Hi all, in the process of house build and my local builder has arranged for all materials from his preferred supplier. ie:
Sand 1 ton = 4300 baht
Ballast 1 ton = 4000 baht
Bricks = 50 satang each
Cement = 112 baht per bag
Personally I think this is all reasonable, however my radar was tweaked this morning while on site when I heard builder speaking to delivery driver.
I live in south of Petchabun province.
Any comments appreciated
Billy B.
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Cost Of Buiding Materials
Started by phutoie2, 2007-11-22 21:34
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Titanium Member Posted 2007-11-22 22:40:02
Your sand must be something special....I get a two cubic metre truck of coarse sand (for making concrete) delivered for about 800 baht per load....I don't know for sure what a load weighs but I'm guessing it is 3 tons or so which means it costs me 800/3=266 baht per ton...and you are paying 4300 baht per ton!!!!
If by ballast you mean crushed rock for concrete...I get a two cubic metre truck of crushed rock for concrete delivered and pay 1100 baht. I don't know for sure how much it weighs but I'm guessing is is about 3 tons or so which means it costs me 1100/3=366 baht per ton...and you are paying 4000 baht per ton!!!! #3
Platinum Member Posted 2007-11-22 22:54:36
I just checked what the relatives paid for their materials on a house they built a few months ago.
(puang)Truck load of gravel 4,498 Baht Cement TPI 110 Baht per bag They didn’t record the price of the sand or the bricks although I seem to remember 50 satung being about right for the bricks. #4
Star Member Posted 2007-11-22 23:11:32
I pay 1,000 baht for 2 cu meters of washed, crushed gravel, suitable for making concrete. 900 baht for a truckload of coarse sand, suitable for making concrete (I can't remeber if that's 2 or 3 cu meters). Fine sand for finishing walls is more expensive but I can't remeber by how much. The cement and brick price is just about right, certainly not over prevailing prices.
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Platinum Member Posted 2007-11-22 23:11:58
Here are a few more prices from a few months ago for comparison.
pillar 6x6 4M = 840.00 Baht pillar 5x5 4M = 540.00 Baht bore pipe = 812.00 Baht Cement TPI = 110.00 Baht Roof battens 2*1/2*2.5 M = 407.00 Baht wood 3x1.1/2x2 M = 46.62 Baht plank 1x8x3M = 212.22 Baht plank 1x6x3M = 163.13 Baht eaves = 35.00 Baht Nails = 35.00 Baht hook 5 inch = 58.00 Baht hook 6 inch = 60.00 Baht wood nails 3” bag = 146.00 Baht wood nails 2” bag = 153.00 Baht Turpentine = 81.00 Baht Rust proof = 137.00 Baht oil colour = 296.00 Baht electrical wire = 93.00 Baht steel rod 24 3 hoon = 91.00 Baht steel rod 24 2 hoon = 44.00 Baht wire (4KG) = 98.00 Baht c section steel 4x3.2 = 430.00 Baht c section steel 3x3.3 = 268.00 Baht Roof sheets = 47.50 Baht corner cover = 72.00 Baht lower gable = 79.00 Baht wood 4mm x60 cm x 2.4 m = 68.00 Baht wood 15cm x3 cm x 8 mm = 63.00 Baht Insulation foil = 2,268.00 Baht Edited by Farma, 2007-11-22 23:26:51. #6
Super Member Posted 2007-11-23 07:58:18
Apologies everyone!, some duff gen there from my original post.. I wrote that post last night after my wife handed over latest invoice for delivery of materials. On sleeping on it, and then looking at my Thai/English dictionary this morning, the sand and stones/gravel is priced by the lorry load (ie 1x lot).
