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[geoffphuket]

Maigo6, on 2007-09-16 20:39:02, said:

JackieClear, on 2007-09-16 22:37:09, said:

No wonder people die with thai pilots and staff. No wonder.

  
This thread sure needs you!    

When I've previously flown this route with One-Two-GO, the aircraft had  European flight deck crew

[catnip]

This is indeed a very sad day and my prayers to all the souls aboard that plane. catnip

[Mid]

FWIW the pilot is reportedly Indonesian .

[lazeeboy]

catnip, on 2007-09-16 20:45:31, said:

This is indeed a very sad day and my prayers to all the souls aboard that plane. catnip

the thai insurance company covering 1 to go says all passengers will be treated under the insurance ,no need to pay first ,everything will be taken care of ,just on titv

[chinthee]

Mid, on 2007-09-16 20:47:31, said:

FWIW the pilot is reportedly Indonesian .

Time for all the Garuda and Indo bashers to emerge I guess.

I fly one2go often and even though a budget airline, they seem fine to me.  As far as the old plane argument goes, they can fly virtually forever as long as engines and maintenance is done well.  I'm sure the aviators on this forum will be along to post what they know of this, as well as pilot quality.

[elkangorito]

dekka007, on 2007-09-16 20:25:18, said:

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Dekka look at this - from BBC UK site.

<< The flight, en route from Bangkok, was approaching Phuket airport when the pilot asked to abort the landing, aviation official Chiasak Angkauwan told Thai television.
"The control tower allowed it but the aircraft fell to the runway and the body broke," he said. >>

Pilot *ASKED* / Control tower *ALLOWED*? What? Air Trafic Service surely does not have the authority to *allow* (or deny) anything like this. The Captain *INFORMS* ATC he is going around and they acknowledge. Right or not?

Total nonsense.  ATC will never deny an aircraft go-around for any reason.  They simply cannot.  Secondly we dont ask permission for a missed approach - we TELL atc that is what we are doing.  Some of the reporting i have read on this incident in the last hour or so is totally pathetic.

An Airport authority can close an airport due weather conditions but they will NEVER EVER deny a missed approach to any airplane for any reason - they cannot.  I find it somewhat hard to believe the crew asked for permission - we dont do it.

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i would think the pilot has to clear any manoever with atc (to make sure no other planes are in the vicinity) before going ahead.

Not actually correct.  Each runway at an airport has a published missed approach procedure which is followed in the event of a go around.  These procedures are to ensure that conflicts with other departing traffic / Arriving traffic and terrain are all clear.  IE you can make a missed approach not talk to anyone (ie ATC) and by following the procedure you are safe from conflict.

I concur with  dekka. I was once a pilot myself (light aircraft) & at no time will any atc disallow a go-around.

I have been in a similar situation in a PA-28 - a storm chased me & actually had caught up with me by the time I was on finals. The airspace & aerodrome were uncontrolled. The visual on the windsock (an 18 knot windsock) showed full & perfectly horizontal, perpendicular to the runway (only had one runway). The crosswind component of the aircraft was about 18 knots & I guessed that the actual crosswind was 20-30 knots, gusting. I had no choice but to put the aircraft down.

I landed on the grass after the worst (or was it the best?) sideslip landing ever. Sweating like a pig with heart jumping out of my chest, I walked away.

I would've hated to be in the situation of the Phuket pilot...everything happens in split seconds when you are in command of an aircraft. It's worse in a high speed aircraft.

[rogerthecabinboy]

According to TITV the number for the Bangkok Hospital in Phuket, where victims/survivors are being taken is +667 6254421.

Just amazes me that on CNN this story's importance warrants Breaking News status, yet on BBC World it gets 3 minutes and the normal schedule.

RG

[ajarnmark]

dekka007, on 2007-09-16 20:42:10, said:

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did a full medical recently for updating pilots licence and there was a thai hiso who could not hear a thing in the hearing test room so they moved him to another room and amazingly passed because supposingly it is rude to fail them.
No wonder people die with thai pilots and staff. No wonder.

