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Posted 2007-10-31 14:19:33
 Mid, on 2007-10-31 11:43:35, said:
interesting the type of poster on here who can find reason to reduce this Threads star rating ,
I've seen a lot of threads where the star rating is a comment on the content. Bad news gets low marks. It's not a sign that someone doesn't care, it's that they think it sucks that these things happen.
The whole star rating of threads is a silly idea anyway IMO.
There's already another thread on it in the appropriate forum, can they be merged?
http://www.thaivisa....howtopic=150976
Edited by cdnvic, 2007-10-31 14:20:30.
Posted 2007-10-31 14:28:59
yep , hide it away quickly ,
protect us from looking at this type of news ...........................
Posted 2007-10-31 14:31:20
Mid, on 2007-10-31 11:43:35, said: interesting the type of poster on here who can find reason to reduce this Threads star rating ,
with this type of person walking amongst us ,
no wonder the world is looking the other way ,
shame ........................
Well I gave it a five for you mid.
11 year old soldiers, or more likely cannon fodder or mine sweepers. Unbelievably terrible. 
Posted 2007-10-31 14:31:28
Mid, on 2007-10-31 14:28:59, said: yep , hide it away quickly ,
protect us from looking at this type of news ...........................
Oh get off your high horse for a minute will you? There's plenty of people reading who do much more for the burmese than mass pasting news clippings on some forum and lecturing everyone else for not caring enough to do the same.
Posted 2007-10-31 14:36:12
try and comprehend what I said ......................
why merge this news into an existing thread with a different headline ?
Posted 2007-10-31 14:38:01
Because they are the identical subject, and the Southeast Asia forum was created so we would have a place to put this stuff.
Posted 2007-10-31 14:45:18
the only reason the new thread is in the SE Asian forum is because i disobeyed the directive to confine all Burma news to one thread .
as to why this thread is here , you'll have to read the OP's explanation .
enough from me.
Posted 2007-10-31 14:53:05
Youth sodomized and strangled in Maungdaw    Written by Webmaster Tuesday, 30 October 2007 Maungdaw, Burma : A Rohingya youth was sodomized and strangled by Burma ’s border security force personnel on October 26, said a relative of the victim. The victim was identified as Ziabul Haque (15), son of Nazir Ahamed, hailing from Padaga Ywathit (Garatawbil) of Maundaw Township in Arakan State , Burma .
On October 26, at about 1 p,m. Ziabul Haque was crossing a Nasaka outpost accompanied by a eight year old boy of Garatawbil under Nasaka Sector No. 4 of Bawli Bazar when were stopped, the relative added.
They were taken to a nearby hill side from where the younger boy ran away out of fear. Ziabul Haque could not.
At the Nasaka outpost there were six Nasaka personnel on duty. Of them, two Nasaka personnel forcibly sodomized the Ziabul Haque and strangled him to stop him from talking, according to his family sources.
In the evening, his parents and relatives went looking for him when he failed to return home. It was then that the boy who had escaped informed them that Ziabul Haque was taken to the hill side by Nasaka personnel at about 1 p.m. The parents rushed to the Nasaka out-post and asked their son whereabouts. But, the Nasaka personnel said they had no knowledge of their son. Then, they (parents) went to hill side, but they did not find Ziabul Haque, the family source added.
Again, on October 27 early morning, the parents along with other family members went to the hill side and found Ziabul's body in a narrow stream between two mountains. They informed the police station in Bawli Bazaar in Maungdaw Township. A police officer at the station accompanied by some policemen went to the spot and took pictures of the body. The police officer ordered the relatives of the victim to send the body to the morgue of the general hospital in Maungdaw town for autopsy. The police have been inquiring about the death, a relative said.
According to the doctor's report, the victim was sodomized and killed by strangling. He was buried after permission from authorities in the local cemetery, the same day.
"It is clear that the boy was killed by Nasaka after being sodomized, according to the statement of the escaped boy. The security personnel had sodomized the Rohingya boy earlier," a schoolteacher said.
"We are waiting to see what kind of action will be taken against the criminals," said another relative of the victim.
Posted 2007-10-31 15:24:20
Topics merged.
Posted 2007-10-31 16:02:49
cdnvic, on 2007-10-31 14:31:28, said: Mid, on 2007-10-31 14:28:59, said: yep , hide it away quickly ,
protect us from looking at this type of news ...........................
