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[kitty]

sbk, on Tue 2004-09-21, 16:44:03, said:

I am forever stuck on this island (paradise does have its minuses too). However, I will need to make the foray up to Bangkok sometime before april (hey, time moves slower down here ) so maybe we can do several get togethers?? And hey, where is Nat???

Are you still leaving in april sbk?

[monkeygirl]

Thanks to those that actually answered my question or even read enough to know what I am talking about instead of digging to find a detail to criticize or making up something that I have not said. I really think a couple of you are mis-reading because I can't see that I even mention some of the things you are talking about, but it's no problem.

I can see that it is of little point for me to address some of the comments above. It is unfortunate that the board is used for people to try and make personal attacks against other members and many blessings to those who have that kind of aggression and need to get it out, it is very good that you can do it online and hopefully not in your real life. I'm quite flattered that people checked my other posts or even remember them - can't say that anyone else has thus so impacted me yet.

It's also sad that for some, anyone who has an opinion different from theirs is suddenly naiive, stupid, etc. I welcome good debate from anyone, but "you give me a headache" is not exactly quality debate material.

I am actually fluent in Thai and English, written and spoken and a dual citizen with a Master's degree and have lived here for a few years, as well as in many other countries. I have both Thai and farang friends, men and women, and have nothing against any races. I enjoy all aspects from both types of friendships. I have even had friends that were Thai prostitutes (by the way guys, you are not really 'handsome' man). There are much fewer farang women living here than Thai women or farang men, so it is a delight to get to talk to some. And clearly, not all men go to prostitutes or have been to prostitutes and it's refreshing to hear that from a poster on this board.

I definately am not saying that all Thai women are prostitutes, and I actually have nothing against prostitutes, having volunteered in the past to help them to move to other lives and occupations. I actually feel that prostitutes in Thailand are the victims. That men who use prostitutes contribute to young Thai girls and boys being sold or kidnapped from their villages into prostitution and gang-raped into submission. It is not all girls, but it does happen, and it wouldn't if there was no demand.

I do have apologies to ThaiAmGuy, I did not realize I said "Fortunately" and going back, it was not that I meant instead of a Thai guy, it was just in general. Many of my relatives are Thai men.

Anyway... not going to stretch into other topics.

[donna]

You Go, Girl!

Actually, Monkeygirl, I thought your first post was interesting, and the replies to it have been even more so.

I didn't read it as you saying that all Thai women were prostitutes, and don't know why your post was interpreted in such a way.

We are all entitled to our own opinions. And I think you have a point, too. Yes, you are lucky you are happily married. Whether this is to a Thai or farang is irrespective. And, yes, being a single farang woman in this country can be lonely. That's what Monkeygirl is getting at.

Her initial point was to say that if she was not happily married, she may find it incredibly lonely here and this is due to the fact that it APPEARS that most men come here and only have eyes for Thai girls.

But as a Farang female living here:
Do we find Farang men attractive? ###### yes.
Do we find Thai men attractive? ###### yes.

We are all attractive in our own way. It just takes time for some people to see it.

[Khun Larry]

monkeygirl, on Sun 2004-09-19, 15:25:07, said:

It seems like most of the farang men are here for the Thai women

After reading your various post who would blame them?

You have one sour attitude and caustic communication style.

You Go, Girl! Go back to where you came!!!

[Boo]

I thought she was Khun Larry, being half thai & everything

[rainman]

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It seems like most of the farang men are here for the Thai women or for Thai prostitutes.

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Seems like so many of the farang men on this board are very hostile towards farang women because they cannot attract one where they come from.

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Also it seems even worse that most men have been with a prostitute here.

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...by the way guys, you are not really 'handsome' man

monkeygirl: Judging from your quotes above, its clear that you have something against farang men. Maybe from bad experiences? There surely must be a reason for the above things you wrote. Just like you may have had bad experiences with farang men (except your farang husband), some of us may have had bad experiences with farang women and therefor date/marry thai women. Where's the problem? I fail to see the point in your posts, other than ranting, which is fine with me by the way. "Up to you".