Actually the basic audiogram you are given is not that accurate due to background noise equipment tests etc.  all pilots that are marginal are given an audiogram on more accurate equipment - its no big deal happens every day on class 1 medicals.

I appreciate you dekka, you are replying very sensibly and logically to some non-sense and non-logical replies.  

For those who are trying to find fault in every event, just realize that it is not that we can control everything, there are situations when we lose control. So far, nothing is clear whether it is the fault of pilot or not, so why to bash anyone now  

[Burr]

Does this airline have a first world pilot in the left seat??

Most 3rd world airlines use one first world pilot!

[jimbeam1]

A very sad day indeed. I was just talking to my G/F on telephone she told me of tragedy. Our thoughts go out to all those involved and their families

jb1

[JackieClear]

It would make me very angry if i heard that nok air who had multiple accidents 2 years ago had changed there name or that the aircraft were just resigned with the same mojo pilots.
Very Very Upsetting news this.

May the souls of the faithfully departed Rest In Peace.

[LivinginKata]

Just list to our member Simon being interviewed on BBC.

[North]

kankaroo, on 2007-09-16 20:35:45, said:

I have flown this airline into this airport before and was a bit alarmed how they rush everybody on and off the plane as they never manage to run on schedule.

When I first heard this report I thought it may be down to poor maintenance but now it looks like it was the weather to blame.

Whatever it was it has reinforced my hatred of flying (sober anyway).

R.I.P to all the dead, condolences to the loved ones.

In case of bad weather how can you possibly blame the weather ?

In that scenario it is more correct to say pilot error of judgement.

Time will probably tell, when this terrible accident is investigated.

A sad day indeed.

[soic]

dekka007, on 2007-09-16 20:25:18, said:

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Dekka look at this - from BBC UK site.

<< The flight, en route from Bangkok, was approaching Phuket airport when the pilot asked to abort the landing, aviation official Chiasak Angkauwan told Thai television.
"The control tower allowed it but the aircraft fell to the runway and the body broke," he said. >>

Pilot *ASKED* / Control tower *ALLOWED*? What? Air Trafic Service surely does not have the authority to *allow* (or deny) anything like this. The Captain *INFORMS* ATC he is going around and they acknowledge. Right or not?

Total nonsense.  ATC will never deny an aircraft go-around for any reason.  They simply cannot.  Secondly we dont ask permission for a missed approach - we TELL atc that is what we are doing.  Some of the reporting i have read on this incident in the last hour or so is totally pathetic.

An Airport authority can close an airport due weather conditions but they will NEVER EVER deny a missed approach to any airplane for any reason - they cannot.  I find it somewhat hard to believe the crew asked for permission - we dont do it.

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i would think the pilot has to clear any manoever with atc (to make sure no other planes are in the vicinity) before going ahead.

Not actually correct.  Each runway at an airport has a published missed approach procedure which is followed in the event of a go around.  These procedures are to ensure that conflicts with other departing traffic / Arriving traffic and terrain are all clear.  IE you can make a missed approach not talk to anyone (ie ATC) and by following the procedure you are safe from conflict.

Can you tell me if there is an easy way to get the flight manifest? My good friend and his wife (my wife's cousin) were flying to Phuket from Bkk today.

[Tywais]

Several inappropriate/insensitive posts have been removed.  Please remember that first and foremost that this is a tragedy with the loss of many lives, all with friends and relatives.  Further type of comments like before will be dealt with firmly.  Thank you for understanding.

[elkangorito]

Burr, on 2007-09-16 15:05:03, said:

Does this airline have a first world pilot in the left seat??

Most 3rd world airlines use one first world pilot!

There's always a plethora of people on TV who are more than happy to make unqualified statements about anything & everything.

[geoffphuket]

The MD80 series of aircraft have a well know design fault..... which is not a problem if the aircraft is maintained within its normal schedule. It's Unlikely to be a cause of this accident, but the knowledge of it has concerned me when flying with One-Two-Go previously.

