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#51 pete_r

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Posted 2008-06-20 02:38:10

View Postsomo, on 2008-06-18 11:54:36, said:

I have been told that in our area the best strain is simply called #72 followed by CMR. I have no idea what these are so if anyone can shed some light on what they are that would be helpful.

Steve
That particular CMR could be CMR35-22-196, a variety released in 2006 or 2007.

There's a leaflet with short descriptions of Thai varieties at this address (post 44):
http://www.thaivisa....h...eties&st=40

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Posted 2008-06-23 07:56:18

Khonwan and all,

I am interested in cassava as a feed for pigs. It is cut into slices and sun dried, stored and then ground for incorporation in the feed. At the costs per kilo discussed here it would be viable as a feed. I have not got enough land on which to grow it currently anyway.
I believe it is also sliced prior to ethanol processing. It there any source of buying cassava sliced and dried?

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Posted 2008-06-23 14:04:44

View PostIsaanAussie, on 2008-06-23 07:56:18, said:

Khonwan and all,

I am interested in cassava as a feed for pigs. It is cut into slices and sun dried, stored and then ground for incorporation in the feed. At the costs per kilo discussed here it would be viable as a feed. I have not got enough land on which to grow it currently anyway.
I believe it is also sliced prior to ethanol processing. It there any source of buying cassava sliced and dried?

Isaanaussie


Hi Isaanaussie

You ought to be able to find local farmers drying out chopped cassava. They will happily sell to you direct. Find out how much the local cassava processors are paying for dried cassava (usually just over double the fresh tuber price). Offer the farmer the same price - he'll be keen to sell to you at the same price since he avoids the transport costs (assuming you collect yourself).

Try to get cassava chips (mansen) that are drying on concrete rather than compacted soil since it will obviously contain less soil.

Cassava root is very high in energy but very low in protein (no more than 2%). Chop and sun-dry (2-3 days to remove cyanide) the tree part of the plant for an excellent high protein for your pigs. The leaves are typically 25% protein, petioles 20%, stems 17%.  You will probably be able to collect these for free after cassava farmers harvest their trees (the branches, petioles and leaves are just left in the fields) though a wiser farmer would charge you since this waste should be ploughed in to return nutrients to the soil.

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Posted 2008-06-23 21:45:04

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-06-23 14:04:44, said:

View PostIsaanAussie, on 2008-06-23 07:56:18, said:

Khonwan and all,

I am interested in cassava as a feed for pigs. It is cut into slices and sun dried, stored and then ground for incorporation in the feed. At the costs per kilo discussed here it would be viable as a feed. I have not got enough land on which to grow it currently anyway.
I believe it is also sliced prior to ethanol processing. It there any source of buying cassava sliced and dried?

Isaanaussie


Hi Isaanaussie

You ought to be able to find local farmers drying out chopped cassava. They will happily sell to you direct. Find out how much the local cassava processors are paying for dried cassava (usually just over double the fresh tuber price). Offer the farmer the same price - he'll be keen to sell to you at the same price since he avoids the transport costs (assuming you collect yourself).

Try to get cassava chips (mansen) that are drying on concrete rather than compacted soil since it will obviously contain less soil.

Cassava root is very high in energy but very low in protein (no more than 2%). Chop and sun-dry (2-3 days to remove cyanide) the tree part of the plant for an excellent high protein for your pigs. The leaves are typically 25% protein, petioles 20%, stems 17%. You will probably be able to collect these for free after cassava farmers harvest their trees (the branches, petioles and leaves are just left in the fields) though a wiser farmer would charge you since this waste should be ploughed in to return nutrients to the soil.

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Khonwan

As always a valuable response thanks very much. As you point out it is the energy and not the protein I am chasing. Must admit that buying raw tubers is still attractive and I had not considered the stover component especially the leaves.

Isaanaussie

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Posted 2008-06-30 04:13:21

This link is a bit old now, but an interesting read, http://209.85.175.10...J...t=clnk&cd=4  

Blimey, thats some site address, but worth a look,  Cheers, Lickey.

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Posted 2008-07-02 01:00:56

Hello All!

I've made a post introducing myself in the new topic forum....but here goes in this one, which is very interesting i might add.
Quick history:

Cambodian american, born in batambang province, immigrated to US during civil war.  Seeked refuge in chun buri refugee camp in the early eighties.  Oldest brother lives in Batambang.

