Farangflyer,
Opinion(s) is one thing, accusation is another....
Forum(s) have rules up to a certain point, over ....LAW prevails.
Game is over, G.....: you overpass the limit.
Every move you make , every step you take I'll be watching you.!!!!!!!!!!!Ummm Me thinks somebody was watching somebodoy else. In this case one plus one equals THREE!!!!
i HOPE thats not too criptic for you!!
As you are so keen to watch other people you seem to forget that others are watching you!!!!People who you do not see, they are there though
I hope that this is understood by you............
I see since my last post it appears that my fan base has grown exponentially and I have been receiving many pm's asking for another round of news on the IAC fiasco.
So to all my loyal fans and many enemies (you know who you are), I will deliver le goods:
It now appears that the highly respected and very experienced Syrian/French JAA Flight Instructor / Examiner that was able to give no much to IAC after three similar qualified Flight Instructors were sacked, has fallen out with his good friend the PRINCIPAL. He now no longer has the services of the PRINCIPAL of IAC to act as his personal taxi driver to and from the Airport. But the bad news does not stop. It now appears that he has been asked to resign and so gave his three months notice. No big deal, you would think as he is respecting his contract. Ahh but that is the rub, it now appears only 6 weeks into his notice period that the PRINCIPAL of IAC is going to continue his streak of gross stupidity and now has sacked this well respected and much loved Flight Instructor in order to save money. Not that this is the first time of course. (From sources close to the main event, the IAC PRINCIPAL sent the Syrian Flight Instructor a memo saying he had been sacked with extreme pleasure & then the IAC PRINCIPAL locked himself in his office so he would not need to talk to that Instructor). Sounds like a soap opera doesn't it!
So it appears that a foreigner in a position of authority working for a Govt department such as a University does not have to respect contracts signed with any foreign staff member or to respect Labor Law. Staff can be sacked without a reason immediately for the slightest misconduct (wearing the wrong colored socks) as secretly reported by the Head of Training / Acting Chief Flying Instructor / Acting Standards Manager & Acting Safety Manager. Additionally, no compensation or salary for the month worked needs to be paid either.
A very sad fact I am sure all would agree. And I will take this opportunity to wish all incoming foreign Flight Instructors to the Isaan Aero Club to enjoy your short stay in Nakhon Phanom. Udon Thani is just down the road but don't tell the IAC PRINCIPAL that you are going or you will be sorry.
JBS
PS: Please no more PM's from my fans. But my enemies can keep on sending. Your comments have been noted and will be fodder for future posts.
It would be interesting to see how many postings this topic would receive if it was t/fd to the general forum which must have a bigger audience. Not a lot of members are interested in Isaan events except for those who are live there.
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Well NAMKONG789, looks like you have just volunteered to add a link to this discussion on the main forum! Cheers!
Screamingdemond, perhaps you should change your username to 'Nixon'! I wonder who should be nominated as Edgar Hoover! lol
It really seems a case of 'Big Brother is watching' over there! But is there a Watergate scandal on the horizon too???
Shouldn't someone suggest that less time spying on peoples personal lives, and more time spend on actual management should produce better results?
toptuan you are probably right there in most situations! However, if two managers were to agree with certain conditions and standards in the presence of a customer, one would expect them to honour this agreement, not simply pay lip service to it. Personally speaking, I am a man of my word.
JohnnyBS, interesting posts. If I am down in your neck of the woods, I will be sure to PM you.
NEWS UPDATE: I heard from some contacts in Qatar today that they are sending one of their senior managers to visit IAC to investigate various allegations. There were mutterings about safety concerns, lack of English language skills from certain flight instructors, and even bribery (something to do with mobile phones and mopeds believe it or not!) Are any of the current IAC pilots able to shed any light on this, or is this just malicious rumour?
Also heard that captains were been pulled up my the flt engineer recently and told not to discuss ANYTHING from IAC with outsiders! Is this true? If so, what is he trying to hide?
Farang Flyer, recently I have met two of your previous employers; you are classified as a notorious troublemaker: unfortunately we do not have get this information before hiring you.
I must admit to the fact you are an artist in twisting events.
Sorry for the delay in full response to this post of yours old chap!
However, today I had emails from two of my ex-employers, who told me that they had recently spoken to a raving idiot intent on bad mouthing me! I will not post here the other comments that were made by them!!! I will leave it to your vivid imagination!
