. For this, they will still cheer him and never give up the hope that he will come back some day. There's a lot of very unhappy Thai's out there today and I don't think the battle is over yet.
He showed interest in them because his strategy was a populist platform. There is a debate to be had as to whether they were actually any better off as a result of his policies but he certainly was. I had a girlfriend who told me he would be good for Thailand as he was rich already so he wouldn't just be interested in money like his predecessors. 5555555. He left office a lot richer than he started.
He certainly is/was a lot richer when he left office and I'm not disputing what you are saying. What I am saying is, try telling the Thai's that.They either wouldn't believe you, or, they just don't want to know!
Or maybe many Thais think he deserved to get richer, hasn't that been the name of the game forever. Question is what good did he do in between, lot more than many of his predecessors. And are the People really ready to make some changes. Now, there is a chance for big changes at least. Is the population ready for that, I don't think so.
Edited by sonnyJ, 2007-06-12 02:17:17.
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Posted 2007-06-12 02:47:35
The battle has only just begun. Today's paper: The PM says, "We should follow the rule of law" (arguing the old party should be quietly disintegrated).
How many people can't see through this BS anymore? We are quickly reaching critical mass. Even an IQ of 100 can see through the charade these days.
They need to get rid of the Internet soon.
Posted 2007-06-12 03:10:30
nothing like waiting 10 months before taking action......as if most of it isn't squirreled away somewhere else by now.....
Posted 2007-06-12 03:24:02
LaoPo, on 2007-06-11 19:39:34, said: LifeConvo, on 2007-06-11 14:30:10, said: How can a govt freeze assets outside the country? this sounds pretty dodgy to me.
Propagander at its finest.
It will indeed be very difficult for the AEC to try and freeze Offshore bank accounts. It's a long process.
Apart from that: tax fraud and/or corruption allegations are not exactly on the list of those Offshore Banks in order to cooperate with requests to freeze his accounts...(hard) drugs are.
LaoPo
Am with you on that one, there is no way there can freeze an offshore bank account other than what you suggessted drugs or maybe terrorism funding, other than that i think he has for sure secured his offshore transactiions.
Posted 2007-06-12 04:40:02
any secret funds he has squirrelled away are now exposed as just that 'secret' so he will have to publicly pretend that someone is supporting him. This is not some game played to so-called democratic rules. Toxin understands this even if some here do not. Toxin is as perfect an example of Asian Peronism one can find and like Peron he is/was an overreacher. A nasty little jumped-up copper on the make. Well now he is being closed down just like Tony Soprano.
Posted 2007-06-12 04:56:26
Posted 2007-06-12 05:12:17
LaoPo, on 2007-06-11 19:39:34, said: LifeConvo, on 2007-06-11 14:30:10, said: How can a govt freeze assets outside the country? this sounds pretty dodgy to me.
Propagander at its finest.
It will indeed be very difficult for the AEC to try and freeze Offshore bank accounts. It's a long process.
Apart from that: tax fraud and/or corruption allegations are not exactly on the list of those Offshore Banks in order to cooperate with requests to freeze his accounts...(hard) drugs are.
LaoPo
Why doesn't the Military get a life.
A person as astute as Thaksin would surely have buried cash and secutities well away from any possibility of being confiscated or frozen.
I would say he could live a life of luxuty anywhere that he wishes.
No need to worry about returning to Thailand and the possible kangaroo courts.
 Kiwi Pete
Posted 2007-06-12 05:20:25
In 5 or 10 years who will turn out to be worse? Taksin or the military dictatorship that took control. One thing for sure is that they aint telling us what they are doing, but what they do will come out in good time. I recon you cant stop corruption; I have been saying this for years: there is corruption everywhere (inlcuding the UK if you are following the current Saudi arms deals story).
Posted 2007-06-12 06:48:31
ASC freezes Thaksin's assets
52 billion baht held in family's and relatives' accounts
The Assets Scrutiny Committee (ASC) yesterday ordered the freezing of more than 52 billion baht held in bank accounts belonging to deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, his wife, two grown-up children and two other relatives. The order, effective today, was based on alleged acts of dishonesty and abuse of power to accumulate unusual wealth. Any bank which allows transactions in the frozen accounts would face legal action, said Kaewsan Atipho, the ASC secretary. The ASC has frozen all the bank accounts of Mr Thaksin and his wife. In addition, it froze 21 accounts with deposits related to the sale of Shin Corp shares to Temasek Holdings. These accounts belong to Mr Thaksin's two grown-up children, Panthongtae and Pinthongta, Mr Thaksin's sister Yingluck Shinawatra and Khunying Potjaman's stepbrother Bannapot Damapong, Mr Kaewsan told a press conference.
Continued here:
http://www.bangkokpo...2007_news01.php
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two points...