Currently an application engineer and supplier for Daimler Trucks North America out of Portland, Oregon.

Bought 50 hectres 10-15 clicks south of Aranyaprathet(spelling), now in the plowing stages, 4 days worth so far, to grow/plant Eucalyptus to sell to oill extractors.

future goal to purchase more land for foodstuff and renewable energy production.

this topic/post is very interesting!  You guys are great!

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Posted 2008-07-02 17:20:39

Hi all, i am in southern part (nakorn Si Thammarat) we are mainly rubber & palm oil planters.
A company from malaysia (transturbo) set up 6 power plant (JV) in thailand  and they are encouraging farmers to plant giant mimosa .
2 years to harvesting and they will buy back the wood to fuel the power plant. This tree don't need fertilizer and is a useless tree which grows very fast. commercialy useless and is used as burning wood. it is only viable to plant in areas with is not fertile, rain or little rain,etc. in other words, if the land is useless for planting crops, you can try planting giant mimosa. after chopping down the tree (2 years from planting) , the leftover will continue to grow again. (this is a pest tree ) you only plant these trees at places that is not suitable for planting any other crop.

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Posted 2008-07-02 22:32:34

Hi,



New member on this site. We are very surprised to read all this info.



We live in Nahkon Ratchasima (Korat) and are in the middele of making our preparations for a start growing 50 rai Cassava in Nahkon Sawan. About one month ago we followed a two day-training for a new way of natural fertilization and method which should give a harvesting of 20-30 tonne per rai. Of course we have become very enthusiastic but as far as we are informed there is almost no experience with this method. We know that this new method has a high risk of dying plants caused by too hot soil. In the meantime we have met a man from the Ubon area who has done about 900 rai (?) with results of 18-20 ton per rai in the last two years. Our new contact works with a different fertilization and method with no additional risk of dying plants. An agriculture program on TV described about it and also the Prime Minister spoke in his weekly talk on Sundaymorning about Government promotion for the use of natural fertilization.



First step is to straw chicken shit and fertiliser on the soi before using a 3-disc plough. After plough wait about one week to kill the weeds and than use a 7-disc plough. The sterns need to be cut from fresh cassava trees into pieces measuring approximately 40-50cm. Spacing is recommended to 100 cm in a diagonal. One month after planting removing the weeds and straw natural fertiliser around the sterns again. An other month later spray fertilizer and repeat this every ten days in the next 2 months. To keep the crop weed-free during the first 3 months is very important. Theo whole proces takes about 9-10 months.



We try now to make an appointment with the farmer in the Ubon area to learn more. We like to have contact with farmers who work in the same area in Nahkon Sawan or try to do in the same way.

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Posted 2008-07-03 00:04:48

Here is a picture of cassava that was planted just two months ago. The guy who planyed it says he expects 10 kilograms per plant. Issangeorge.

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Posted 2008-07-03 18:05:17

View PostForeigner, on 2008-07-02 22:32:34, said:

Hi,



New member on this site. We are very surprised to read all this info.



We live in Nahkon Ratchasima (Korat) and are in the middele of making our preparations for a start growing 50 rai Cassava in Nahkon Sawan. About one month ago we followed a two day-training for a new way of natural fertilization and method which should give a harvesting of 20-30 tonne per rai. Of course we have become very enthusiastic but as far as we are informed there is almost no experience with this method. We know that this new method has a high risk of dying plants caused by too hot soil. In the meantime we have met a man from the Ubon area who has done about 900 rai (?) with results of 18-20 ton per rai in the last two years. Our new contact works with a different fertilization and method with no additional risk of dying plants. An agriculture program on TV described about it and also the Prime Minister spoke in his weekly talk on Sundaymorning about Government promotion for the use of natural fertilization.



First step is to straw chicken shit and fertiliser on the soi before using a 3-disc plough. After plough wait about one week to kill the weeds and than use a 7-disc plough. The sterns need to be cut from fresh cassava trees into pieces measuring approximately 40-50cm. Spacing is recommended to 100 cm in a diagonal. One month after planting removing the weeds and straw natural fertiliser around the sterns again. An other month later spray fertilizer and repeat this every ten days in the next 2 months. To keep the crop weed-free during the first 3 months is very important. Theo whole proces takes about 9-10 months.