You should really be more careful who you talk to and what you say mi ami!
about bribery, there is in the lot a student who didn't qualify to continue the course and has been send back home when he was in qatar aeronautical college.
this student has been sent back to the flight line because his family know an Emir from Qatar.
The training file of this student is disastrous, after 30 hours, he was not sent solo, poor recommendation from his ex FIs.
When he arrived in IAC, he tried to bribe his new flight instructor who is highly qualified. He refused to sign him off and the student start to bitch against his flight instructor and did a bad report to the Principal.
the flight instructor has been forced to fly by the principal after he got a letter stating he is not at the standard of IAC and he will be sack , the flight instructor told to the school that as long he is not at the standard of the school, he can not legaly fly.
qatar students and all instructors know this story.This bad student has continued to bribe thai instructors by offering his motorbike.
I dont want to p**s on your bonfire, but you really should know better than to complain about corruption, personally i think it is really just sour grapes because you didn't think of it first young man .
Then again, allowing this sort of behaviour to even start is just a reflection of the the flying school manager (Head of Training) and his policy towards the instructors he chooses to recommend to the Principal for employment. Of course if this is really happening as you say, then the person to be held accountable is ultimately the Principal. But it appears he is isolating himself from all other farang and is ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. (There is similiar behaviour in China with the quality scandal going on. This was why the known problems were not reported for so long.) Are you really surprised? Do you think anybody really cares about this particular issue in IAC?
If all the students and flight instructors know about this, is anybody going to stick their neck out and make an official complaint? Will there be an inquiry to find out if this accusation is correct? Of course not. Why? Somebody could be blamed. Hey somebody could lose that motorcycle. There are too many compromised self interest parties in IAC.
Grow up young man!
PS: Thanks again for all the hate PM's, you fodder has been noted. Keep it coming . . . . you horrible bad people out there.
I have heard that the foreign flight instructor involved in this alledged incident was not the first but he was of superior character and had the smarts to realise that selling out for a very visible motorskooter in exchange for putting his licence and career on the line for a student of questionable character was just not a risk he was prepared to take. However, it now appears that the Head of Training appointed flight instructors will accept these sorts of gifts. It has also been rumoured that these flight instructors will also accept handphones for the task of giving out top grades to cadets.
Now are these the sort of pilots you want driving your plane when you travel to USA or England? I think i will now travel on British Airways. The airline you can trust to get you there!
And to those airlines considering IAC to train their pilots; maybe just a bag of fruit would be a better gift to give the instructors for all their help.
And to the foreign student from the sandpit who offered these gifts. Hey, you were being too gererous. No one respects that!
As an impartial observer of these postings and the amazing things that appear to happening
behind the scenes.
It seems typical of something that has been established to fulfil an ego
and sourced by public funds.
I wish this Aviation academy all the luck in the world.
It will need it in the absence of good management.
Just a shame it is not operated by Real pilots,not egotistical desk jockeys.
Hey Thaistudent
Yes i have been paid for august & sept. And in real dollars too. Obviously you are fishing or think i have some connection the mess in the NE Thailand. In situations like this i am thankful i am not a professional pilot. If you are a student there as the Principal thinks you are, i truly pity you. Looks like you backed the wrong school and believed the PR from a foreigner. Truly Sad
justcruisin: Luck isn't going to cut it. They are staying open due to political reasons. I know they must have more staff arriving, but for every foreign FI the HoT brings in more locals that cant speak english.
News: the Dean of the Aviation Department has just quit. No 3 months notice. Just walked out, sighting personal reasons. Yeah Right! Is this a common practice for senior thai management to do?
Hey Thaistudent
Yes i have been paid for august & sept. And in real dollars too. Obviously you are fishing or think i have some connection the mess in the NE Thailand. In situations like this i am thankful i am not a professional pilot. If you are a student there as the Principal thinks you are, i truly pity you. Looks like you backed the wrong school and believed the PR from a foreigner. Truly Sad
justcruisin: Luck isn't going to cut it. They are staying open due to political reasons. I know they must have more staff arriving, but for every foreign FI the HoT brings in more locals that cant speak english.
News: the Dean of the Aviation Department has just quit. No 3 months notice. Just walked out, sighting personal reasons. Yeah Right! Is this a common practice for senior thai management to do?
JBS!
my question was not for you JohnyBS, but for all IAC staff.
This is now over 1 year we are in this school, and we don't see the end.
We want finish our training, standards of our school are far below minimum.
Do you know exactly why the Dean left?
