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[chrislarsson]

I don't know how big impact the crash in Phuket have had, but I'm sure it has not been helpful.

If it is true that 1-2-Go has a rather old fleet of airplanes, this is more likely to be the main cause. Old models consume almost twice the rate of fuel, and airlines with aging fleets will therefore be much more sensitive to the higher oil price.

Overall, Asian airlines should be in better position to survive than many airlines in the US and Europe. Economies are still going strong in Asia, and Asian airlines tend to use larger models than their European and American counterparts, which are more fuel efficient.

[illy]

whilst everyone enjoys the benefit of low cost airlines in the financial sense this latest shift in the world economy that shrinks airline profits into losses will be very bad news for aviation safety world wide. the first thing management[s] will do cut is cut maintenance costs and with LCC's using many aging planes they are going to be flying time bombs, a crash just waiting to happen.
i trust the aircraft and crews but no way do i trust the CEO's and management of any airline whose only loyalty is to shareholders NOT the safety of it customers. this does not just apply in thailand , ALL airlines are going to be in a similar situation. watch out in the next 12 months for an increase in the % of airline "incidents".

[illy]

also, talking of one two go, will orient thai be suspended as well?

was at phuket airport yesterday[friday approx 4.00pm] saw one of those ancient ''model T ford" 747s they fly , looked like it was ready for takeoff and simply went back to the terminal? testing?? or some failure on the plane??, i would like to know about that if anyone has any info.

[Johpa]

OldgitTom, on 2008-07-19 10:10:23, said:

Johpa, on 2008-07-19 09:13:10, said:

wrecker, on 2008-07-19 01:23:55, said:

Airlines (except for a very few) are mostly run by charlatans. It makes sense to have an airline for status or money laundering.

And where be a more fitting place for such an airline than Thailand, a country long run by charlatans for the sole purpose of laundering money?

Chaiyo!

As compared to what country, Chaiyo? The land that allowed the massive fraud & robbery of Enron, & the 'dodgy' accounting company that abetted it?

Or what about the system of institutionalized theft the West calls 'banking'. Banks print money, then lend it out against assets the do not have. For this, they charge we mugs a percentage. When we can't pay back, they lend us (including our governments) more paper at compounding interest charges. When the debts as a whole reach towards un-pay-back-ability, the pack of cards collapses - look around you.

Then (this is a killer), 'our' governments bail out the banks & put the charge on our tax bill! Old git Tom

Ah, but there is a subtle difference between laundering money and simply printing money with nothing behind it but "consumer confidence". But you got me dead to rights as most countries these days seem to be run by charlatans.

[brahmburgers]

Thai big shots have a way of avoiding responsibilities by changing affiliations.

TRT polititians tried doing that when they saw they'd have to face the music for the misdeeds - they just quit the party at the 11th hour and, presto, no responsibility (the next day, they can say; "I'm no longer a member of TRT, so that's the end of it.")

Even Thai gov't ministers slip from responsibility - by saying, in effect, "I no longer hold that office, so how can I be held accountable for what happened earlier? Ask the new minister, if you've got a contentious issue."

So it will go for Mr. Udom and 1-2-Gone - at least from his perspective.

[iang]

The skies over Thailand just became a far safer place! The land too - at least that part of the land directly under their flight path!

Couldn't be happier

[chrislarsson]

iang, on 2008-07-19 13:46:04, said:

The skies over Thailand just became a far safer place! The land too - at least that part of the land directly under their flight path!

Couldn't be happier

On average there are about 1 casualty per year due to air accidents in Thailand. In contrast, there are about 30,000 casualties in traffic accidents.

It's surely much safer now

[zepplin]

marshbags, on 2008-07-19 07:56:12, said:

macduff, on 2008-07-19 01:26:04, said:

holidaybob, on 2008-07-19 02:14:52, said:

They could change the name to One Thats Gone

How about one-two-gone

It,s not just the domestic situation, which incidently effects many thousands of Thai and foreign visitors alike.

If we could fast forward to a year from now, unless the situation changes and returns to levels that are manageable, the international costs of flying that effect many of us worldwide, will be out of reach for many who vsit their home countries for whatever of the many personal reasons.

It doesn,t look encouraging at all, i,m sad to say, and will only get worse IMHO

marshbags ened by the prospect.

YES THE GOVERMENT SAID 17 MILLION VISITORS CAME HERE LAST YEAR,THEY HAVE DOWNGRADED IT TO 15 MILLION BUT THAT IS WILDLY OPTIMISTIC I THINK ,IN SAMUI WE ARE DOWN AT LEAST 30% AND THATS WITH THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT TICKETS 6-12 MONTHS AGO..ITS GOING TO GET ONLY MORE EXPENSIVE IF OIL KEEPS RISING.THE THAIS LIKE TO COMPENSATE THE FEWER PEOPLE WITH HIGHER PRICES,WHICH DOENT HELP... OH WELL TIME FOR A MASSAGE AND A BEER..