We try now to make an appointment with the farmer in the Ubon area to learn more. We like to have contact with farmers who work in the same area in Nahkon Sawan or try to do in the same way.


I find claims of 20+ tons/rai pretty difficult to believe although would love to think it was possible. Khonwan gets about 4tons/rai and the best I have heard of in my area is 8 tons although I have not witnessed it first hand. The guy getting that said he uses a 2:1 mix of 13, 13, 21 fertilzer with urea 16-20 (don't ask what these numbers mean as I have no idea). He only uses 25 kilos of the mix/rai and doesn't bother placing at the bottom of the stems but just sprinkles it around. Before planting the land had 50 boxes/rai natural chicken shit ploughed in. I am following his advice so will let you know next year how it goes :o

#61 Khonwan

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Posted 2008-07-07 09:36:51

Thai Oil kills ethanol project

                 High cassava prices force rethink of plan

YUTHANA PRAIWAN


Thai Oil Plc, the country's largest oil-refining company, plans to delay its cassava-based ethanol investment plan on rising cassava prices, according to an executive.

As well, the ethanol surplus has yet to be tackled, said the source who declined to be named. "The company needs to keep an eye on the oversupply situation."

He added that export procedures were still unclear and the government's effort to promote ethanol appeared half-hearted as long as the Energy Ministry still insisted on keeping premium petrol available.

"Now the prices of cassava chips have risen to 12-13 baht a kilogramme while there is sufficient production of molasses, which is the other ethanol raw material. We need to study the return on investment once again to see whether it is viable," he said.

Thai Oil had planned to invest 5.1 billion baht in an ethanol plant with production capacity of 500,000 litres a day. It was expected to start operation in the middle of next year.

However, its other ethanol ventures will proceed according to plan.

The Mae Sot project, a joint venture with Padaeng Industry Plc and Petro Green Co, would have a production capacity of 100,000 litres a day when it opens late next year.

"The project can be carried out as the capacity is not high and the investors have clear investment plans," he said.

Bangkok Post, June 30


  

  


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Posted 2008-07-07 15:46:27

Thai tapioca prices JUNE 08

DOMESTIC MARKET PRICE AND TRADE (1 - 15 June 2008)

Situation of Root Price and Supply

·      Northeast and Central Regions

-   The tapioca roots price (starch content 22 - 23%) is quoted at 2.00 - 2.10 baht/kg.

-   Few cassava roots entered the market because of the rain.  The supply of cassava roots into the market at Korat expected around 12,000 - 14,000 tons/daily.

    Remark: Starch content 30% at 2.20 - 2.30 baht/kg.

·      East and West Region

-      The tapioca roots price (starch content 20 - 22%) is quoted at 1.90 - 2.00 baht/kg.

-      There are a few cassava roots in the market.  The supply of tapioca chips into the market at Chonburi, Sriraja and Bangpakong expected around 2,000 tons / daily.

    Remark: Starch content 30% at 2.10 - 2.25 baht/kg.

·      Situation of Tapioca Starch

-      Due to the rainy season, there is less tapioca roots available in the market as usual every year.  The mills are unable to produce at their full capacity. On the other hands, some of them temporarily stop operation to overhaul machineries and equipment.  The starch content of roots have been decreased resulted in weakening of root prices.

-      Domestic starch price become weakening.

  

Situation of Price at Seaports

-   Tapioca chips quoted at                                 5.10 - 5.60     baht/kg.

-   Tapioca chips (premium grade)        price is not available    

-   Tapioca hard pellets                                               price is not available

-   Tapioca starch quoted at                            11.80 - 12.10     baht/kg.




Source:  Dr. Will:  http://vatjanapukka....c...!1980.entry

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Posted 2008-07-15 03:30:24

Hi Khonwan,

New pics from Saturday of our cassava near Loei. As usual - girlfriend wasn't happy with workers (brother) - she is motivated to get a good yield per rai and had to yell at a bit - ha ha ha. If she wasn't there - none of this would be possible - tip for the guys who think this can be done from abroad... (I am in Canada). So far so good. We just started in March. Next year will be better but at least we are started now.... I will read with interest the tips on how to get yields > 4 tons per rai etc...

