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mellow1
Senior Member Posted 2008-04-01 18:25:24
Quote I especially want to see such a law in effect in my own country, with identical visa requirements, and benefits as offered to us here. so thais should be allowed into the usa under visa exempt status? what kind of beaurocratic nightmare are you tying to dream up? where do you end up, every country in the world scrabbling to match the visa requirements for every other country. #52
Naam
Star Member Posted 2008-04-01 18:26:49
Quote I especially want to see such a law in effect in my own country, with identical visa requirements, and benefits as offered to us here. so thais should be allowed into the usa under visa exempt status? what kind of beaurocratic nightmare are you tying to dream up? where do you end up, every country in the world scrabbling to match the visa requirements for every other country. #53
juggernaut
Member Posted 2008-04-01 19:31:21
"Yes I agree with cclub75. As I think I posted earlier as well, this is actually worse for the foreigner in many cases. Before the foreigner could do side deals with three Thai shareholders to maintain control of 'his' company. He could effectively play these guys off against each other. You may say 'well he only needs to get one Thai on side now' and that may work if the thai is your wife, but otherwise - the foreigner may have a harder time - not easier. If the two thais decide to do a dirty on him - it's game over for the foreign financier.."
Don't forget the change is in the minimum number of shareholders. You can still have 7 if that is what you really want, or 77, or 777. #54
longway
Senior Member Posted 2008-04-01 22:14:11
Quote I especially want to see such a law in effect in my own country, with identical visa requirements, and benefits as offered to us here. so thais should be allowed into the usa under visa exempt status? what kind of beaurocratic nightmare are you tying to dream up? where do you end up, every country in the world scrabbling to match the visa requirements for every other country. its done to a certain extent, and it just ends up being a pointless petty red tape excercise that serves no purpose. why the hel_l would the usa want to change a system thats works that it chose for itself just so a few long stay tourists dont have to do a border run every 3 months. alot more sympathy for the ones who are married and want to make thailand their home, but why should other people have to suffer because you are inconvinienced? would getting rid of the green card system be good for the usa or not? what's best for the usa is the real question. Quote That's what computers can be used for other than forums. this bit of nonsense only highlights the limited faculties and imagination of the poster who to comes up with a solution like the above for what he considers a major problem. Edited by longway, 2008-04-01 22:19:31. #55
thaigene2
Super Member Posted 2008-04-01 22:16:49
bottomline. a county can nationalize any foreign properties whenever they want - like hugo chavez did with the oil wells in venezuela recently. so, the issue of thailand being sold out is pure bullshit. personally, I don't think america should be exporting their factories and their jobs overseas. look at what happened when we built a pharmaceutical factory over here in thailand.. we teach them how to make the drugs, and they come back at us with compulsory licenses. talk about stupid. and get this, thailand could still take our factories that our stupid corporations build here - WHENEVER they want. we should make the products whatever they are in the usa. and sell them overseas. that way, no one can screw us. they either buy at our prices, or not at all. Think so? I don't. They'd make 'your' products anyway - for much cheaper - then export them to your good 'ol USA, where your countrymen and women would buy them like hotcakes - just like they're doing now. That's why your country's going broke - with no money in the bank a big house worth less today than it was yesterday. America is waking up to the fact that good 'ol American know-how works when building space shuttles - but less so when producing widgets that any idiot can produce - but probably for one-tenth of the cost if produced overseas. If you don't have really special skill your US passport is about as valuable than a Pakistani one. In other words, you're 'low-net-worth. So blame yourself - all the rest of the world did was comply and feed your foolish consumerism rammed down your throats by endless American movies with 'product placement'. The Wall family and others like them got rich selling you a bigger TV set that you didn't need yesterday and won't want tomorrow. So go ahead and make those products in the USA - I'll exercise my option - and your offer: to not to buy from you at all. First of all I don't even know where to begin with you because the black hole of ignorance is pretty deep but start out by reading up on what comparative advantage is. Then read up on subprime banking and credit contraction. None of it is limited to just the U.S. The western world in general will be going through correction as emerging markets come forward. The scales are just rebalancing in the world and there is some belt tightening and adjusting in the intermediate term before things move forward again. It's not anti-American - it's anti-commercialism. Get it now? Or should I start somewhere else with you? #56
cclub75
Platinum Member Posted 2008-04-01 22:37:50