Oh get off your high horse for a minute will you? There's plenty of people reading who do much more for the burmese than mass pasting news clippings on some forum and lecturing everyone else for not caring enough to do the same.
 Well said Vic.
Posted 2007-10-31 16:06:44
Monday, 29 October 2007 Akyab, Arakan State: Three people were arrested by Burma's intelligence agency in Akyab (Sittwe) on October 19, on the allegation that they were passing information out of the country relating to the recent anti-junta demonstrations, said a relative of one. The arrested were identified as Md. Yunus (42), son of Rashid Ahamed, belonging to Zaliapara of Sittwe, Nurul Islam (35), son of Md. Rofique, hailing from Shikdarpara of Akyab and Md. Eliyas (32), son of Md. Essaque, hailing from Zaliapara of Akyab, he added.
They were severely tortured and handed over to the military camp in Akyab for more interrogation, a trader from Akyab said on condition of anonymity.
They were believed to have been transferred to Rangoon and could be detained in the notorious Insein jail.
During the anti-junta demonstrations last month by monks and people in Arakan State, some people were killed and arrested by the authorities.
Posted 2007-10-31 19:21:05
cdnvic, on 2007-10-31 08:31:28, said: Mid, on 2007-10-31 14:28:59, said: yep , hide it away quickly ,
protect us from looking at this type of news ...........................
Oh get off your high horse for a minute will you? There's plenty of people reading who do much more for the burmese than mass pasting news clippings on some forum and lecturing everyone else for not caring enough to do the same.
My thoughts echoed. Topic merged with Myanmar News.
Posted 2007-11-04 07:33:57
Akyab, Arakan State: Young students staged a peaceful rally near Lawkananda pagoda on October 31, said a local in Akyab. The young students' between the ages of 10 and 13 years marched peacefully to the Lawkananda pagoda with red ribbons on their head without writing any , holding a red flower bouquet in one hand while another held a pigeon, he added. They were boys and girls from different schools in Akyab.
The students made groups of five and one row had five groups. There were around 100 students.
The students stayed at the pagoda from 2 pm to 3 pm where they released the pigeons and shouted "we need peace, not military rule".
The security forces of Lawkananda tried to divide and break the groups and send the students back home but they did not move from the pagoda compound till 3 pm.
Students in Akyab hung anti junta cartoon posters in the entrance wells of famous Buddhist temples and monasteries on the night of October 29, said a student.
Posted 2007-11-06 14:55:43
If this reflection about the methods of the monks in Burma in recent months is off topic, please delete it.
Tuesday, October 09, 2007
Monks and Amish
Buddhists and Amish, two communities from widely different parts of the world who refuse to use violence against enemies, are in my imagination these days. Both had members who were killed by someone from outside their community. Both refused to retaliate. Both of them consider the person or persons who killed their members to be worthy of love and forgiveness. Both have developed teachings, styles of social formation, rituals, and tough disciplines over centuries.
This is from the blog of Gene Stoltzfus, Director Emeritus of Christian Peacemakers Teams, at
http://gstoltzfus.bl...-and-amish.html
That website has another Burma reflection, "Burma on the March". Gene spent part of the years of the war in Vietnam as an unarmed Christian peace worker/journalist in Vietnam.
Posted 2007-11-08 07:20:40
Burmese junta has rejected the U.N. proposal of a 3 way meeting involving Aung San Suu Kyi.
Posted 2007-11-12 16:46:43
Quote One of Pinheiro's tasks is to verify the number of deaths and detentions, in a country that is notorious for hiding the truth.
Observers said Pinheiro, no stranger to Burma, had planned his itinerary well. Abbots at the Kya Khat Waing Monastery were among the few to condemn the September protests and to chastise the monks for getting involved in politics.
On Monday Pinheiro visited monasteries that were more closely involved in the so-called "saffron revolution."
First he visited Kabaraye, the seat of Burma's Sangha, or the Buddhist hierarchy similar to the Catholic Church's senior clergy. Pinheiro held talks with the 47-man Sangha, the outcome of which was not disclosed.
He proceeded to Ngwe-Kyar-Yan monastery, South Okkalapa township, where monks were allegedly beaten and taken away in army trucks on the morning of September 27. The abbot of that monastery was severely beaten and according to some accounts, has died of his injuries.