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Posted 2008-07-15 20:39:38

I just drove the starch plant just east of Kalasin, they had posted 2 baht per kilo, about 3 weeks ago they had posted 2.18 baht per kilo. Issangeorge

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Posted 2008-07-15 23:34:50

Long term - Alternative fuels will become more important. Of course there will be volatility in the prices of all commodities... 2 bullets from an analyst...

�� The oil markets are a perfect illustration of Economics 101. In the absence of sufficient near-term incremental supplies, the price of the commodity has to go to a level that reduces demand and creates a buffer. The market is at that level now.


�� Supply trends are bullish for oil prices. There is only 2mnb/d of excess capacity in an 85mnb/d market. That supply (surplus) is in one country – Saudi Arabia. It is unlikely the world gets any new supplies until 2009. In addition, global oil production is depleting at 4mnb/d per year. That means the world needs to replace one-half of Saudi Arabia every year to maintain output.



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Posted 2008-07-20 14:19:04

View PostForeigner, on 2008-07-02 22:32:34, said:

Hi,



New member on this site. We are very surprised to read all this info.



We live in Nahkon Ratchasima (Korat) and are in the middele of making our preparations for a start growing 50 rai Cassava in Nahkon Sawan. About one month ago we followed a two day-training for a new way of natural fertilization and method which should give a harvesting of 20-30 tonne per rai. Of course we have become very enthusiastic but as far as we are informed there is almost no experience with this method. We know that this new method has a high risk of dying plants caused by too hot soil. In the meantime we have met a man from the Ubon area who has done about 900 rai (?) with results of 18-20 ton per rai in the last two years. Our new contact works with a different fertilization and method with no additional risk of dying plants. An agriculture program on TV described about it and also the Prime Minister spoke in his weekly talk on Sundaymorning about Government promotion for the use of natural fertilization.



First step is to straw chicken shit and fertiliser on the soi before using a 3-disc plough. After plough wait about one week to kill the weeds and than use a 7-disc plough. The sterns need to be cut from fresh cassava trees into pieces measuring approximately 40-50cm. Spacing is recommended to 100 cm in a diagonal. One month after planting removing the weeds and straw natural fertiliser around the sterns again. An other month later spray fertilizer and repeat this every ten days in the next 2 months. To keep the crop weed-free during the first 3 months is very important. Theo whole proces takes about 9-10 months.



We try now to make an appointment with the farmer in the Ubon area to learn more. We like to have contact with farmers who work in the same area in Nahkon Sawan or try to do in the same way.

I find this hard to believe :D .........and I'll be very interested in knowing where this "900 rai farmer" is located - so I can pay him a visit as well  :o  :D

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Posted 2008-07-23 16:53:05

B1.8bn budget for bioplastic industry

VICHAYA PITSUWAN

The cabinet yesterday approved a budget of 1.8 billion baht for a five-year development roadmap for the bioplastic industry.


The 2009-2014 plan will spend one billion baht to purchase bioplastic technology from overseas and on research and development. Another 475 million baht will be invested in building the bioplastic business.


The National Innovation Agency (NIA) will manage the budget allocated for the improvements, said Supachai Lorlowhakarn, the NIA's director.


The funds will be allocated yearly according to the expenditures planned by the government in each fiscal year.


According to the road map, the first projects will start this year by tapping the remaining budget allocated by the government for fiscal 2008.


''Our plastic industry is already competitive and is well recognised in the region. The road map will strengthen its competitiveness even further and in line with the global trend which is focusing on environmentally friendly technology,'' Dr Supachai said.


Currently, bioplastics have a market share of only 1% to the world's total plastic consumption, which stands at 200 million tonnes or 80 to 100 kilo grammes per person per year.


Plastic demand is growing by 5% a year while demand for bioplastics is expected to increase 30% annually thanks to growing market awareness of the problems of global warming and the need to boost environment protection.


He said the development of the bioplastic industry would add huge value to tapioca, of which Thailand is the world's third largest producer.


Only 30% of the plastic made from petrochemicals can be recycled while tapioca-made products are bio-degradable. In Thailand, over 2.2 million tonnes of plastic ends up in landfills yearly, raising the management cost which has become a main concern across the world, Dr Supachai said.


''Tapioca is commonly used for food and in ethanol production and the industry is valued at only 61 billion baht. If the produce is used to make bioplastic, its value would increase to 144.18 billion baht,'' said Dr Supachai.


Under the bioplastic development plan, the Agricultural Ministry will receive 100 million baht to improve tapioca yields to support the industry.