Thaistudent 2000 is not one of our first 3 Thai students (They are very happy by their trainining and are very busy in preparing their examinations) Thaistudent2000 (as JohnnyBS) is obviously one of the sacked instructors.
Asian Frog;
Hahahahahaha
You swallowed the bait! You think i am one of the sacked teachers.
But based on this self-delusion of the facts to make them fit the theory, we can now expect you to publically trash this teacher.
It would be better, if you just hopped back under your rock. But you wont will you. You want the last word dont you.
So Mr PRINCIPAL - International Aviation College, go for it. Lets now hear the real story about all these sacked Teachers. This is your opportunity to set the record straight. To crucify these former employees of a govt school with your bias. I would be interested to know about what these guys did too. (your version) Am sure we all would. The ball is in your court . . . . . . . . .
Hey is this thread fun or what? Would anybody else like to trash these former Teachers.
Thaistudent;
No i dont know why the Dean quit. Maybe he didnt want his name to be associated with IAC anymore. But expect to see another bump in the hall carpet.
JBS
PS: AF: Love your last PM. Did the Head of Training really say that. Wow!
We still live in a shit hole and eat rice everyday...
our best foreign instructors have been sacked and we fly with thai instructors who can barely speak English and are not instructor but kind of ex military pilot with no instructor experience.
Training is slow, and we don't see the end.
IAC is a nightmare, and we all think we did a mistake to join this crappy university.
This school has now a so bad reputation, that thai Airways will laugh at us...
IAC has screwed our life.
We stay here, becasue our money (over 80000US$) has been (badly)invested.
If we were enrolled in another school, we would be flying for an airline now.
The controversy is set by a bunch of young guys more interested by Udon Thani Night Clubs and Karaoke than by training their students and they are very good flyers on the white board, but it is another thing in real conditions in the rainy season!
has Mr Principal something to hide in Udon Thani?.
we have eared that all "sacked" flight instructors have found jobs in very good flight schools with much better standards than IAC.
The controversy is set by a bunch of young guys more interested by Udon Thani Night Clubs and Karaoke than by training their students and they are very good flyers on the white board, but it is another thing in real conditions in the rainy season!
has Mr Principal something to hide in Udon Thani?.
we have eared that all "sacked" flight instructors have found jobs in very good flight schools with much better standards than IAC.
I didnt see any reference to Udon Thani in IAC's new advert appearing on You Tube......
Maybe it would have made the clip too lively!
(Is this your work Jonny BS? or perhaps another?....Anyway, rather amusing!)
All seems to be quiet there recently.
Is that due to the court summons that they have just been issued with?
Or perhaps due to rumours that no money to pay November salary to staff due to current political crisis in Thailand?
I have been told that only 3 aircraft are flying at the moment, the rest have all been grounded. Anyone know why?
Also that a new aircraft (Extra) has just been bought! Wonder where the money came from to buy that. But more importantly is it going to be used? Or will it join the other 10 aircraft at the Nakhon Phanom Static aircraft display!???
very interesting reading .
it certainly , gives the few farangs ,
in sleepy nakhon , something different to chat about .
{ i have heard all the moans , about wifes , and girl friends , sure}
farang flyer ,
where can i buy decent bread in nakhon , ??
and please , not tesco.
very interesting reading .
it certainly , gives the few farangs ,
in sleepy nakhon , something different to chat about .
{ i have heard all the moans , about wifes , and girl friends , sure}
farang flyer ,
where can i buy decent bread in nakhon , ??
and please , not tesco.
IAC is now down. Airplanes and sims will be bought by another company, and thai instructors relocated to another functions.Unpaid foreign instructors can simply make their bag and leave.
Sadly and regrettably it's the end of a "megalodream" created by a french desillusionist megalomanager who in fact have hurt the economy of Thailand.
How much this mess has costed at the end , answer:probably several millions of $,considering that Thai people have to survive with 100-200 bahts a day; this is simply scandalous and in my point of my thai view , managment should be sued by the government itself for mismanagement.(Who do you think they will go after?)
After this mega FLOP, we can ask ourselves if the ministry will allows other flight schools in the country.
IAC has simply hurt everyone.In the past and in the future, there won't be another flight schools for probably several years.
very interesting reading .
it certainly , gives the few farangs ,
in sleepy nakhon , something different to chat about .
{ i have heard all the moans , about wifes , and girl friends , sure}
farang flyer ,
where can i buy decent bread in nakhon , ??
and please , not tesco.