Begin allowing real estate, services & goods to fall under foreign control than prices and costs will rise, plus the charm and the community atmosphere of doing business and using services in Thailand will disappear, destroying the magic of Thailand, what has become a haven for retirees and for those who wish to live an alternative lifestyle to that of the West. It's exactly the opposite : prices of services are high because of a lack of real competition. What brought Tesco and Carrefour ? Competition of course. Real one. Do you pay less or more in those supermarkets, compare to the small shops ? As for "destroying the magic of Thailand", thai people do not need us to do it. Organic products, eco tourism, conservation, sustainable development, are all ideas and concept... brought by westerners. Absolutly not by most of the thais, who couldn't care less about it. #57
thaigene2
Super Member Posted 2008-04-01 22:52:47
What brought Tesco and Carrefour ? Competition of course. Real one. Do you pay less or more in those supermarkets, compare to the small shops ? I'd go a step further and say compare to the big shops too. Ever looked at the price of something in Central Department Store or Emporium then checked out EXACTLY the same thing in Tesco or Carrefour? Why are the latter stores always so much cheaper? Answer? They are not part of the Thai "cartel" (don't sue me now, I use the term loosely!) that is run by the Thai family Oligarchs (there are only two families for those who follow these things that own Central, Robinsons, Big-C, Tops, Emporium, Paragon and some others - The Mall is in there somewhere too). In fact, you'll notice these 'foreign' companies like Tesco and Carrefour (which of course are Thai really as they must have Thai majnority ownership) have no real advantage but to price lower than the Oligarchs - so they do. As cclub75 said it's 'competition' - real competition in Thailand for a change. The UK used to be like this too. And not that long ago. If you needed a toothbrush - you could buy it from Boots or Boots. Either way it was about three times the price in any other developed country. Again, the Oligarchs and their friends in the Old Family Political Party are supporting the End Game right now in what is becoming increasingly unstable politics yet again between the Old and the New - Can't you see it coming? #58
Ga-gai
Senior Member Posted 2008-04-01 23:01:09
Begin allowing real estate, services & goods to fall under foreign control than prices and costs will rise, plus the charm and the community atmosphere of doing business and using services in Thailand will disappear, destroying the magic of Thailand, what has become a haven for retirees and for those who wish to live an alternative lifestyle to that of the West. It's exactly the opposite : prices of services are high because of a lack of real competition. What brought Tesco and Carrefour ? Competition of course. Real one. Do you pay less or more in those supermarkets, compare to the small shops ? As for "destroying the magic of Thailand", thai people do not need us to do it. Organic products, eco tourism, conservation, sustainable development, are all ideas and concept... brought by westerners. Absolutly not by most of the thais, who couldn't care less about it. Sounds like the more commercial a country gets, the more happy people will get! -NOT! The country will lose it's soul, period! When Tesco and Carrefour have replaced all the local small and medium sized markets around, how are the village families that used to sell vegetables, meat and other stuff, supposed to get their money from? Not from the owners and shareholders of Tesco and Carrefour! It's the same problem in Europe and US, when companies like Wallmart makes it fruitless to run your own small shop in the same area. I do prefer to pay a couple of extra baht for my vegatables in order to keep the town a living place and the families being able to send their kids to school. Hey... Didn't we come here just because we were tired of all the commercialism back in our own countries? Support your local dealer! If you settled down here in LOS -ONLY- because your retirement pension couldn't cover to settle down in Florida... Well then... I'm sorry for you. This is not US and certainly not Disney world! The charm of this country is that it is not like where we came from. If you're not satisfied with that, then you're in the wrong place. LOS - Love it or lose it! Edited by Ga-gai, 2008-04-01 23:22:54. #59
mellow1
Senior Member Posted 2008-04-02 09:28:10
[quote name='longway' post='1904026' date='2008-04-01 22:14:11'][quote name='Naam' post='1903690' date='2008-04-01 18:26:49'][quote name='longway' post='1903678' date='2008-04-01 18:19:22'][quote]I especially want to see such a law in effect in my own country, with identical visa requirements, and benefits as offered to us here.[/quote]
so thais should be allowed into the usa under visa exempt status? what kind of beaurocratic nightmare are you tying to dream up? [u]where do you end up, every country in the world scrabbling to match the visa requirements for every other country.[/u] [/quote] you end up at reality because that "tit for tat" visa procedure is the done thing of the last two decades. [/quote] its done to a certain extent, and it just ends up being a pointless petty red tape excercise that serves no purpose. why the hel_l would the usa want to change a system thats works that it chose for itself just so a few long stay tourists dont have to do a border run every 3 months. alot more sympathy for the ones who are married and want to make thailand their home, but why should other people have to suffer because you are inconvinienced? would getting rid of the green card system be good for the usa or not? what's best for the usa is the real question. [quote]That's what computers can be used for other than forums.