In addition, a total of 225 million baht will be allocated to set up a bioplastic standard governing body to ensure that the local bioplastic industry meets international standards.


Dr Supachai said at least five bioplastic manufacturers will be seen in the next five years as the private sector was very keen to invest in the new industry.


Bangkok Post, 23 July 2008

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Posted 2008-07-24 21:10:55

Govt. to develop Northeast as hub of energy crops

July 24th, 2008 - 2:11 pm ICT by Amrit Rashmisrisethi

The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives launches a strategy to develop the Northeast as a hub of energy crops second to Brazil.

Deputy Minister of Agriculture and Theerachai Saenkaew (ธีระชัย แสนแก้ว) says the Northeast has a high potential to effectively produce energy crops such as sugar cane and cassava. The two crops produce key substances to ethanol production which can reduce the country’s import of oil.

However, Mr Theerachia says the ministry will not expand the plantations of the two energy crops but will increase the produce per rai to meet the demand of both consumption and ethanol production. He says further that the ministry has instructed the Department of Agriculture to promote the plantation of good sugar cane, cassava, and oil palm strains among farmers.

Source : National News Bureau, Public Relations Department of Thailand


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Posted 2008-07-25 16:31:02

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-07-24 21:10:55, said:

Govt. to develop Northeast as hub of energy crops

July 24th, 2008 - 2:11 pm ICT by Amrit Rashmisrisethi

The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives launches a strategy to develop the Northeast as a hub of energy crops second to Brazil.

Deputy Minister of Agriculture and Theerachai Saenkaew (ธีระชัย แสนแก้ว) says the Northeast has a high potential to effectively produce energy crops such as sugar cane and cassava. The two crops produce key substances to ethanol production which can reduce the country’s import of oil.

However, Mr Theerachia says the ministry will not expand the plantations of the two energy crops but will increase the produce per rai to meet the demand of both consumption and ethanol production. He says further that the ministry has instructed the Department of Agriculture to promote the plantation of good sugar cane, cassava, and oil palm strains among farmers.

Source : National News Bureau, Public Relations Department of Thailand



khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...

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Posted 2008-07-25 19:40:17

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-25 16:31:02, said:

khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...


Hi importford

I have no experience with sugar cane myself but I have a Thai friend who grows around 1,000 rai of sugar cane nearby - he still uses manual labour; I have never seen this job mechanised. Maizefarmer has knowledge of this crop and is also an ag engineer so I would think he may have some ideas on this subject.

Rgds
Khonwan

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Posted 2008-07-26 08:40:24

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-07-25 19:40:17, said:

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-25 16:31:02, said:

khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...


Hi importford

I have no experience with sugar cane myself but I have a Thai friend who grows around 1,000 rai of sugar cane nearby - he still uses manual labour; I have never seen this job mechanised. Maizefarmer has knowledge of this crop and is also an ag engineer so I would think he may have some ideas on this subject.

Rgds
Khonwan

I am getting in on the end of this discussion.........if possible, could we have a short summary of the current economics of growing mansaparang/casava in Thailand:  typical inputs cost per rai, typical kilo/rai return (read up to 30T but hard to believe), typical growing time frame (6 or 8 months?), best variety (along with name/code), current purchase price, best place to grow it in Thailand (we live near a mountainous nature preserve in Pong Nam Ron near Chantaburi (a bit cooler than normal).  Thanks.

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Posted 2008-07-26 10:06:17

View PostJR Texas, on 2008-07-26 08:40:24, said:

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-07-25 19:40:17, said:

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-25 16:31:02, said:

khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...


Hi importford

I have no experience with sugar cane myself but I have a Thai friend who grows around 1,000 rai of sugar cane nearby - he still uses manual labour; I have never seen this job mechanised. Maizefarmer has knowledge of this crop and is also an ag engineer so I would think he may have some ideas on this subject.

Rgds
Khonwan

I am getting in on the end of this discussion.........if possible, could we have a short summary of the current economics of growing mansaparang/casava in Thailand:  typical inputs cost per rai, typical kilo/rai return (read up to 30T but hard to believe), typical growing time frame (6 or 8 months?), best variety (along with name/code), current purchase price, best place to grow it in Thailand (we live near a mountainous nature preserve in Pong Nam Ron near Chantaburi (a bit cooler than normal).  Thanks.
If you start at page 1 of this pinned thread you will find the answers to all your questions, except for the growing time frame of 6-8 mnths ,which is about 50% of the minimum time required.