[katana]

donna, on Tue 2004-09-21, 20:56:21, said:

...I didn't read [Monkeygirl's post] as you saying that all Thai women were prostitutes, and don't know why your post was interpreted in such a way...

No,
I didn't interpret it in that way either when I first read this thread a couple of days ago.

[monkeygirl]

I'm not going to fan the fires, but some of you really give me a chuckle! Khun Larry, you are just too cute!

Thanks ladies for your posts. This whole thing actually came from a single Aussie girl I met. She's a stunner, tall, blonde, blue eyes, but she says she has difficulty dating in Asia because of the above reasons I won't mention again here. She actually prefers Thai men. And I thought it was an interesting topic. I think Farang ladies here are a really special set, I have never met so many strong and intelligent women as the ones who have traveled here and are doing some really amazing things with volunteer work or in business - true assets to the country.

Anyway, I'm certainly not bitter over anyone, lol, although somehow someone will find a way to think I am attacking them or just keep on repeating what has already been said, lol, but this was good entertainment while I had a cold and I think I'm just not getting anything worthwhile out of it so I'm turning over the post to Khun Larry because he's so sweet and smart and I know all the farang ladies want to fall at his feet!

[pop3]

monkeygirl, on Mon 2004-09-20, 10:14:48, said:

first of all i am a thai woman and a farang woman. a prostitute is a prostitute in any country. second of all, i would appreciate posts from women only or i would have posted in the general forum.

Just listen to your own word's monkey girl, Hostile farang male's ? I wonder why ?

[Khun Larry]

monkeygirl, on Wed 2004-09-22, 01:24:17, said:

I'm not going to fan the fires, but some of you really give me a chuckle!  Khun Larry, you are just too cute!

Accolade accepted.

May I treat you to a one way ticket out of the country?

Go Girl!!

[RamdomChances]

I've got nothing against "falang" women here or in "falangland" about half of my family are women (inc my mother and sister )

I've never actually met a female falang expat it would be really interesting we have regular meet ups in BKK why not come along its not all blokes.

I think some of you earlier post were sort of generalisine all expat men as "whore mongers", which while is true for some it is'nt true for all.

Can we all come to the meet , or is it just "falang" females, can thai women go or do they have to be at least part falang?

Cheers RC

[SK1972]

Yo all............hope this forum will chill out.......soon.

I think everyone has their own opinions and are free to express them. It doesnt help when we dont like something someone said and keep asking them to "get out of the country".

[Boo]

To all,

As stated many times before, this section of thaivisa is dedicated to western women in thailand (have still to get the name change to happen but hope it will be soon, changing this to all women in,of & visiting thailand) but all are welcome to post, comment & express themselves, providing that they play nice & remember to be respectful to each other.

Now, to monkeygirls post, I can't actually see anything where she states all thai women are prostitues but her post probably could have done with rephrasing & came across to some of you guys as generalising (which some was).

What I can see is that she is saying that a single farang women in LOS has a hard time because most single farang guys that come here end up dating thai women. Now this is true cause most of you on here are testiment to this fact. there are the odd few that don't like thai giirls but they are few & far between. Whether this is because of attraction or circumstance or just having so much choice I don't know or care, but it tends to be true in nearly all cases.

It is also true that a lot (not all) of single farang men are also interested only in the thai bar girl scene & for a lot of women (regardless of nationality) this is a major turn off for us. I also admit that I probably wouldn't pursue a relationship with any guy if I had known he had been with a prostitue. Sorry if that offends some of you but it's your choice to do it & my choice to feel that way.

Thought i'd just put my thought on that part of the topic.

Carry on

[rod_kalashnikov]

 

[monkeygirl]

Khun Larry, on Wed 2004-09-22, 11:53:18, said:

May I treat you to a one way ticket out of the country?

Go Girl!!

That's sweet, but save it for yourself, I am a Thai citizen, so I have more right to be here than you...