Pinheiro then visited the Nan Oo monastery, in Mingala Taungnyunt Township, where authorities claimed they found explosives on October 11, belonging to dissident monks.
The UN rapporteur also visited the Htein-Pin cemetery in Hlaing-Thar-Yar township, where witnesses said they saw mass cremations being carried out in secret on the night of September 27.
Pinheiro was scheduled to visit Rangoon's Insein Jail Monday afternoon, and the Government Technical Institute, where hundreds of people were detained in the aftermath of the September crackdown.
He is expected to leave Rangoon Tuesday morning for Naypyidaw to meet with ministers and representatives of the junta.
From article in BKK Post today.
Posted 2007-11-13 03:14:57
BBC2 just broadcasted a show on the September protests and subsequent government crackdown with beatings, arrests and killings. It is truly staggering when compared with the freedoms we have in the west. The courage of the people interviewed is amazing.
I found it so ironic that the government was actively trying to censor the internet gateways to prevent the news from getting out, and at the same time surfing the internet to try to identify specific protesters and then use the captured pictures to go hunt them down like so many common criminals. Their behaviour is sickening.
Posted 2007-11-13 13:29:12
Quote Burma gem sale to boost junta coffers
November 13, 2007
BURMA will tomorrow launch its first auction of gems and jade since its deadly crackdown on pro-democracy protests, defying a tightening of sanctions and calls for a boycott of its jewel trade.
The poverty-stricken country is the source of up to 90 percent of the world's rubies, and each auction of precious stones rakes in more than $US100 million, making it a key source of revenue for the military regime.
Burma's renowned "pigeon's blood" rubies can cost more per carat than diamonds. Last year, an 8.62-carat Burmese ruby fetched a record price of $US3.7 million - or $US425,000 per carat - at a Christie's auction.
"With financial sanctions being placed, it is getting increasingly difficult for the Burmese generals to move their money around,'' said Sean Turnell, an expert on the nation.
"So gems are, in some ways, the perfect vehicle to do that because gems are very portable, very valuable, and you can move them around much easier than money. You don't need to go through banks," said Turnell from Macquarie University in Sydney.
C'td at theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22751751-2703,00.html
Edited by WaiWai, 2007-11-13 13:29:38.
Posted 2007-11-20 05:49:45
Burma warned over Asean charter
Philippine President Gloria Arroyo has said her country is unlikely to sign a new Asean charter unless Burma frees the opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.
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From: http://newsvote.bbc....fic/7101239.stm
LaoPo
Posted 2007-11-21 06:57:50
Posted 2007-12-04 08:08:36
Burmese Buddhist Monks Outcasts in their Own Country
By Shah Paung
December 3, 2007
Burma is a Buddhist country. But, under this military government, it no longer offers a place or security for Buddhist monks.
This was confirmed again by the latest cruel action by the regime in closing Rangoon's Maggin monastery and evicting its monks, lay people and the HIV/AIDS patients in its treatment center and hospice.
Among the nine evicted monks was 80-year-old U Nandiya, father of the monastery's abbot, U Indaka, a former political prisoner detained once more in an unknown location.
U Nandiya is also being detained by the Burmese authorities, and it's reported that he will be sent back to his home town, Myothit, in Taungdwingyi Township, Magwe Division. Three novices will also reportedly be sent home. A member of the State Sangha Mahanayaka Committee, the official council of monks, will accompany them.
The monastery's six HIV/AIDS patients are being cared for in a "safe house" staffed by volunteers of a group led by Phyu Phyu Thin until she was forced to flee and go into hiding from the authorities.
According to the 88 Generation Students group, U Nandiya is been held under guard at Maha Theik Pan Kyaung in Rangoon's Yankin Township of Rangoon.
The group said that on Sunday the authorities also arrest a lay person, Aung Zaw Win, when he inquired about the fate of the evicted monks.
The crackdown on Buddhist monks, in which more than 3,000 were arrested during and after the September demonstrations, is clearly continuing. Several monks reportedly died in the crackdown and many are still in prison.
The authorities are now reported to be hunting down monks who are following a call by the Alliance of All Burmese Buddhist Monks for a boycott of the annual state-run examinations. The boycott is intended to show solidarity with the monks who participated in the September demonstrations.