[catmac]

The demise of 1-2-die (I do like that name, most fitting!) really has nothing to do with the price of oil and everything to do with their cavalier attitude towards safety. I predicted elsewhere on this forum that their days were numbered, and like most of you I'm pleased to see the back of them!

LCC should in theory be no more vulnerable to rising fuel costs than any other airline, less so in fact as they are often far more flexible in matching their routes and capacity to actual demand. Too many of the big "flag" carriers are operating on routes that will never be profitable out of feelings of National pride and prestige.

[jbhh]

I like all the names you people came up with

Here's one more 1..(that had).. 2... go..

My parents just canceled their plans to come over for christmas, due to the ticket prices

At least they booked for Eastern now, let's just hope they don't come up with the idea to add fuel charges at a later point of time.

Al this crap reminds me of the "water car" introduced last month by the Japanese, which piggy back rides on meyer's water car from the 80s. Instead of cutting down flight, why don't these big companies move in together an develop their own hydrogen powered jet engines, with Meyer's electrolysis technique used by the japanese in their car now, they could simply put water in the wings and convert it to hydrogen "on the fly"

Edited by jbhh, 2008-07-19 15:21:32.

[mahtin]

jbhh, on 2008-07-19 10:20:40, said:

I like all the names you people came up with

Here's one more 1..(that had).. 2... go..

My parents just canceled their plans to come over for christmas, due to the ticket prices

At least they booked for Eastern now, let's just hope they don't come up with the idea to add fuel charges at a later point of time.

Al this crap reminds me of the "water car" introduced last month by the Japanese, which piggy back rides on meyer's water car from the 80s. Instead of cutting down flight, why don't these big companies move in together an develop their own hydrogen powered jet engines, with Meyer's electrolysis technique used by the japanese in their car now, they could simply put water in the wings and convert it to hydrogen "on the fly"

Water wings
Why didn't Leonardo da Vinci think of that?

[frodo]

Do not Pass Go, Do Not Collect 200baht

[THAILIBAN]

iang, on 2008-07-19 13:46:04, said:

The skies over Thailand just became a far safer place! The land too - at least that part of the land directly under their flight path!

Couldn't be happier

couldnt agree more !!!!
what a lovely day !!!!

lets hope their innocent staff will be able to find new jobs in the aviation industry soon.....

and lets hope scumbag UDOM will never have anything to do with aviation is his life.... except being a paying passenger.....

Edited by THAILIBAN, 2008-07-19 17:35:18.

[whopper]

I won;t miss that md-80 coming over my house. it was very loud, windows rattle etc.those planes had to have been about 25 years old, what junk. good riddance, happy day in my ears.

[AoNuDa]

[/quote]

Or what about the system of institutionalized theft the West calls 'banking'. Banks print money, then lend it out against assets the do not have. For this, they charge we mugs a percentage. When we can't pay back, they lend us (including our governments) more paper at compounding interest charges. When the debts as a whole reach towards un-pay-back-ability, the pack of cards collapses - look around you.

Then (this is a killer), 'our' governments bail out the banks & put the charge on our tax bill! Old git Tom
[/quote]

So true. A good whack on a bunch of nails' heads !! Thanks for that. Governments and banks share the same bed.

[geriatrickid]

When will TG, Nok & Bangkok hike their airfares?
The reduction in capacity will certainly benefit their Pax loads.
Never flew the "Wings of Death" but they helped keep airfare from entering the gouging zone.
Gonna be brutal for some people this christmas season.

[henryalleman]

brahmburgers, on 2008-07-19 08:42:40, said:

Thai big shots have a way of avoiding responsibilities by changing affiliations.

TRT polititians tried doing that when they saw they'd have to face the music for the misdeeds - they just quit the party at the 11th hour and, presto, no responsibility (the next day, they can say; "I'm no longer a member of TRT, so that's the end of it.")

Even Thai gov't ministers slip from responsibility - by saying, in effect, "I no longer hold that office, so how can I be held accountable for what happened earlier? Ask the new minister, if you've got a contentious issue."

So it will go for Mr. Udom and 1-2-Gone - at least from his perspective.

Also Phuket airlines is banned in France, due to unsafe airplanes.

see also airlines blaclist
http://www.travel-im...-blacklist.html

http://www.1001crash...noire-lg-2.html

[Garry]

GungaDin, on 2008-07-18 22:54:29, said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More BS from Udom's office!


Quote;
Relatives of the victims in the Phuket crash have started a web-site, www.investigateudom.com , to campaign for an investigation into Udom's business conduct. is the reason.

It has nothing to do with the price of oil (or fish)

Let's hope this gangster never has anything to do with aviation again.



BTW, does Phuket airport have rain channels in the runway yet?

I think not.

meelousee, on 2008-07-19 03:07:08, said:

One to Go fitting name. They fly junk anyway, glad they are gone before one fell out of the sky and killed a plane load of people

They did...http://www.investigateudom.com/

Quote

“After the crash of Flight OG 269 resulting in 90 deaths........

[lifeisadream]

I am surprised (shocked!) that so many readers have negative feelings toward one,two, go. It suggests that there is a consensus that AirAsia, Bangkok Air, and Nok are considrably better than one, two, go was in mos ways.

