I visit another Thai gay forum, mostly lurking . I usually read all the threads and leave , There is one topic at the moment going hot , Its about Yaba and its users. I did not know what yaba is, but reading all the posts I think its something to do with speed and other amphetamine sort of drugs. Some of them replied that the use of this particular drug has gone up to 3000% and most of them are Thai gay men. I am not sure about any of those statistics if they are correct, One of the posters claimed that 70 percent chances are your Thai BF is an user of Yaba. I dont know if any of this make sense or just another load of bulls**t.
Yaba
Started by dadboy, 2008-01-21 07:50
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pauln
Senior Member Posted 2008-01-21 11:28:48
Yaba ("Crazy Drug") is very common in Thailand. It's a combination of methamphetamine (a powerful and addictive stimulant) and caffeine. Over the years, I have come across a good number of young men in bars, including the so-called non commercial bars, who are users, and often the bar owners have no idea. Its readily available in clubs and discos, plus stories say that it is widespread in some schools and universities. However, I would not think that "most" users are gay - it's evenly spread, and on the increase.
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Ijustwannateach
Star Member Posted 2008-01-21 16:25:06
AFAIK, no one that I or any of my friends has dated has been an illegal substance abuser, though I'm aware that it's out there and the effects can be seen in the clubs. Might be a matter of the company the guy who made that comment keeps.
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pauln
Senior Member Posted 2008-01-21 17:39:10
None of my friends (Thai or Farang) are users, and neither is my mature bf. I'm just an observer who notes what goes on around me.
#5
Ijustwannateach
Star Member Posted 2008-01-22 01:46:05
(just to be clear- "the guy" in my last message means "the [anonymous forum] guy" quoted by the OP, not you, Pauln!)
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farang prince
Farang Prince Posted 2008-01-22 02:21:27
YaBa is a very serious problem in Thailand and its use is continuing to grow, especially among the young population. I've talked to a number of high-ranking officers with the Royal Thai Police and they are very concerned about the increase in use of YaBa. The problem is that the drug is cheap and it can be easily made in the rural areas of Thailand. The recent killings of three Royal Thai policemen was the direct result of YaBa abuse by the offenders.
I don't think YaBa abuse is targeting any specific social group in Thailand (other than low income groups) but my partner has told me that it is decimating the ladyboy sector of the Thai population. She is in a position to know. #7
ProThaiExpat
Platinum Member Posted 2008-01-22 09:18:47
Speed was the most abused drug in the U.S. when I left six years ago and a major problem and it can be cooked up in any kitchen so there is no importation and DEA involvement until you get caught.
Very addictive and life ruining. As Thailand becomes more urbanized, it can look forward to a similar problem. A true scourge of modern society. #8
farang prince
Farang Prince Posted 2008-01-22 11:34:49
Speed was the most abused drug in the U.S. when I left six years ago and a major problem and it can be cooked up in any kitchen so there is no importation and DEA involvement until you get caught. Very addictive and life ruining. As Thailand becomes more urbanized, it can look forward to a similar problem. A true scourge of modern society. DEA friends of mine say YaBa is stronger and more addictive than the bathtub methamphetamines manufactured in the USA. Shabu, which is the Filipino version, is also called "Ice" and it is heavily used by a lot of young people, including a high percentage of gay men and shemales. Like YaBa, it is usually smoked. And one Shabu-laced cigarette will keep someone in the fast lane for more than a day. #9
Scott
Star Member Posted 2008-01-23 13:49:44
Hmm.....something that will keep me in the fast lane for a day. I'll have to think about that since I spend too much time in the slow lane and I keep getting rear-ended!
#10
simcity
Super Member Posted 2008-01-23 16:30:39
I do not believe this article is about ‘ yaba ‘ not the ‘yaba’ of 5- 10 years ago.
It is, I believe about ice yaba : ice / meth / tina Drug has gone up to 3000%, that is ice for sure. It is related drug, but not the same use / need / result A lot of guys using ice / meth, you can see them in gay.com and all over the place. Well if you have a bf coming back home and wanting sex for hours, yes perhaps he is on it ! #11
peter991
Living in OZ, dreaming of LOS Posted 2008-01-26 09:44:13
From my observations, ya-ba is not readily available in remote areas of Thailand, but very common in tourist zones. It is used by many Thais in the entertainment, construction and transport industries to 'keep them going longer.' The use of ya-ba increases up to 10 times the amount of dopamine produced by the brain. Dopamine is the pleasure/reward drug produced naturally by the brain.