Soe Tun, a member of the 88 Generation Students group, said from his hiding place: "Our religion and our entire nation have been insulted [by the regime actions]."
He also accused the State Sangha Mahanayaka Committee of failing in its duty to tackle problems arising in relations between the monasteries and the state.
"From village to national level, the Sangha Mahanayaka has a duty here, but now it only follows government orders," Soe Tun said.
Source: www.irrawaddy.org
Posted 2007-12-04 08:16:23
Maungdaw, Arakan State: A woman has been detained in Nasaka Headquaters in Gyikan Pyin (Kawarbil) in Maundaw Township since November 27, according to a close relative. The victim Amina Khatoon (25) wife of Mohamed Amin, hails from Maung Nama village in Maungdaw township in Arakan State, Burma, he added.
Earlier, Johora Begum (17), daughter of late Abul Hashim, hailing from Maung Nama Alay Rwa (village) in Maungdaw Township died of a heart attack while she was being abducted from her home by Village Peace and Development Council (VPDC) Chairman Zubair, son of Moulvi Siddique of Maung Nama village to physically assault her, said a relative of Johora Begum.
The victim's relative Amina Khatoon (30) and Mahmoda Khatun (35) complained to UNHCR, Township Peace and Development Council (TPDC) Chairman, District PDC Chairman and the headquarters of Nasaka. But no action was taken against the VPDC Chairman, the relative added.
In retaliation, on November 27, at about 10 pm, the VPDC Chairman Zubair (30) accompanied by some Nasaka personnel from Nasaka headquarters of Kowarbil went to Amine's house and hid a mobile phone inside her house. She was arrested for having a mobile phone. She was taken to the Nasaka headquarters. A photograph of her holding a mobile was taken by Nasaka as a record, said a village elder.
At present, she is in the Nasaka camp. Mortaza, the elder brother of village chairman Jubair demanded Kyat 400,000 for her release. According to her relatives, she was tortured in the camp. The Chairman and his elder brother Mortaza are notorious and are into also sorts of corruption in the village encouraged as their by Nasaka, villagers said.
Source: http://www.kaladanpr...t...33&Itemid=2
Posted 2007-12-06 14:47:26
Sutnyod, when posting quoted news please cite the source.
Posted 2007-12-06 20:09:52
Hi,
okay, noted and taken action.
This piece of news is from http://www.burmanet....ting-in-sittwe/ :
Narinjara News: 20 Kyat currency notes with anti-junta writing in Sittwe
Wed 5 Dec 2007
Filed under: News, Inside Burma In an unique movement, a large number of 20 Kyat currency notes scribbled with words denouncing the military junta has been distributed by an unidentified organization in the Arakan State capital Sittwe since mid-November 2007, said an Arakanese politician from the city.
“I heard a monk’s organization was distributing the currency notes urging people to stage demonstrations again in Sittwe without fear,” he said.
On the currency notes the group has used marker pens to write and urge people to stage demonstrations again, to free themselves from the yoke of the military regime that is worse than Hitler’s or Saddam Hussein’s and to be brave and fight the junta.
The politician said the currency notes were distributed in key places in Sittwe, such as intersections and markets, in the early morning hours before people began waking up.
Many people are unwilling to even hold the currency, fearing retribution by the junta if they do, but the 20 Kyat notes are unavoidable as they have spread across the city.
A source said army intelligence is now looking for clues as to which organization might be distributing the notes to people with anti-government statements.
The Burmese military has not dared to withdraw security forces from main locations in Sittwe since such anti-government activities are continuing. Security forces in Sittwe have been recently reinforced by a regiment of riot police brought in from Burma proper last week.
Posted 2007-12-08 13:17:49
[quote name='Mid' post='1566118' date='2007-09-30 11:11:07'][url="http://ko-htike.blogspot.com/"]Saturday, 29 September 2007[/url]
Today heart breaking message from inside burma. (i will publish english translation in writing of this audio very soon)
Telephone conversation with a members of publicEr… they shot… people got killed. Er…but it seems like it wasn't asbad as yesterday in terms of number of deaths, however we will knowthe accurate picture tomorrow. Er… la another disturbing news isthat er… I would like to know if you would inform BBC and CNN about?(sob!!!) They burned the injured protesters/civilian people in theYaeWay Crematorium la la . Er… the staff from crematorium told this,crying, to the people who went to the funeral service. Please letthis known to CNN and BBC. Thank you!!