[/quote] this bit of nonsense only highlights the limited faculties and imagination of the poster who to comes up with a solution like the above for what he considers a major problem. [/quote] First of all I don't consider none of this to be a major problem, even with my limited faculties. I would like to point out that the US doesn't need Thais as immigrants, unless they have major skills to contribute to the US. It is only reasonable that if they wish to go to the US, they should at least contribute to the economy in the same manner that Farangs are required to in Thailand, by the influx of money. I understand the humanitarian principles behind a Thai wife wanting to be with her husband and children should the husband and children be US citizens, to be able to own a home, and land to put it on. This is also not a problem for me, as my son can be the owner in either country. I used to think this was a problem, but really for myself alone , a decent small apartment, with a PC and a TV is really all I need, the rest is just an investment for my family should I die. All the Thai Non immigrant has to do is to conform to the same requirements as seen fit for others by their own governments. Would be no problem for my wife either. It would also keep in check the Thai and other foreign negative elements . I agree completely with the xenophobic and protectionist attitude of the Thai, and I hope the US adopts the exact policies across the board. Too bad for the ones that can't conform to such reasonable policies, they can always write to their loved ones or use MSN messenger should they be thrown out of the country for non compliance. Obviously you agree, because you also must follow these rules and are here. Why should it be different for others? Its the only sensible way to go, ask any Thai, except Thaskin maybe, who is happy to own a foreign football team 100%, which wouldn't be possible for you to do here. It's of course people like yourself with limited faculties and not willing to do a little work who allow these things to happen. #60
thaigene2
Super Member Posted 2008-04-02 13:19:36
When Tesco and Carrefour have replaced all the local small and medium sized markets around, how are the village families that used to sell vegetables, meat and other stuff, supposed to get their money from? Not from the owners and shareholders of Tesco and Carrefour! It's the same problem in Europe and US, when companies like Wallmart makes it fruitless to run your own small shop in the same area. I do prefer to pay a couple of extra baht for my vegatables in order to keep the town a living place and the families being able to send their kids to school. Hey... Didn't we come here just because we were tired of all the commercialism back in our own countries? Support your local dealer! If you settled down here in LOS -ONLY- because your retirement pension couldn't cover to settle down in Florida... Well then... I'm sorry for you. This is not US and certainly not Disney world! The charm of this country is that it is not like where we came from. If you're not satisfied with that, then you're in the wrong place. LOS - Love it or lose it! While I am the first to sympathise with this argument (anti-commercialism/consumerism), it needs to be noted that what's killing the mon/pop shops is not the likes of Tesco or Carrefour - but 7-11 - which, despite it's American origins, is actually owned by the CP Group - owned lock, stock and barrel by rich Thais. So it's Thais screwing other Thais - not foreigners to blame. But I do agree with you that conglomerates and globalization are not the friends of the little guy. Absolutely. #61
thaigene2
Super Member Posted 2008-04-02 13:34:26
you'll notice these 'foreign' companies like Tesco and Carrefour (which of course are Thai really as they must have Thai majnority ownership) Tesco Lotus in Thailand is 100% British owned after CP group sold their stake. In Thailand they are operated by a Thai company; Ek-Chai Distribution in order to keep in line with Thailand's foreign business laws. I didn't know that. How does work then? Are they a BOI case with a waiver to offload Thai shareholder requirements - or does Ek-Chai Distribution own Lotus and thus become a majority shareholder of 'Tesco-Lotus (Thai) LTD' or whatever it's called? #62
MrOzark
Senior Member Posted 2008-04-09 17:41:25
Does anyone know of a good book or other source of reliable
information about Thailand's policy towards foreigners? Having lived abroad for 10 years, the closest I can come is this: People that come to Thailand on vacation with spouse/family don't come back often and if they do, it is for a short time. There are a huge number of sex/marriage tourists that like the environment here and decide to live and die here based on the environment and economics. Some of these have considerable money. Most fall asleep, become pods and start to justify xenophobic behavior and forget that Thailand is nothing like a truly developed country. Then there are the scumbags that come for sex, children and drugs. Some become teachers and many live in bars. Finally the charitable and missionaries that are mostly shielded from true day to day life because they associate with and draw funds from a rich western source. I don't know that Thailand is attracting any investors. Only those that already want to live here because they married a Thai girl and have extra money with which to play. It seems that Thailand can clamp down all they want on visas and laws about ownership because it only makes the scumbags/dabblers leave and those with enough money aren't affected. New laws seem to be encouraging actual investment as opposed to the all-to-common 'foreigner falls in lust, foreigner buys house and car in girls name, foreigner leaves and loses it all'. |
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