No doubt you have been in a taxi at some stage and been driven by the 'driver from hel_l' whose body is awake, but brain is not. I did 2 days ago and it was scary! Because of the small body size of most Thai guys, ya-ba has a long-lasting effect. Whereas cocaine could give a 30 minute hit, ya-ba's effects often last longer than 12 hours. They don't call it 'crazy drug' for nothing. Peter #12
lazeeboy
Titanium Member Posted 2008-01-26 09:54:39
yaba is one of the most addicted drugs on the market ,i've seen good people staight and gay get hooked and become agressive and resort to stealing for there next pill.......
#13
MART
Advanced Member Posted 2008-01-26 20:15:43
yaba is one of the most addicted drugs on the market ,i've seen good people staight and gay get hooked and become agressive and resort to stealing for there next pill....... Waww, a drug which is addicted! No less! Apart from using the wrong word, you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. #14
bangkokrick
Remember this member Posted 2008-01-26 22:08:21
yaba is one of the most addicted drugs on the market ,i've seen good people staight and gay get hooked and become agressive and resort to stealing for there next pill....... Waww, a drug which is addicted! No less! Apart from using the wrong word, you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. The name in Thai equates to 'medicine crazy' in English. I am sure that the Thais are right about this having seen some of the results of the users. Rick #15
MART
Advanced Member Posted 2008-01-26 23:05:10
yaba is one of the most addicted drugs on the market ,i've seen good people staight and gay get hooked and become agressive and resort to stealing for there next pill....... Waww, a drug which is addicted! No less! Apart from using the wrong word, you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. The name in Thai equates to 'medicine crazy' in English. I am sure that the Thais are right about this having seen some of the results of the users. Rick Hi Rick, I regret you mistook my post for an expression of aggressiveness. No I am not on yaba, nor am I suffering from withdrawal symptoms by the way. Furthermore I was not over-reacting to a "simple spelling mistake" (as you call it yourself) which only made me smile for a while but far more to the second part of lazeeboy's post. I am fed up with people bringing forward arguments on matters of which they have absolutely no knowledge. Yaba undoubtedly is extremely harmful but claiming that it is addictive (in its 'traditional' meaning, i.e. physically addictive) is, to say the least, questionable and using arguments like "I saw someone doing this and doing that" intellectually poor! I like people to stick to facts. #16
bangkokrick
Remember this member Posted 2008-01-27 01:09:40
yaba is one of the most addicted drugs on the market ,i've seen good people staight and gay get hooked and become agressive and resort to stealing for there next pill....... Waww, a drug which is addicted! No less! Apart from using the wrong word, you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. The name in Thai equates to 'medicine crazy' in English. I am sure that the Thais are right about this having seen some of the results of the users. Rick Hi Rick, I regret you mistook my post for an expression of aggressiveness. No I am not on yaba, nor am I suffering from withdrawal symptoms by the way. Furthermore I was not over-reacting to a "simple spelling mistake" (as you call it yourself) which only made me smile for a while but far more to the second part of lazeeboy's post. I am fed up with people bringing forward arguments on matters of which they have absolutely no knowledge. Yaba undoubtedly is extremely harmful but claiming that it is addictive (in its 'traditional' meaning, i.e. physically addictive) is, to say the least, questionable and using arguments like "I saw someone doing this and doing that" intellectually poor! I like people to stick to facts. It seems that the high is great but I have sadly seen people coming down from yaba and it is not a pretty sight. I agree with the aggressive comment and the desire for more seems to be very strong at that time. I just don't like drugs and i dont like people defending the use of them. Maybe this is because i have 2 teenage kids in the UK. Cheers, Rick #17
endure
Nocturnal Spooner Posted 2008-01-27 01:15:16
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum
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bangkokrick
Remember this member Posted 2008-01-27 01:21:52
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum Cheers, Rick #19
endure
Nocturnal Spooner Posted 2008-01-27 01:27:10
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum Cheers, Rick "You seem to get very aggressive over a simple spelling mistake. Are you on Yaba?" looks like bickering (or flaming) to me. You don't have to be gay but you do have to be civil. #20
bangkokrick
Remember this member Posted 2008-01-27 01:40:21
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum Cheers, Rick "You seem to get very aggressive over a simple spelling mistake. Are you on Yaba?" looks like bickering (or flaming) to me. You don't have to be gay but you do have to be civil. Rick #21
endure
Nocturnal Spooner Posted 2008-01-27 01:52:32
If your middle name is 'Civil' then you're more than welcome here.