Cycled over to the plot this morning and on estimate I would say about 3 to 4 ton piles. Later I will ask my builder (or maybe!) the price of the stuff by ton, however there is always this anguished look on his face when I ask about what everything costs etc. Probably thinking another 'cheapskate charlie'. Its mildly amusing that the builders wife hands over all invoices to my wife and never to me. Our builder is ok, with a good reputation, he has built several good quality houses for farangs and Thai's in this small town. There are many building supply merchants locally but he has his favourite supplier. Recently I have been looking at roof tiles from various outlets, though we are many months away from that stage. I showed him a catologue and price and he laughed 'paeng I can get discount' was his reply. So will have to wait and see on that one. I am on site everyday as I am now retired over here, and I like talking to all the builders and see how work is progressing and they are following my plans & design. Its all interesting and I think the best way for a house building project. There is another farang house in the next Soi and the British chap was never here for any part of the construction, just put all the money in his girlfriends bank account. Its a lovely house, and he only visits once a year. Due out at Christmas, so I look forward to meeting him. Thanks Farma for your information, very useful Billy B. #7
Senior Member Posted 2007-11-24 13:42:36
Here are a few more prices from a few months ago for comparison. pillar 6x6 4M = 840.00 Baht pillar 5x5 4M = 540.00 Baht bore pipe = 812.00 Baht Cement TPI = 110.00 Baht Roof battens 2*1/2*2.5 M = 407.00 Baht wood 3x1.1/2x2 M = 46.62 Baht plank 1x8x3M = 212.22 Baht plank 1x6x3M = 163.13 Baht eaves = 35.00 Baht Nails = 35.00 Baht hook 5 inch = 58.00 Baht hook 6 inch = 60.00 Baht wood nails 3" bag = 146.00 Baht wood nails 2" bag = 153.00 Baht Turpentine = 81.00 Baht Rust proof = 137.00 Baht oil colour = 296.00 Baht electrical wire = 93.00 Baht steel rod 24 3 hoon = 91.00 Baht steel rod 24 2 hoon = 44.00 Baht wire (4KG) = 98.00 Baht c section steel 4x3.2 = 430.00 Baht c section steel 3x3.3 = 268.00 Baht Roof sheets = 47.50 Baht corner cover = 72.00 Baht lower gable = 79.00 Baht wood 4mm x60 cm x 2.4 m = 68.00 Baht wood 15cm x3 cm x 8 mm = 63.00 Baht Insulation foil = 2,268.00 Baht To help me Farma out which part of Thailand is this from. Looking to build in Buriram here have good land full tiltle 2 rai and making plans any advise welcome #8
Platinum Member Posted 2007-11-24 20:01:45
Nicky the building supplies were bought in Ubon and delivered by the hardware shop truck. They contracted local builders to build the house but bought the materials themselves.
Hope that helps Farma #9
Senior Member Posted 2007-11-24 20:23:55
Handy to know what the 'lorry' load is...usually they wotk in cubic meters rather than ton...ie one truckload might be 8cm or such depending on size of truck.
Then it is easy to get the per cm price and compare with various loads as different suppliers use different size trucks. #10
Super Member Posted 2007-11-26 09:44:03
When i built my place every thing came in 5 CBM loads in a 6 wheel dump truck and we paid by the CBM.
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Banjo Picking Member Posted 2007-12-13 19:27:43
A few more costings just to confuse you a little more. Pattaya, maybe a couple of months back.
CEMENT PIPE 10" 300.0 1 3MTR L CHAINDRITE 472.0 ONE TIN CINDER BLOCK 3.7 ONE EACH CONCRETE FLOOR 368.0 5 MTR CONWOOD 80.0 LENGTH CORUGATED STEEL 87.5 1 SHEET DOOR FRAMES 640.0 EACH GRANITE STONE 6569.0 20 TONS KYLEETA WOOD 20.0 LENGTH NAILS 470.0 1 BOX Q CON BLOCK 15.5 ONE BLOCK Q CON GLUE 200.0 ONE BAG ROOF STEEL 130.0 6 MTR SAND 2800.0 TRUCK SHAPED BLOCK 6.0 ONE EACH STEEL 12 MM 195.0 10 MTR STEEL 6 MM 52.0 10 MTR STEEL 9MM 115.0 10 MTR STEEL BINDING WIRE 125.0 1 ROLL STEEL C3 395.0 6 MTR STEEL C4 495.0 6 MTR STEEL C5 585.0 6 MTR CEMENT TIGER 115.0 1 BAG CEMENT RAT 100.0 1 BAG PLASTIC EDGE STRIP 27.0 2.5 MTR C PACKROOF TILES 11.7 EACH C PACK TILE SCREWS 270.0 BOX WOOD for STEEL ENDS 789.0 LENGTH Q CON CEMENT SCREED 85.0 BAG C PACK ROOF BATTENS 130.0 EACH C PACK BATTEN SCREWS 350.0 BOX Rat cement just went up to 110 a bag Q Con is also up to around 18 baht #12
Banjo Picking Member Posted 2007-12-13 21:38:40