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Posted 2008-07-26 10:54:28

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-07-25 19:40:17, said:

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-25 16:31:02, said:

khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...


Hi importford

I have no experience with sugar cane myself but I have a Thai friend who grows around 1,000 rai of sugar cane nearby - he still uses manual labour; I have never seen this job mechanised. Maizefarmer has knowledge of this crop and is also an ag engineer so I would think he may have some ideas on this subject.

Rgds
Khonwan

Thanks Khonwan,
by the way, my father in law just told me that they also want to built an automatic cassava planter.
he told me that an office of the National farming institute in Dhan Khun tod should have a prototype.
They also got it from Brazil.
The idea is based on an automatic leak planter.
It seems that they modified the machine and it works now as an automatic cassava planter.
Very interesting...
I will try to get some more info

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Posted 2008-07-27 09:31:48

View Postozzydom, on 2008-07-26 10:06:17, said:

View PostJR Texas, on 2008-07-26 08:40:24, said:

View PostKhonwan, on 2008-07-25 19:40:17, said:

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-25 16:31:02, said:

khonwan,

My father in law has every year about 200-250 rai of Cassava.
He owns 500 rai but cultivates sugar canes also.
  

I know you are the cassava specialist,
but do you know if there are automatic sugar cane harvesters in Thailand.
Or is there info from the thai government available.
I found them via internet in Brasil,
but I need plans so that our machine supplier can make the machine.
We have every year more and more problems with workers and staff.
The labor is getting to hard, costs too high,...
automisation is necessary.
The same will come for the cassava:
we will need automatic harvests machines.
We are thinking already of modifying automatic potato harvesters from Europe....
But a solution has to be found because labor problems are getting bigger each year and more costly...


Hi importford

I have no experience with sugar cane myself but I have a Thai friend who grows around 1,000 rai of sugar cane nearby - he still uses manual labour; I have never seen this job mechanised. Maizefarmer has knowledge of this crop and is also an ag engineer so I would think he may have some ideas on this subject.

Rgds
Khonwan

I am getting in on the end of this discussion.........if possible, could we have a short summary of the current economics of growing mansaparang/casava in Thailand:  typical inputs cost per rai, typical kilo/rai return (read up to 30T but hard to believe), typical growing time frame (6 or 8 months?), best variety (along with name/code), current purchase price, best place to grow it in Thailand (we live near a mountainous nature preserve in Pong Nam Ron near Chantaburi (a bit cooler than normal).  Thanks.
If you start at page 1 of this pinned thread you will find the answers to all your questions, except for the growing time frame of 6-8 mnths ,which is about 50% of the minimum time required.

I would like input from farmers with experience growing mansaparang (cassava).  Please confirm or correct the following statements.  This should be of value to those who are contemplating growing mansaparang in Thailand:

1) If you plant variety CMR35-22-196, it is possible to produce 30,000 kg of product per rai  in 6 months (best case scenario)
2) The current selling price range is about 2000-2200 baht per 1000 kg of product
3) Mansaparang needs good drainage, withstands a wide range of  pH, prefers cool temperatures, does not like too much water (can cause root rot), and is bug resistant
4) To maximize yield, plant on elevated rows (promotes drainage), cut three rings around the base of your starter plants (promotes root growth), aggressively remove weeds during the first four months, fertilize every two months, and irrigate as necessary
5) There are several biofuel production facilities—that can process mansaparang and turn it into biofuel--currently under construction in Thailand.  They are scheduled to be completed within the next year
6) There is a danger of overproduction which could cause the sale price to drop dramatically within the next year or two (something the govt. is concerned about)

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Posted 2008-07-27 12:19:44

View Postimportford, on 2008-07-26 10:54:28, said:

...
Thanks Khonwan,
by the way, my father in law just told me that they also want to built an automatic cassava planter.
he told me that an office of the National farming institute in Dhan Khun tod should have a prototype.
They also got it from Brazil.
The idea is based on an automatic leak planter.
It seems that they modified the machine and it works now as an automatic cassava planter.
Very interesting...
I will try to get some more info


Very interesting indeed. Please keep us informed, importford.

Rgds
Khonwan



 


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