1. It would seem from this and other international reports that funds held overseas have not been seized and that perhaps the earlier reports from the sole source that reported they had, The Nation, were erroneous.
2. While they certainly haven't seized all of his money, they have gotten a big portion of it frozen.
Posted 2007-06-12 07:02:10
Edonista, on 2007-06-11 20:37:12, said: gbswales, on 2007-06-11 20:25:12, said: so who would elect a former policeman into office and not expect what happened....?
Anyway I still say it is WRONG WRONG WRONG to disolve a political party in a democratic society because some of it's leaders are corrupt - the only valid reason for banning a political party in my view is that they stand for something unacceptable to the world community - such as racism, geonocide and going against demorcracy - its fine to ban the guilty people from entering politics or even holding office (providing they are proven guilty) but disenfranchising millions of voters by removing heir party has to be wrong. Still by my reasaoning the military junta could ban themselves as what they did, and are still doing, is undemocratic.
I understand what they did, in a way, but they should have simply, ousted the government, disclosed the truth to everyone and then returned the country to the ballot box within a few months - there would have been no better way to undermine the Thai Rak Thai party than to see them suffer a humiliating defeat at the ballot box. As it is now, come the election, whenever one takes place, they can play the martyr. It is also totally undemocratic for an unelected body to be drafting a constitution - you may as well give that power back to the monarch!
You assume TRT would lose elections. TRT would have won the elections whenever called for, either now or 1 day after the coup. TRT is the only party that ever did something for the poor people of this country, that are by far the absolute majority. Poor Isaan farmers understand nothing about Taksin corruption, they know only that he was the only one to help them with the 30 baht health care scheme and with lending facilities.
Snob Bangkokians Democrats will never gain their hearts (nor their votes)
Posted 2007-06-12 07:44:41
Thaksin and Pojaman's deposit accounts seized
The Assets Examination Committee (AEC) has officially announced to seize all deposit accounts of ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinnawatra and his wife, Khunying Pojaman Shinnawatra.
All deposit accounts in every financial institution of the ex-PM and his wife will be frozen in accordance with the 30th announcement of the Council for National Security (CNS).
The 30th CNS announcement determines that if AEC has sufficient evidence to prove that cases or persons charged with were of elements of corruption, the AEC has the power to seize assets of those involved people, their spouses, and their children whose age are not over 20 years.
Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 12 June 2007
Posted 2007-06-12 08:03:36
soundman, on 2007-06-11 20:23:02, said: Finally - the second step to vindication for my six year anti Taksin stance.
Soundman.
What was the first step?
Posted 2007-06-12 08:16:02
kenk3z, on 2007-06-11 20:03:30, said: Well, I don't think anyone expected that ALL of Thaksin's assets could be seized. After all, the main thing Pojaman has been doing for the past nine months is visiting banks and shifting assets out of the country.
But they may get enough to cover what the family "should" have paid originally in taxes.
Obviously to have maximum effect, these assets would have been frozen the day or day after of the coup. And the family members arrested and/or exiled. Perhaps a comparison of Pojaman in jail with Paris Hilton in jail could be made, although it would be a good guess as to who would have better housing conditions.
kenk3z
If Thaksin had not entered Politics, he had sold Shin Corp, where would he stand now.................................!!!!!!!!!!
1. He would not have had so transfer funds to his kids,, there for no Ample Rich problems,
2. his wife would have likely bought the Rachadar land at the price she did anyway, who else in Thailand had enough money,
3. He could have yielded the 73 billion without tax justifiably because it is the rule for EVERYONE trading on the SET.......
4. Scanner deal........ I bet you Thaksin did not recieve a penny in this deal, I bet you the dirty underlings did....... buck stops at the top, but guys like Sondhi L. are all pissed off coz Thaksin gave them the cold shoulder because of corrupt deals affecting his government.
He would be sitting on all his money with no hassles......................
Thaksin is an idiot for trying to help this country anyway................ 
Jaruvan, well if you now her personally(as I do), you will understand what sort of person she is..........(my opinion is not good)!
Posted 2007-06-12 08:18:10
Jai Dee, on 2007-06-12 07:44:41, said: Thaksin and Pojaman's deposit accounts seized
The Assets Examination Committee (AEC) has officially announced to seize all deposit accounts of ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinnawatra and his wife, Khunying Pojaman Shinnawatra.
All deposit accounts in every financial institution of the ex-PM and his wife will be frozen in accordance with the 30th announcement of the Council for National Security (CNS).
The 30th CNS announcement determines that if AEC has sufficient evidence to prove that cases or persons charged with were of elements of corruption, the AEC has the power to seize assets of those involved people, their spouses, and their children whose age are not over 20 years.
Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 12 June 2007
This is criminal behaviour of Jaunta thieves!