Interesting video: http://stage6.divx.c...Cutting-Corners

geoffphuket

[geriatrickid]

Source Reuters -18 minutes ago
PHUKET, Thailand (Reuters) - The death toll in a plane crash on the Thai resort island of Phuket on Sunday was 88, Phuket deputy governor Vorapot Rajsima said. Another 42 people on the flight, which was carrying 130 passengers and crew, were injured, he told a news conference. Initial reports had said there were 128 on board.

[simon43]

I've spoken to BBC World, BBC 24 and Japan TV over the past hour.  But there really is little that I can say about this tragedy.  Until I hear to the contrary, I would put this accident down the the very bad localised weather conditions.

I will certainly fly this airline again, never had any worries about them

Simon

[dekka007]

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Can you tell me if there is an easy way to get the flight manifest? My good friend and his wife (my wife's cousin) were flying to Phuket from Bkk today.

I am doubtful the airline will release that information to you sorry.  Contact the emergency line or the airline direct.

[Briggsy]

BBC: Both pilots survived.

TTV: Both pilots are certainly dead, one of the three flight attendants survived.

[george]

74 now dead, according to CNN.

[iang]

This is indeed a tragedy & one's condolences must go out to the families of the victims & those injured.

One thing not discussed that I can see so far, is the age of the MD-80 aircraft and other operating aircraft of One-To-Go?

I'm no aircraft expert, but much of their equipment looks pretty old to me & I wonder if the age of the aircraft (and thus aging systems) contributed in any way?

The aparant age of their aircraft is the reason that I've always avoided using them & have preferred to pay the substantially higher prices of TG - the saving never seemed worth the risk!

[george]

Flight OJ269: 74 dead: Phuket airport closed as death toll rises

PHUKET, Sept 16 (TNA) – Services at Phuket International Airport were suspended while airport workers and emergency personnel cleared the runway of wreckage in the aftermath of the horrendous crash of a budget passenger airliner Sunday afternoon.

Meanwhile, the unofficial death toll rose to 74, with 43 persons injured, and mainly hospitalised.

Before leaving Bangkok for Phuket together with many senior officials of the ministry, Thailand's Deputy Minister of Transport Sansern Wongcha-um on Sunday evening said that the airport in the southern province is expected to resume operations on Monday morning, at 6 am.

About 1,000 passengers could not travel after four flights were cancelled: three Bangkok-bound and the fourth for Hong Kong

The passenger jet operated by Thai budget carrier One-Two-Go skidded off a runway at Phuket International Airport during a landing attempt amid heavy rain and strong crosswinds. The aircraft – identified as an MD 82 model – broke into two sections before bursting into flame in both wings and the rear section of the broken aircraft, according to acting Airports of Thailand (AoT) director Kalya Pakakrong.

The plane's passenger list included 123 persons plus seven crew members, many of whom are feared dead.

The cause of the fatal incident is now being investigated, according to Transport Minister Admiral Thira Haocharoen. (TNA) – E002

--TNA 2007-09-16

[stevenjm]

george, on 2007-09-16 14:15:07, said:

74 now dead, according to CNN.

from news.com.au

September 16, 2007 11:45pm
Article from: AAP

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CONSULAR officials are still trying to determine how many Australians were aboard a budget airliner which crashed and burst into flames at the Thai resort of Phuket, killing at least 66 people.

Forty more were missing after the One-Two-Go flight from Bangkok went down in driving rain today. Around half of the 123 people on board were foreigners.

Two of the 29 known survivors were reportedly Australian and were being treated in a Phuket hospital.

A spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said the Australian embassy in Bangkok and the honorary consulate in Phuket were urgently trying to confirm how many Australians were in the crash.

“The Australian honorary consul in Phuket is on hand at the airport to provide any assistance to affected Australians and a consular official from Bangkok is travelling to Phuket,” the spokesman said.

“The embassy is contacting hospitals in the Phuket area.”

Any member of the public concerned about family members or friends believed to have been on board are advised to first attempt to contact that person directly.

Anyone who has serious concerns should contact the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on 1300 555 135.