[Boo]

Hey Rod, I said relationship, I didn't rule out a weekend of once off passion from the forums favorite stud

[SK1972]

I do agree with SOME of the things said by monkeygirl and boo. I am a non-Thai nor a farang. Whether the men want to admit it or not, its up to them. We cant force them so why try!!!

Not every man in TH is bad, but it sure is hard to find ONE let alone a handful.

Still note the "free ticket" offers going around ..............hehehehe........

[SK1972]

BTW, Khun Larry..............are you a 50-60 year old farang with a 25-35 year old Thai gf? Seems like it, only those kind gets very sensitive about what other women have to say about the Thai women. Monkeygirl has a right to say anything she wants as she IS Thai.

KL, Do you really hate farang women so much?? From some bad experience? Is that why you came to TH? P/S This forum is FOR Farang women.....do you have confusion about your sexuality??

[rod_kalashnikov]

 

[britmaveric]

SK1972- actually love, the forum is open to both genders. The prevailing topics are female related. Boo correct me if I am wrong!

I do sympathize with western ladies in Thailand- definitely hard being the minority. Personally I didn't come to Thailand to meet a gf it just sort of happened.

[SK1972]

Hi Britmaveric................yes a lot of things seem to "just happen" in TH doesnt it?
It does help that the Thai women are very receptive towards newbie farang guys in TH................go figure!

P/S I meant if the guy is unable to be more matured than to keep hinting that the person who has a differing opinion from him, the person is "offered an air ticket" to go home...............

[Boo]

Jeez, I don't think our little section of the forum has had so many people viewing at one time, 7 on last count

And Brit, yes you are right!

[britmaveric]

SK1972- yes dare say "it happens alot" and by sheer numbers of Thai ladies and men alone - statistically its safe to say a western lad/lady in Thailand would end up with a Thai.

As for airfare tickets rubbish- best to ignore such comments- if he was serious might be worth taking up- always good to blag free airfare.

[Ijustwannateach]

There is a certain group who prefer farang, just as many of us farang (here) prefer the Thais (I'm NOT referring mainly to the Thais and farang who hang out working at or patronizing dodgy bars). It's not ALL of us, and not ALL of them. But aren't we (both groups) lucky that it's so? There's someone out there for everyone, I think, even a shambling bear like me. I don't think there's much point either in disputing this or in getting upset about it. It's quite likely that a lot of people LEAVE their own country partly because of a distaste for the people there, and if a farang woman really, really wants to date a farang man then back home would be the easiest place to look. Here, it's the foreigner seeking Thais who has the comparative advantage in odds.

A few times, I've met some gay American Asian guys who were really disoriented coming here and talked with me about discovering with great disappointment that in Thailand they were no longer the rarer hot item they had always been in the bars back in SF! It's always luckiest, dating-wise, to be in a place where your "type" is rarer, and higher value, as long as you don't let it go to your head and behave badly, or mistake the financial kind of interest for the genuine kind.

On the other hand, if you're on the other end of the stick (like my Japanese friend chasing farang/gaijin in Osaka) then if you're not Mr./Ms. Super Cutie [by general standards] then it's best to distinguish yourself with things like Personality, Humor, Kindness, and Serenity, and also not to be too particular yourself about the surface beauty of the ones you seek. It's not right for Mr. SuperFarangCutieOrNot to take advantage of you either, but remember that you have to LET him take advantage of you.

Some of the most bitter people I've met are those who were envious of the foreigner's (whatever type, whatever country) comparative advantage in attracting romantic interest due to his "exotic" characteristics (of whatever type). I imagine this bitterness comes from being someone "spoiled" by being the desired type somewhere moving into an area where they are just one of the crowd- believe me, it's much easier (and more character-forming) to start out for a long time learning how to behave in an area where you are just one of the crowd and then moving somewhere your type is rarer [though there are some folks who botch this, too]. This kind of bitterness in people does nothing, incidentally, to attract those foreigners to them. The universe isn't very fair, but it rewards constructive action a lot more than whining.

"Steven"

[rod_kalashnikov]