Posted 2007-06-12 08:23:37
NanLaew, on 2007-06-12 08:03:36, said: soundman, on 2007-06-11 20:23:02, said: Finally - the second step to vindication for my six year anti Taksin stance.
Soundman.
What was the first step?
Getting booted out of power.
Soundman.
Posted 2007-06-12 08:25:24
MarcHolt, on 2007-06-12 04:56:26, said:
Totally agreed Mark, in my years here I have never seen action so pathetically based on greed, power and revenge. All these military a******le know one thing, the people hate them, the people DO NOT support their actions, they can see the counter corruption of CNS worse now than anything under Taksin, and if anyone remotely associated to Taksin in power at the next election, the military group of Sonthi and Saprang(CNS) are going to spend the rest of their days is some deep dark hole in Nakon Nowhere.
Posted 2007-06-12 08:35:48
Is Thailand alone in regards to asset seizures? No other country does this?
No other country seizes assets prior to a trial?
Posted 2007-06-12 08:37:34
Posted 2007-06-12 08:42:09
Any news on why the money in Shin sale accounts is 20+ billions less than expected? The banks effectively froze them long time ago. Did he pay for something legally? Or did he squirelled 20 bil in small transactions that no one is watching?
Posted 2007-06-12 08:42:43
LinkPopularity, on 2007-06-11 19:28:38, said: like his money isn't far, far away !
they never get it, they better give the 500 million bath back they gave to army. (read, the 500 million bath the army paid themselves for kidnapping the country) what ? you didn't know that one ? happily ignored it ? sdtill pretending that isn't more blatant corruption then all Thaksin did ?
Hi, I never heard anything about this. Could you enlighten me?
Posted 2007-06-12 08:44:29
Most Thai people I know (if not all) are getting more frustrated about this situation as the day goes on.
They all know that the Thai system is corrupt (and what country isn't to a certain extent). Lets face it to get to the top
costs a lot of money unless you are the puppet of a powerful clique and you are providing certain qualities while they provide money.
So when the top is reached, money has to be made and paid back to those whose favours you used.
Like it or not that's the way it works.
The reason he was a good leader was that he had enough money not be afraid of stepping on a lot of toes and for that reason he put many peoples noses out of joint.
Now its pay back time for those people.
Whether you like him as a leader or not, you have a clique of people who have taken power by force and are making up the rules as they go along. They have also sent out a strong message, that anyone who takes democratically elected leadership better not cross their paths in the future, if they do, look what might happen.
What kind of leader will that be; one that is constantly watching his back and is "reporting" into HQ every week.
I would imagine for the Democrats to escape the dissolvement ruling there is some sort of tacit agreement along these lines. They have agreed to not rock the boat.
For a lot of people they see this as the rise of the old guard, getting into power to justify their own existence.
The rural Thais feel marginalised and the more educated Thais are being made to feel stupid in the eyes of the world. Whether people are out in the streets to protest or not , many are not happy about the situation.
Posted 2007-06-12 08:52:04
Plus, on 2007-06-12 08:42:09, said: Any news on why the money in Shin sale accounts is 20+ billions less than expected? The banks effectively froze them long time ago. Did he pay for something legally? Or did he squirelled 20 bil in small transactions that no one is watching?
Maybe, just Maybe......
do you recall that just about an hour or so before the coup, the Mrs. flew out of Thailand with , Ithink it was 114 suitcases of...... ??????? ...... on two planes....
Posted 2007-06-12 08:57:52
sriracha john, on 2007-06-11 20:16:56, said:
They were NEVER the first family.
Thailand is not a republic, like the USA, it is a KINGDOM
Posted 2007-06-12 10:11:21
astral, on 2007-06-12 08:57:52, said: sriracha john, on 2007-06-11 20:16:56, said:
They were NEVER the first family.
Thailand is not a republic, like the USA, it is a KINGDOM
I think they were referencing how the first family considered themselves as such.
Posted 2007-06-12 10:19:18
LaoPo, on 2007-06-11 19:39:34, said: LifeConvo, on 2007-06-11 14:30:10, said: How can a govt freeze assets outside the country? this sounds pretty dodgy to me.
Propagander at its finest.
It will indeed be very difficult for the AEC to try and freeze Offshore bank accounts. It's a long process.
Apart from that: tax fraud and/or corruption allegations are not exactly on the list of those Offshore Banks in order to cooperate with requests to freeze his accounts...(hard) drugs are.
LaoPo
Its is possible to freeze accounts but what is difficult to find where people put money ie offshore accounts in offshore company names no need to list directors.
So Mr & Mrs Thaksin are fine thank you very much.
This is just propaganda at its finest Why dont they just start and try to put the country together again and stop this from happening again.
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