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[rogerdee123]

Just wondering if anyone here's  been bitten by this bug yet?

[britmaveric]

no

[Jingthing]

Not many Thai poultry workers post here.

[xbusman]

You dont want to know, would scare the living heck out of you. Its about as ugly a death as you can imagine. Even the survivors are permanently crippled after months and months of intensive care. Its not sniffles for a few days and lots of chicken soup.

Really, dont look it up, you dont want to know if you hope to sleep nights.

[disgruntled]

The day may come but when? I thought it was 'imminent'? Everything that involves funding seems 'imminent' nowadays. Back during the cold war WW3 was 'imminent' at times I would guess.

[londonthai]

when the pandemic strikes everybody in the world will be ill (sooner or later) - no need to ask. It's said, however, that the mortality rate will be many times lower than from the virus known now. Still, there would be millions of fatalities.

[britmaveric]

Just pharmaceutical firms driving up their drug demand via scare tactics.

[soap]

rogerdee123, on 2007-08-21 19:41:22, said:

Just wondering if anyone here's  been bitten by this bug yet?

you will know by the symptoms if you have bird flu
  symptoms
                high temperture
                hot/cold flushes
                loss off apetite
                uncontrolable urge to sh*t on someones windscreen

[Prakanong]

britmaveric, on 2007-10-31 12:35:06, said:

Just pharmaceutical firms driving up their drug demand via scare tactics.

Not at all - the pharma companies do not set the pandemic threat level.

Which pharma companies would profit by the way?

Tell you what Brit - if it does happen you live by your principles mate and take no medication or no vaccine.

Me - I will have all my pre-pandemic and pandemic vaccine they want to give me plus I will be given a store of antivirals for myself and family members - they get the vaccines too.

[Prakanong]

londonthai, on 2007-10-31 00:39:35, said:

when the pandemic strikes everybody in the world will be ill (sooner or later) - no need to ask. It's said, however, that the mortality rate will be many times lower than from the virus known now. Still, there would be millions of fatalities.

Sorry but that is just not correct everyone would be ill ie catch it - have you ever seen any of the models of the spread?

What about those vaccinated - with pre-pandemic vaccine and the actual vaccine for the stain that it shifts or drifts to?

Even without vaccine not all people get it - not absolutely everyone

As for mortality rates lower than that of the H5N1 virus - how do you know - its probably but how can you state what flu researchers would not without evidence?

[mark henry]

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[Prakanong]

mark henry, on 2007-10-31 16:42:03, said:

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Meow

[britmaveric]

None of what you have Prakanong will help you once it mutates to humans. They will need to develop it, so what I am commenting on is the meds now won't help you, but good old pharmaceuticals don't want you to know that.

[Prakanong]

britmaveric, on 2007-10-31 21:56:05, said:

None of what you have Prakanong will help you once it mutates to humans. They will need to develop it, so what I am commenting on is the meds now won't help you, but good old pharmaceuticals don't want you to know that.

Which pharmaceuticals do not want you to know that?

Agan which pharma companies will profit?

I see publicly published data all the time - you are just not looking.


Tamiflu and maybe Relenza will probably help if you catch it

The pre-pandemic vaccines will help as well - even better if you have time for the two doese but even one will go some way - it buys time while the vaccine for the mutated (it really should be strain drift or shit not mutate) strain is developed - traditional methods up to 4 months but hopefully quicker and if they do cel production then it will be quicker but the capacity will not be that high.

I was recently at a "Town Hall" talk with one of the Dr's behind the pandemic vaccine - he was in the region for high level government meetings. The model he showed was actually for Khon Kaen but he was not meeting the Thai givt.

It was very interesting what the model showed for infection and deaths among the 500,000 population there

Different scenarios were played out

No protection at all

Tamiflu only for a certain %

1 dose of pre-pandemic and tamiflu

2 doses

until all possibilities were gone through

[londonthai]

Prakanong, on 2007-10-31 08:35:28, said:

londonthai, on 2007-10-31 00:39:35, said:

when the pandemic strikes everybody in the world will be ill (sooner or later) - no need to ask. It's said, however, that the mortality rate will be many times lower than from the virus known now. Still, there would be millions of fatalities.

Sorry but that is just not correct everyone would be ill ie catch it - have you ever seen any of the models of the spread?

What about those vaccinated - with pre-pandemic vaccine and the actual vaccine for the stain that it shifts or drifts to?

Even without vaccine not all people get it - not absolutely everyone

As for mortality rates lower than that of the H5N1 virus - how do you know - its probably but how can you state what flu researchers would not without evidence?

my reply was to the OP who was asking if anybody came accross bird flu in thailand. The pandemic will outright noticeable (a large part of the population affected) and global (within the short time from the beginning). Will be coming in several, 2-4 waves, in interval of 3 months - possibly slighly mutated.

It will affect first of all those with a weak immune system (elderly, kids, ill) - but even a shot of an ordinary flu vaccine (given to the elderly and ill every winter) is a help, before they are infected.

The mortality rate for humans for the H5N1 is very high, over 50% - but it's an animal virus. The human form will be less potent - I do not remember the exact mechanism, but what I have read over 2,5 years ago, it's the case.

Of course, all possible jabs will help - but can't quarantee immunity to the virus which is constantly changing. Some, with a very strong immune system or away from large populations, won't be affected

[Ricardo]

Prakanong, on 2007-10-31 15:44:02, said:

mark henry, on 2007-10-31 16:42:03, said:

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Meow

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[John_Rambo]

soap, on 2007-10-31 15:28:26, said:

you will know by the symptoms if you have bird flu
  symptoms
                              uncontrolable urge to sh*t on someones windscreen

Sounds like i caught a dose while i was out on the lash last weekend. I'm okay now though.

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[lawyer15]

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[phaethon]

  
LOL this is right up there with the "How many members are currently in prison" thread.