IAC is now down. Airplanes and sims will be bought by another company, and thai instructors relocated to another functions.Unpaid foreign instructors can simply make their bag and leave.
Sadly and regrettably it's the end of a "megalodream" created by a french desillusionist megalomanager who in fact have hurt the economy of Thailand.
How much this mess has costed at the end , answer:probably several millions of $,considering that Thai people have to survive with 100-200 bahts a day; this is simply scandalous and in my point of my thai view , managment should be sued by the government itself for mismanagement.(Who do you think they will go after?)
After this mega FLOP, we can ask ourselves if the ministry will allows other flight schools in the country.
IAC has simply hurt everyone.In the past and in the future, there won't be another flight schools for probably several years.
Thank you for this update. I look forward to seeing this news of "closure" confirmed in the press shortly. Is there a date for closure or has it already happened, in which case the press have been caught napping, as there's obviously several stories surrounding this debacle.
When this college was first announced and Asian Frog appeared on the scene all bright-eyed and bushy tailed (an interesting image to conjure with for a frog admittedly ), I pointed out that IAC was the pipe dream of Chavalit and other powerful NE Thai forces within Thaksin's TRT party, and Asian Frog got all steamed up denying that this couldn't possibly be the case and it was all above board and kosher with no political influence whatsoever.
At the time, I let it go and thought let's see if this ambitious project can get off the ground and be made to work, with political will and good management behind it. But then as Asian Frog started posting more paranoid and delusional posts on this board, and other posters confirmed that things were going seriously awry, I knew that this project was doomed for sure and it was only a matter of time before it went belly up.
The chances of anyone being held responsible for this massive waste of money and resources is about as about as high as the odds of it snowing in Nakhon Phanom this year, but at least the present govt have had the sense to see it as an old nag of a project and pulled the plug. Better late than never. The fall from grace of Chavalit since Oct 7th (and other ex-Thaksinophiles in the area) may also have been a contributing factor to closing it.
But all this is speculation, until an official news release confirms its demise. Any newshounds in the general area of Nakhon Phanom want an interesting scoop?
Nobody is really interested by IAC except Qatar airline.
What some people don't know: Qatar rents the planes from IAC for a ridiculous price.
For each hour flown, the thai government is making a gift to Qatar.
From my source, the plane costs 150$/hour with a flight instructor at IAC. Other schools charge 200-300$/hour.
IAC has over 50 employees which cost over 100'000$/months.
At this rate, IAC can not and won't never make any money.
The sad thing is that Qatar students are not really learning to fly here, they do time building only(they need 150 hours before to come back to Qatar). It means the sit in the plane, and the flight instructor flies the planes.
Students are(during cruise) authorized to follow the movement of the flight controls.This give them a sens of flying, but IAC doesn't train airline pilots nor privat pilot.
They don't give ground school or flight briefings.
It has been known, as thai instructors don't know to read/ write/ speak english, they ask simply their "students" to grade themselves in their progress book.
I want to ad that Qatar students are not sent by Qatar airlines, but by the Qatar Academy.Qatar Academy has too many students so they send some of their guys to thailand to make time building.
If the school is still there, it's simply because the Thai governement is too ashamed to recognise their fiasco , and have decided to pursue in their mistake by continuing to throw money from the windows.
Their plan is to receive an airbus 320 simulator, then a Boeing 737 , and a MD80 as well for the cost of 45 millions US$.
This is really bad planed considering the actual crisis, but as long the governement want make fun of their Thai citizen, and instead give the money to a crazy french manager to persist in his dream, eh?why not?as long there is money, there is hope!
Thai people don't need to be educated anyway...they prefer to have nice little planes flying over their head so some frenchies can play behind their office as "aviation manager".
Nobody is really interested by IAC except Qatar airline.
What some people don't know: Qatar rents the planes from IAC for a ridiculous price.
For each hour flown, the thai government is making a gift to Qatar.
From my source, the plane costs 150$/hour with a flight instructor at IAC. Other schools charge 200-300$/hour.
IAC has over 50 employees which cost over 100'000$/months.
At this rate, IAC can not and won't never make any money.
The sad thing is that Qatar students are not really learning to fly here, they do time building only(they need 150 hours before to come back to Qatar). It means the sit in the plane, and the flight instructor flies the planes.
Students are(during cruise) authorized to follow the movement of the flight controls.This give them a sens of flying, but IAC doesn't train airline pilots nor privat pilot.
