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[tropo]

moe666, on 2012-05-16 22:59:34, said:

The best test to determine hormone levels is a 24 hour urine test. You collect all urine in a 24 hour period pour into provided containers and send away to be tested. The only draw back very expensive but a very accurate test for hormone levels.

Can this be done in Thailand at regular clinics? How much will it cost? What hormones will be tested?

[Cobrabiker]

Thanks for clearing up tropo, will need to find some cheaper clinics to do the injection.

About the urine test, may be later, as now my dosage is not too high.

Found something very infomative, for those interested in the injection, make sure to take some sort of AI too, or else you may have "tits".

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if you are under 40 age don' uese because while you put teststerone from otside yourypofisis don't work ...
after you may stay long time without sex desire.
If you are 40 YEARS OLDER you can try Sustanon injection, 1 for week for 6 week, and 50 mg./100 mg pills of proviron daily for reduce the problem of rebound.
from 6 week take 100 mg. of pills pills for 3 week:
from 1st to 6th week 1 injection of sustanon 100 mg.
from 1st to 5th week 50 mg. of Proviron daily
from 6th to 9th week 100 mg of provron daily

[tropo]

Cobrabiker, on 2012-05-17 00:48:14, said:

Thanks for clearing up tropo, will need to find some cheaper clinics to do the injection.

About the urine test, may be later, as now my dosage is not too high.

Found something very infomative, for those interested in the injection, make sure to take some sort of AI too, or else you may have "tits".

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if you are under 40 age don' uese because while you put teststerone from otside yourypofisis don't work ...
after you may stay long time without sex desire.
If you are 40 YEARS OLDER you can try Sustanon injection, 1 for week for 6 week, and 50 mg./100 mg pills of proviron daily for reduce the problem of rebound.
from 6 week take 100 mg. of pills pills for 3 week:
from 1st to 6th week 1 injection of sustanon 100 mg.
from 1st to 5th week 50 mg. of Proviron daily
from 6th to 9th week 100 mg of provron daily

That program is absolutely insane. Why would a person require all that proviron when he's only injecting 100 mg of
Sustanon weekly?

It's extremely unlikely that with such a low dose of Sustanon proviron is needed. Don't just mindlessly take proviron because someone on a forum suggests it. Have your estradiol levels checked a few times during the week.

Don't worry about growing tits. It's highly unlikely that's going to happen on 100 mg per week of testosterone. Even if you've got an estrogen problem, there's plenty of warning signs for gynecomastia. They won't grow overnight. There are obvious signs which come first such as itchiness or tenderness.

Now if you intend to use ridiculous doses of 500 mg of Sustanon per week or more, then the doses of proviron recommended above may have some merit - but these doses are well beyond the normal range for TRT.

Edited by tropo, 2012-05-17 01:05:39.

[pipo1000]

tropo, on 2012-05-17 01:03:47, said:

Cobrabiker, on 2012-05-17 00:48:14, said:

Thanks for clearing up tropo, will need to find some cheaper clinics to do the injection.

About the urine test, may be later, as now my dosage is not too high.

Found something very infomative, for those interested in the injection, make sure to take some sort of AI too, or else you may have "tits".

Quote

if you are under 40 age don' uese because while you put teststerone from otside yourypofisis don't work ...
after you may stay long time without sex desire.
If you are 40 YEARS OLDER you can try Sustanon injection, 1 for week for 6 week, and 50 mg./100 mg pills of proviron daily for reduce the problem of rebound.
from 6 week take 100 mg. of pills pills for 3 week:
from 1st to 6th week 1 injection of sustanon 100 mg.
from 1st to 5th week 50 mg. of Proviron daily
from 6th to 9th week 100 mg of provron daily

That program is absolutely insane. Why would a person require all that proviron when he's only injecting 100 mg of
Sustanon weekly?