Hi all, in the process of house build and my local builder has arranged for all materials from his preferred supplier. ie: Sand 1 ton = 4300 baht Ballast 1 ton = 4000 baht Bricks = 50 satang each Cement = 112 baht per bag Personally I think this is all reasonable, however my radar was tweaked this morning while on site when I heard builder speaking to delivery driver. I live in south of Petchabun province. Any comments appreciated Billy B. Your sand is over price. The largest trucks you see around full of sand only charge 2800 I just paid a bill. Small red bricks are charged by weight, not each. Granite is now 9600 for 20 tons The only correct price you have is the cement, that must be RAT. Maybe things are more expensive up country  You need to take your plans into a builders merchant and get a written quote off it valid for xxdays. Then buy all the material yourself and pay the builder for labor only at around 4000 a meter. Building merchants buy sand and granite from the quarry or pit. Go to the source, they will supply you direct at the same price as the builders merchant. Or talk to the guy that drives the truck I suspect he would be a free lance trucker and will deliver to you direct. Edited by Rimmer, 2007-12-13 21:48:45. #13
Super Member Posted 2007-12-13 22:21:36
If you read my second post on the subject of building supplies I am now know more on my costings.
I am getting 10 ton of sand for 4300 baht and 10 ton of stones for 4000 baht. So you have cheap sand but my ballast is cheaper! Red bricks were 3 for one baht in 2001 but are now 2 for one baht in 2007, no mention of weight on my invoices. Different grades of cement have been used and so far prices are, 95, 112, 118, 120 baht. The truck driver is employed by the builders merchant, I have no intention of driving all the way down to Saraburi quarries to quibble over a few baht. I paid 500 baht a lorry load of earth fill, in Prachin Buri its 800 baht per truck. There seems to be many regional differences. [/quote] #14
Senior Member Posted 2007-12-16 06:58:12
Our builder is ok, with a good reputation, he has built several good quality houses for farangs and Thai's in this small town. There are many building supply merchants locally but he has his favourite supplier. Recently I have been looking at roof tiles from various outlets, though we are many months away from that stage. I showed him a catologue and price and he laughed 'paeng I can get discount' was his reply. So will have to wait and see on that one. Be very careful when letting your builder select building materials for you, especially crucial one like roof tiles. He might opt for the inferior material because he can get a heftier commission and you'll be stuck with an inferior roof. Just my two satang. Mike #15
Member me? Posted 2007-12-16 07:54:14
We ware just about to try to figure out the cost of pouring a concrete floor.
Does any one here know what the square meter cost would be for say a 8-10cm thick floor. I think I am looking at about 36 square meters overall. I am only concerned about material cost not labour. #16
Platinum Member Posted 2007-12-19 20:24:20
I think the relatives paid just under 1700 Baht a cubic metre for premixed concrete delivered by cement truck. That didn't include labor costs for the work.
Hope that helps. Edited by Farma, 2007-12-19 20:29:10. #17
Tropical Member Posted 2007-12-20 14:16:28
Anyone know what the price for galvanized or plastic coated galvanized chain link goes for per meter. we need enough to do 1 & 1/2 Rai. we found quotes of 100-120 baht per meter, does not matter if it is 1 meter 1 & 1/2 meters 2 meters same price no discount. Sounds fishy! I am in the Pattaya area but would get a truck to bkk to bring down. From what the sites in China say they are marking the price up by 300+% from what they are selling to the local suppliers. Anyone know how much & where to purchace . I have 2 more weeks before we install the materials?
Thanks guys Beadog #18
Member me? Posted 2007-12-22 00:27:21
I think the relatives paid just under 1700 Baht a cubic metre for premixed concrete delivered by cement truck. That didn't include labor costs for the work. Hope that helps. #19
Tropical Member Posted 2007-12-29 15:55:49
The cost for Galvanized chain link fence is 120 baht a meter (all the same price) up to 2 meters high comes in 10 meter rolls 100 baht a meter for the real loose knit(worthless) Chain link. No discount if your Thai girl goes in to negotiate & you are not seen!Same Same.