They don't give ground school or flight briefings.
It has been known, as thai instructors don't know to read/ write/ speak english, they ask simply their "students" to grade themselves in their progress book.
I want to ad that Qatar students are not sent by Qatar airlines, but by the Qatar Academy.Qatar Academy has too many students so they send some of their guys to thailand to make time building.
If the school is still there, it's simply because the Thai governement is too ashamed to recognise their fiasco , and have decided to pursue in their mistake by continuing to throw money from the windows.
Their plan is to receive an airbus 320 simulator, then a Boeing 737 , and a MD80 as well for the cost of 45 millions US$.
This is really bad planed considering the actual crisis, but as long the governement want make fun of their Thai citizen, and instead give the money to a crazy french manager to persist in his dream, eh?why not?as long there is money, there is hope!
Thai people don't need to be educated anyway...they prefer to have nice little planes flying over their head so some frenchies can play behind their office as "aviation manager".
Interesting few posts THAISTUDENT2000
I myself would not be surprised if the end is near at Nakhon Phanom. However I doubt that the end will occur while the Qatari students remain there.
As regards the costing per hour, you quote $150 per hour with Instructor. The actual figure is much lower than that. The information that I had at the time was that Thai senior management set the target of 150 Euro per hour, however, the Megalo-managers negotiating skills were sadly lacking on the day, and the figure agreed was almost 40% lower than this (allegedly!)!
You state 'If the school is still there, it's simply because the Thai governement is too ashamed to recognise their fiasco , and have decided to pursue in their mistake by continuing to throw money from the windows.'
I doubt that this is the case at the moment. The new government in Thailand would appear to be taking great interest in costly projects created in the Taksin era. The Thai VIP card (1m Baht) which was recently scrapped by the government is an example of this. I expect the new goverment is going through the 'books' for these government funded projects with a fine toothcomb, as we type!
As regards the A320 simulator on-site. The IAC website claim that the A320 is used for 'Multi Crew Co-operation Training (MCC)' However, MCC is a uniquely European (JAA) course. Therefore this course can only be given by a flight training organisation approved by a JAA member state (which IAC is not), and the certificate can only be ussued on a JAA existing licence holder. Also, after examination of the Thai DCA regulations for licencing, it would appear that they do not recognise an MCC course! And since none of the current trainees at IAC neither hold or are in training for a JAA licence, seems like the A320 simulator was a huge waste of money! How much did it cost again Asian Frog???? Oh, and neither has it been approved for type rating training, so it can not be used for training new airbus pilots for airlines! I note that it is being run by 'experienced ex-airline training captain' Whom may this be?
Additionally I am told that the Extra 300 has been grounded since arriving in Nakhon Phanom almost 6 months ago! Again, another piece of expensive equipment that is not being utilised. The Extra 300 was made famous by aerobatic competition events, and the red bull air race! It is a huge overstep being used within an ab-initio training environment. And yet again, I find within the Thai DCA regualtions that aerobatic training is not a requirement for airline pilot training, nor for a Thai Commercial Pilots Licence to be issued! Seems to me to be yet another waste of money!
Anyway, I think I have given my fair share of information, and now I am looking for some information in return......! A local lawyer in Nakhon Phanom informed me today that there are 8 outstanding legal cases against IAC! I know 2 of the claimants, but that leaves 6! Aparently its a mix of Thai and Farang claimants! The suspense is killing me.....I am sure I must know some of those involved.....can anyone shed some light.......??????
Local Carriers have inspected our set up and are generally very pleased, but it takes time to decide and also the current situation is not favourable. Each team has to report to its management, function of the expansion plan to decide about the recruitment and training. They have also current contracts to respect before switching to an other training institution: so it takes time....
And also, some opponents / competitors are actively lobbying against us in the Airlines boards; Farangflyer are you one of them? No, because they are not polemical, they use softer methods.
After reading your posts, taking into account some details, you can only be one of the sacked Farang Instructors....
Seems like thaistudent was being a bit premature in calling IAC's demise. Which is why I was a bit cautious in believing your report, as illuminating as it was in other respects.
So IAC will struggle on as a lame duck flying school until the Qatar contract finishes (any date?), as I understand it, after which it could be a flying school with no students at all by the looks of things. Or maybe there is a Plan B by the authorities to save it and face? Or is that irreperably damaged?
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Asian Frog, on 2008-09-20 19:46:10, said:
Would anybody else like to trash these former Teachers. 