It's extremely unlikely that with such a low dose of Sustanon proviron is needed. Don't just mindlessly take proviron because someone on a forum suggests it. Have your estradiol levels checked a few times during the week.

Don't worry about growing tits. It's highly unlikely that's going to happen on 100 mg per week of testosterone. Even if you've got an estrogen problem, there's plenty of warning signs for gynecomastia. They won't grow overnight. There are obvious signs which come first such as itchiness or tenderness.

Now if you intend to use ridiculous doses of 500 mg of Sustanon per week or more, then the doses of proviron recommended above may have some merit - but these doses are well beyond the normal range for TRT.

Somebody told me once,every article you read on the www has been posted with an intent,and that intent is in 99% of the cases pursuit of profit.

So in this case the writer of the article will probably profit from the sale of proviron in one way or another.

[tropo]

pipo1000, on 2012-05-17 01:12:25, said:

Somebody told me once,every article you read on the www has been posted with an intent,and that intent is in 99% of the cases pursuit of profit.

So in this case the writer of the article will probably profit from the sale of proviron in one way or another.

Good point! In this case, although estrogen tests can be a bit expensive, it could save a fortune on proviron, apart from negative side effects from taking such large doses.

[KeyserSoze01]

Cobrabiker, on 2012-05-16 21:58:02, said:

KeyserSoze01, on 2012-05-13 05:23:08, said:

Cobrabiker, on 2012-05-11 20:53:25, said:

Hi Keyser, do you use testoviron or other type & how many mg? And how often you inject?

I inject .7ml per week, split between 2 doses, along with 1ml B-12 with each injection.

I am using Depo - Testosterone cypionate.

So you inject twice per week?
That is how many mg per week? what about B12? What is it for?

Yes, I inject twice a week to spread the dose. The B12 is just something the doctor prescribed in conjunction with the Testosterone injections.

Here is a link on the benefits of B12...

http://adrienne2.hub...-of-Vitamin-B12

[plahgat]

I tried Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia) capsules that I bought in Singapore last year, but no effect whatsoever for the 2 months I took them!

Today I bought a jar of Zinc capsules here in Pattaya in a Pharmacy for 219 baht containing 45 capsules Zinc Amino Acid Chelate 15 mg for daily consumption, supposed to be beneficial for sperm quality and increase free Testosterone.
Anyone tried Zinc supplement and did you feel any difference in sexdrive?

Plahgat

[Cobrabiker]

Maybe 100mg/wk won't get you boobs, but testoviron converts to estrogen easily, this guy injects 250mg testosterone plus  trenbolone enanthate and got his boobs.

  

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guys, I just wanted to share my trenbolone enanthate experience thus far with you all. I have been on it for about 5 weeks and the sides are reallllly bothering me, one I almost never get acne but this stuff is making me breakout on my back and chest for the first time in my life practically. Also each morning after showering i have like 10-15 hairs on my hands..and i notice the thinning in the corners of my hair.. Im only on 250mg/week of this stuff and i have never had these sides on even a gram of test. I ran trenbolone acetate (only for 4 weeks so i cant really come to a complete conclusion) last year and the sides seemed to be much milder. It sucks because im liking the results off this cycle :250mg test testosterone enanthate w/250mg trenbolone enanthate, great vasculairty and getting lean but im not gonna lose my hair just for some freakin Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - . Just wanted to share my results since I havent reallly seeen any posts about trenbolone enanthate. ...im gona just drop the Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - and stick with 250mg of test just to keep some muscle while dieting.


PS..I cant believe i forgot to mention the worst side effect of all im experiecing...i got almost a set of man boobs too...im not taking anything to combat the progestrerone sides but i didnt think it would be neccesary at 250mg...guess i was wrong. This is also my first time getting really noticeable gynecomastia from any drug.

http://www.elitefitn...des-314492.html
  

[tropo]

Cobrabiker, on 2012-05-18 13:58:44, said:

Maybe 100mg/wk won't get you boobs, but testoviron converts to estrogen easily, this guy injects 250mg testosterone plus  trenbolone enanthate and got his boobs.