#22
MART
Advanced Member Posted 2008-01-27 02:01:56
Hi Rick, I regret you mistook my post for an expression of aggressiveness. No I am not on yaba, nor am I suffering from withdrawal symptoms by the way. Furthermore I was not over-reacting to a "simple spelling mistake" (as you call it yourself) which only made me smile for a while but far more to the second part of lazeeboy's post. I am fed up with people bringing forward arguments on matters of which they have absolutely no knowledge. Yaba undoubtedly is extremely harmful but claiming that it is addictive (in its 'traditional' meaning, i.e. physically addictive) is, to say the least, questionable and using arguments like "I saw someone doing this and doing that" intellectually poor! I like people to stick to facts. It seems that the high is great but I have sadly seen people coming down from yaba and it is not a pretty sight. I agree with the aggressive comment and the desire for more seems to be very strong at that time. I just don't like drugs and i dont like people defending the use of them. Maybe this is because i have 2 teenage kids in the UK. Cheers, Rick I understand your point too Rick but for the very reason that drugs are harmful, this matter should be adressed in a responsible way. This implies dealing with facts and providing INFORMATION. If you, for example, tell your kids that marihuana is physically addictive and they happen to try it once, they will soon realize that you were saying bullsh*t and further warnings about its genuine dangers will have absolutely no effect. Meth is not physically addictive and becomes mentally addictive when used on a regular basis. But its most dangerous aspects are far more the tremendous harm which it does to one's nervous system AND the fact that it heavily disconnects its users from the reality and induces severe depressive states.
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum come on Endure, we are not bickering with each other at all, just exchanging points of view in a friendly and responsible manner... attached: a small pic for the decorum 
#23
endure
Nocturnal Spooner Posted 2008-01-27 02:08:38
I understand your point too Rick but for the very reason that drugs are harmful, this matter should be adressed in a responsible way. This implies dealing with facts and providing INFORMATION. If you, for example, tell your kids that marihuana is physically addictive and they happen to try it once, they will soon realize that you were saying bullsh*t and further warnings about its genuine dangers will have absolutely no effect. I agree with this 100%. It always amazes me how quickly & completely many grown-ups forget their own childhood/teenage years and try to impress upon kids things which they knew were bullsh1t when they were teens themselves. #24
MART
Advanced Member Posted 2008-01-27 02:29:12
I agree with this 100%. It always amazes me how quickly & completely many grown-ups forget their own childhood/teenage years and try to impress upon kids things which they knew were bullsh1t when they were teens themselves. overprotection probably... Not very effective but understandable... As a side note, I find the phrase "one of the most addicted drugs" genuinely funny! #25
bangkokrick
Remember this member Posted 2008-01-27 18:45:40
Hi Rick, I regret you mistook my post for an expression of aggressiveness. No I am not on yaba, nor am I suffering from withdrawal symptoms by the way. Furthermore I was not over-reacting to a "simple spelling mistake" (as you call it yourself) which only made me smile for a while but far more to the second part of lazeeboy's post. I am fed up with people bringing forward arguments on matters of which they have absolutely no knowledge. Yaba undoubtedly is extremely harmful but claiming that it is addictive (in its 'traditional' meaning, i.e. physically addictive) is, to say the least, questionable and using arguments like "I saw someone doing this and doing that" intellectually poor! I like people to stick to facts. It seems that the high is great but I have sadly seen people coming down from yaba and it is not a pretty sight. I agree with the aggressive comment and the desire for more seems to be very strong at that time. I just don't like drugs and i dont like people defending the use of them. Maybe this is because i have 2 teenage kids in the UK. Cheers, Rick I understand your point too Rick but for the very reason that drugs are harmful, this matter should be adressed in a responsible way. This implies dealing with facts and providing INFORMATION. If you, for example, tell your kids that marihuana is physically addictive and they happen to try it once, they will soon realize that you were saying bullsh*t and further warnings about its genuine dangers will have absolutely no effect. Meth is not physically addictive and becomes mentally addictive when used on a regular basis. But its most dangerous aspects are far more the tremendous harm which it does to one's nervous system AND the fact that it heavily disconnects its users from the reality and induces severe depressive states.
Can we stop the bickering please, folks. We expect you to act with a bit of decorum in the gay forum come on Endure, we are not bickering with each other at all, just exchanging points of view in a friendly and responsible manner... attached: a small pic for the decorum I agree totally that yaba is not addictive in a physical sense and is not in the same league as heroin and crack, but as you say it is mentally addictive. It also does remarkable damage to the nervous system and inhibits the chemical that makes a person happy. I have heard that drug clinics use marihuana in a bid to ween people off methamphetamines as this also affects the same chemical but in a positive way. The reason that i try to undertsand the recreational drugs is purely due to the fact that i think we as adults should give accurate information regarding the short and long term affects to the present and future generations. I had a friend in the UK that went through absolute hel_l to the point if almost dying of a heart attack due to the fact that his teeenage son was a herion addict. It's a long story and i wont bore you with the details, but my friend had no idea of the signs of heroin addiction and this obviously did not help. Cheers, Rick |
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