The way I looked at it. One,two,go provided the most straight-forward, cheap transportation from the better airport. Theey ween't looking to scam anyone for any exra money (priority boading, baggage, etc.)There aircraft may have been old but air worthy. The added risk in that department were minimal.

Ther promotions provided the cheapest and easiest to obtain seats. The ground staff and cabin crew looked fresh and happy.

Comparing them with AirAsia. There ticketing structure is purposefully deceptive. They look for ways to sell your seat another time or see to it that any charge costs are prohibitive (even though adjusted automatically by their computer). The staff are harried, rumppled, and confused. They are paid peanuts...for the presige of flying. They run their seating protocol like a 3rd class bus. They NEVER bend their rules (I saw them refuse to board a slow walking person because they arrived at the gate too late). There is no contact number to call to complain. Their vibration is greed.

Bangkok Air! My god. They are the most expensive per mile, greedest airline on the planet. There airport destroyed the envirnment within 3 kilometers of their airport in Ko Samai. They charge crazy "airport-tax" for their own airport! Their flights to Siem Reap were in partnership with Hun Sen who gave them monopoly and opportunity to charge "Ko Sami fares".

I wouldn't focus too much on an opinion that the airlone was run to launder money. I tend to consider "what was the flying experience like". Considering all the anxisety around security, geting there on time, finding a parking space, having your I.D. with you, etc. Seating in an assigned seat along with flight attendents who are "jy yen" always made me feel like I made the right choice.

[Supaporn]

lifeisadream, on 2008-07-20 12:28:43, said:

I am surprised (shocked!) that so many readers have negative feelings toward one,two, go. It suggests that there is a consensus that AirAsia, Bangkok Air, and Nok are considrably better than one, two, go was in mos ways.

I was initially surprised at the comment.... but the 'dream' name put it all into perspective! If you had ANY knowledge of 'one,two, go' and their management's practices you might find yourself 'shocked!' by your own positive feelings for that, hopefully, defunked airline.

.... oh, dream on - life is happier that way.......

[Flatouthruthefog]

Supaporn, on 2008-07-20 11:59:08, said:

lifeisadream, on 2008-07-20 12:28:43, said:

I am surprised (shocked!) that so many readers have negative feelings toward one,two, go. It suggests that there is a consensus that AirAsia, Bangkok Air, and Nok are considrably better than one, two, go was in mos ways.

I was initially surprised at the comment.... but the 'dream' name put it all into perspective! If you had ANY knowledge of 'one,two, go' and their management's practices you might find yourself 'shocked!' by your own positive feelings for that, hopefully, defunked airline.

.... oh, dream on - life is happier that way.......

Yes 1,000%!
"What was the flying experience like" for those 98 poor souls who perished in Phuket thanks to the criminal practices and negligence of this sham airline? The tragic answer is another aeronautical expression: it was terminal.
Dream on - or read the blogs from so many people who really do know!

[Crushdepth]

Dodgy airlines with crap safety standards and second-rate pilots shouldn't be allowed to fly in the first place.

[sibeymai]

1-2-Go's license to fly was suspended by the Thai Department of Civil Aviation about a week prior to Udom's announcement that the airline was suspending operations due to "financual restructuring", according to the investigateudom website. !-2-Go was given an extra week before the license was withdrawn, apparently so Udom could concoct a face saving story.

Udom has been caught lying again.

Anyone who now contemplates flying Orient Thai must be crazy. The question being asked now is if 1-2-Go is not safe to fly, and it shares management with Orient Thai, how can Orent Thai still be flying ?

[nothingleftbutfaith]

sibeymai, on 2008-07-20 14:07:11, said:

1-2-Go's license to fly was suspended by the Thai Department of Civil Aviation about a week prior to Udom's announcement that the airline was suspending operations due to "financual restructuring", according to the investigateudom website. !-2-Go was given an extra week before the license was withdrawn, apparently so Udom could concoct a face saving story.

Udom has been caught lying again.

Anyone who now contemplates flying Orient Thai must be crazy. The question being asked now is if 1-2-Go is not safe to fly, and it shares management with Orient Thai, how can Orent Thai still be flying ?

Good riddance. Udom you are a typical piece of hi-so Shit

[catmac]

lifeisadream, on 2008-07-20 12:28:43, said:

I am surprised (shocked!) that so many readers have negative feelings toward one,two, go. .......... Seating in an assigned seat along with flight attendents who are "jy yen" always made me feel like I made the right choice.

I know this will sound cynical, but I suppose having "asigned seating" might have made the job of identifying the charred corpses of those poor souls who flew to Phuket a little easier!

Scum like Udom should never have been allowed to operate an airline in the first place, I hope that there will now be a full investigation into why:-

1) It took so long after that fatal crash for the Thai Authorities to suspend its licence?, and

2) How did they ever get their licence in the first place?

I know it's just wishful thinking, and we can all probably guess the answer to the second point.

Edited by catmac, 2008-07-20 15:53:05.