[url="http://ko-htike.blogspot.com/"]http://ko-htike.blogspot.com/[/url][/quote]
[quote name='Mid' post='1581171' date='2007-10-07 17:32:08'][url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2604151.ece"]Secret cremations hide Burma killings[/url]
Our staff correspondent, Rangoon
From The Sunday Times October 7, 2007
[quote]THE Burmese army has burnt an undetermined number of bodies at a crematorium sealed off by armed guards northeast of Rangoon over the past seven days, ensuring that the exact death toll in the recent pro-democracy protests will never be known.
The secret cremations have been reported by local people who have seen olive green trucks covered with tarpaulins rumbling through the area at night and watched smoke rising continuously from the furnace chimneys.
They say they have watched soldiers in steel helmets blocking off roads to the municipal crematorium and threatening people who poke their heads out of windows overlooking the roads after the 10pm curfew.
Their accounts have been volunteered to international officials and aid workers in Rangoon, Burma’s main city. The consensus in the foreign community is that the consistency of the stories makes them credible.
“There has been no attempt to identify the dead, to return the bodies to their families or to give them even the minimum Buddhist religious rites,” said a foreign official who has collated information on the toll of dead and injured from a wide variety of sources.
Horrifying rumours are sweeping the city that some of those cremated were severely injured people thrust into the ovens alive, but these have been treated with extreme caution by independent observers and have not been verified.
However, it is widely accepted that the cremations began on the night of Friday, September 28, more than 24 hours after soldiers opened fire on unarmed Buddhist monks and civilians demonstrating on the streets of Rangoon.
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timesonline.co.uk
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[quote name='Mid' post='1581219' date='2007-10-07 17:58:20'][url="http://www.uscampaignforburma.org/phone.mp3"]LISTEN HERE[/url]. It is hard to hear this, but please bear witness and don't let these people die in silence and anonymity.
When you click the link it will open a strange looking page -- look for the "play" symbol and press it with your mouse/cursor. It will work.
"(They) shoot. (They) shoot here. (People) die. Today is not brutal like yesterday, I think. But, I will know more accurately tomorrow. Next one, what I am shivering is, please send it BBC and others. At Yay Way (Yay Way Cemetery at the outskirt of Rangoon), injured people are being burnt alive......(Inaudible)......People, who run the burning machine for cremation, spoke with tears to a people who came for a funeral. Send that information to BBC, CNN, etc. Thank you, bye."
*Under normal circumstances, our website only posts information we can confirm. We can not 100% confirm this account, however, because it is wholly consistent with past behavior by Burma's regime (they have burned protestors and monks before) we are posting it anyway and considering it 99% true.*
uscampaignforburma.org[/quote]
[url="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/07/un.myanmar.ap/index.html"][size=4]U.N. raises Myanmar crackdown toll[/size][/url]
updated 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
[quote]GENEVA, Switzerland (AP) -- Myanmar's crackdown on pro-democracy protesters killed more than twice as many people as the junta has acknowledged, a U.N. investigator said Friday, citing at least 31 dead.
The U.N.'s Paulo Sergio Pinheiro shown arriving in Yangon, Myanmar, in November.
Paulo Sergio Pinheiro, the U.N. human rights expert assigned to the country, said he documented 16 people killed in the September crackdown along with the 15 dead already reported by the government.
But he said the actual death toll was likely much higher.
"Several reports of killings indicate that the figure provided by the authorities may greatly underestimate the reality," he said.
"There are a number of incidents where no names were reported but where there were allegations of groups of people reportedly killed, which have also been shared," Pinheiro said in a report released by the U.N. on Friday.
Pinheiro, who visited Myanmar on November 11-15, said "credible sources" reported a large number of bodies wrapped in plastic and rice bags that were burned in the early hours of the final days of September. The burning took place at the Ye Way crematorium in Yangon. Authorities blocked Pinheiro from visiting.
"Sources indicate that it was not usual practice for the crematorium to operate during the hours in question, that normal employees were instructed to keep away, and that the facility was operated on those nights by state security personnel or state-supported groups," Pinheiro said.
At least one report indicated that some of those cremated had shaved heads, indicating they were monks, and some had signs of serious injuries.
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