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Titanium Member Posted 2007-12-29 18:40:58
The cost for Galvanized chain link fence is 120 baht a meter (all the same price) up to 2 meters high comes in 10 meter rolls 100 baht a meter for the real loose knit(worthless) Chain link. No discount if your Thai girl goes in to negotiate & you are not seen!Same Same. Chownah #21
Tropical Member Posted 2007-12-30 11:12:11
The cost for Galvanized chain link fence is 120 baht a meter (all the same price) up to 2 meters high comes in 10 meter rolls 100 baht a meter for the real loose knit(worthless) Chain link. No discount if your Thai girl goes in to negotiate & you are not seen!Same Same. Chownah #22
Senior Member Posted 2008-01-01 08:50:42
Noticed they had some in Global House in Udon yesterday with pricing more like what you'd expect. 10 meters rolls, #10 wire, 2" mesh, per roll: 1.2 meter high - 1328 baht, 1.5 meter - 1420, 1.8 meter - 1670.
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Tropical Member Posted 2008-01-01 10:58:56
I guess 1200 baht for 10 meters isn't a bad price for the 1.5 meter roll! same #10 wire, 2" mesh.
Edited by Beardog, 2008-01-01 11:01:33. #24
Super Member Posted 2008-01-02 14:07:05
I am on site everyday as I am now retired over here, and I like talking to all the builders and see how work is progressing and they are following my plans & design. Its all interesting and I think the best way for a house building project. There is another farang house in the next Soi and the British chap was never here for any part of the construction, just put all the money in his girlfriends bank account. Its a lovely house, and he only visits once a year. Due out at Christmas, so I look forward to meeting him. I'd be interested to hear also about the necessity of being on site everyday. The general consensus is that it's necessary, however if you're working full time like myself it isn't possible. I'm a plumber by trade, my father is a builder so I grow up around tradesman, most of whom were self employed. I've never met one who liked owners watching them and asking questions while they worked. They all find it distracting and even dangerous. Regular visits and chats about the job were welcome, but being constantly watched and questioned wasn't. It gave them the feeling of distrust. Considering that the general distrust of builders that exists here, I'm curious how the fell about all the monitoring while they work. #25
Titanium Member Posted 2008-01-02 16:18:32
I built my own house by hiring between two and four local village workers at various times. In the beginning I was on site every day and doing work right along with my workers. My situation was perhaps different because I was working along with them but they didn't seem to mind me watching what they were doing.
1. Part of the time I was watching to see how they did certain things. We were building a traditional village house in (more or less) the traditional way with me making all the design decisions. Since I had never done this type of construction before (post and beam) and had never built in Thailand before it was natural for me to ask questions about how and what they were doing....this may have made it easier for me to watch them closely and I recommend that anyone doing the overseeing to try to establish this as your motive i.e. you are learning what and how they do it in Thailand. 2. When seeing something has been done wrong DO NOT JUST WALK UP TO THE DEFECTIVE WORK, POINT AT IT, AND SAY "MAI DEE". "Mai Dee" means "not good" and is what Thais use to mean "bad". To just walk up and pronouce this is insulting to them and causes alot of tension and general bad feelings. Do what ever you can to approach corrective action in a different way. Maybe start by saying that you have never seen it done that way before....this will mesh with your established motive as mentioned in #1 above that you are seeing how they do things. Then maybe discuss the advantages of doing it that way...or if you can't see any advantages then ask them what they are. Discuss alternatives such as the way you have seen it done before in other Thai homes or back in your own country or in books or on the internet.....keep the discussion light, friendly, and if possible an exchange of information between equals. Then work your way around to deciding that you want it a particular way and explain what that way is...be sure they understand as even though they will make gestures and say things to indicate that they understand they still might not. Maybe help them do some of it or at least monitor them closely acting as a helper while they institute the activity your way. Even if they start doing correctly you should probably monitor again after a couple of hours (maybe less depending on the complexity and how important it is for the task to be done right the first time etc.) and if the work must continue the next day its good to show up in the morning and be sure they get started doing it your way still. Your workers might think about the way you told them to do it and decide that they can improve on your method.....but they won't necessarily tell you they have "improved the method"...they may decide that you don't need as many nails using your method so simply leave some out thinking its ok and is actually good because it will save on nails and time. Chownah |
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