That's totally irrelevant. The guy from the steroid forum you're quoting is a fool.

Trenbolone acetate and trenbolone enanthate are derived from cattle pellets (Finaplix) used to increase the muscle mass of cattle. Anyone who uses these is a fool by default. They are illegal for human injection in nearly every country for a very good reason - they are dangerous drugs and beyond the scope of this forum.

He didn't get bitch tits from testoviron depot, he got it from the nasty combination. What makes it even more ridiculous is that you don't wake up one day with tits. They take time to develop and there's plenty of warning signs which this idiot didn't even notice. At least he's had a good lesson. The only way to get rid of them is surgery. His hair won't come back either.

Here we're discussing TRT or HRT doses of testosterone. As I already mentioned in an earlier post, it's unlikely anyone is going to need more than 100mg of testoviron depot per week. 250mg every 3 weeks is a very common TRT dose recommended doctors, which is only about 80 mg per week. That's not enough to develop tits or to require anti-estrogens.

Get tested. If the testosterone levels are still in the normal range, you don't need it. Find other ways to optimize your levels. It's a one way street. When you start there is no going back.

Edited by tropo, 2012-05-19 03:02:25.

[Tolley]

plahgat, on 2012-05-17 16:50:13, said:

I tried Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia) capsules that I bought in Singapore last year, but no effect whatsoever for the 2 months I took them!

Today I bought a jar of Zinc capsules here in Pattaya in a Pharmacy for 219 baht containing 45 capsules Zinc Amino Acid Chelate 15 mg for daily consumption, supposed to be beneficial for sperm quality and increase free Testosterone.
Anyone tried Zinc supplement and did you feel any difference in sexdrive?

Plahgat

That dosage is too small. And for absorbtion you are better off taking a liquid zinc supplement.

A lot of guys here would probably benefit from looking at their nutritional status rather than using their bodies as testing ground s for the variety of synthetic chemicals that they are happy to pump into their body.

[starrdog]

Bought my sustanon at a pharmacy in south Pattaya, but they're not selling it anymore. Cobrabiker, I'll let you know if/when I find a pharmacy that sells it.

I take zinc citrate tablets (50mg) as I heard it has the highest absorbtion rate of all the zincs.

[Tolley]

The metagenics of ethical nutrients which is their shop brand has the following:

This is the tablet form.


Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings per Container : 60

Amount Per Tablet
Zinc amino acid chelate
Equiv. Elemental Zinc*
100mg
20mg
Zinc sulfate monohydrate
Equiv. Elemental Zinc*
68.7mg
25mg
Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6)
20mg
Selenomethionine
Equiv. Elemental Selenium
62.5mcg
26mcg

[Shurup]

starrdog, on 2012-05-19 16:48:46, said:

Bought my sustanon at a pharmacy in south Pattaya, but they're not selling it anymore. Cobrabiker, I'll let you know if/when I find a pharmacy that sells it.

I take zinc citrate tablets (50mg) as I heard it has the highest absorbtion rate of all the zincs.

Sustanon was designed to provide an even blood level with less frequent injections. If you gonna do it once a month it makes sence, if you do it weekly even if you split your monthly dose in 4, it won't make any sence.

[Stubby]

This is like dieting in as much as everyone's looking for a quick fix. But like dieting, there are other, more natural ways to improve one's dwindling health issues.

I had absolutely no idea that when a man starts to lose testosterone, it's because its being replaced by the female hormone oestrogen. At least that's what this article on Testosterone issues reads.

Some men need help putting lead in their pencils; others just take the little tablets to get over brewers droop. Medication for testosterone replacement, like all these over-the-shelf fixes for health problems, can and do have potentially severe side effects, so why not try the natural way first – that's what I say.

Stubby