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[steveromagnino]

younghusband, on 2008-08-19 09:00:17, said:

But there is something very troubling about statements made (by thoughtful people) that she can expect unlimited credit from banks and loads of free stuff from developers as a VIP customer.I don't doubt it all but this tells us something about the fundamental problems in the Thai public service.

Just to clarify my position; it is normal that celebrities, well known people and respected figures don't pay retail.

For many things.  As a person used to dealing with many of the high society wives, I know full well their expectation of freebies and giveaways from the fashion industry; and yes, they get them.  

Smart people also tend not to have to pay retail either.  They know how to negotiate.

This is not kick backs or corruption.  This is how the world works.  I am a fortunate beneficiary of this system in many aspects of life because of being considered (wrongly for the most part) as somewhat of a VIP customer to have.

FOr instance, the local owner of Cementmart might see her come in, say, 'Oh I like you so much, here have a 30% discount, I really respect the work you are doing in willing to get yourself abducted or killed as per the human rights lawyer, simply because you are doing what you believe is right'

Or might say, 'hmmmm I give this person a 30 discount, and hopefully she will tell her friends about my tiling skills'

As a non Thai public service person I fail to see how this is in any way bad.  It isnt' patronage system so much as astute marketing by various vendors.

if however, someone is giving her free concrete so she will send Thaksin to jail....well that is something else entirely.   however, I don't really see that this is the case.... countless other civil servants ESPECIALLY during the TRT years were the take massively, but I don't see her as one of them.

Edited by steveromagnino, 2008-08-19 15:30:13.

[younghusband]

steveromagnino, on 2008-08-19 15:26:05, said:

younghusband, on 2008-08-19 09:00:17, said:

But there is something very troubling about statements made (by thoughtful people) that she can expect unlimited credit from banks and loads of free stuff from developers as a VIP customer.I don't doubt it all but this tells us something about the fundamental problems in the Thai public service.

Just to clarify my position; it is normal that celebrities, well known people and respected figures don't pay retail.

For many things.  As a person used to dealing with many of the high society wives, I know full well their expectation of freebies and giveaways from the fashion industry; and yes, they get them.  

Smart people also tend not to have to pay retail either.  They know how to negotiate.

This is not kick backs or corruption.  This is how the world works.  I am a fortunate beneficiary of this system in many aspects of life because of being considered (wrongly for the most part) as somewhat of a VIP customer to have.

FOr instance, the local owner of Cementmart might see her come in, say, 'Oh I like you so much, here have a 30% discount, I really respect the work you are doing in willing to get yourself abducted or killed as per the human rights lawyer, simply because you are doing what you believe is right'

Or might say, 'hmmmm I give this person a 30 discount, and hopefully she will tell her friends about my tiling skills'

As a non Thai public service person I fail to see how this is in any way bad.  It isnt' patronage system so much as astute marketing by various vendors.

if however, someone is giving her free concrete so she will send Thaksin to jail....well that is something else entirely.   however, I don't really see that this is the case.... countless other civil servants ESPECIALLY during the TRT years were the take massively, but I don't see her as one of them.

If a public servant gets retail prices nobody can possibly object.If a public servant has expectations of freebies and giveaways that is completely wrong.I think you also do Khunying Jaruvan a misjustice.She is a hard working middle class public servant, worlds away from the vulgar hiso fashion world.Actually the genuine Thai upper echelon wives are often very simple in their tastes and often do excellent and unsung charity work.Genuine class speaks for itself.

[steveromagnino]

younghusband, on 2008-08-20 11:07:26, said:

If a public servant gets retail prices nobody can possibly object.If a public servant has expectations of freebies and giveaways that is completely wrong.I think you also do Khunying Jaruvan a misjustice.She is a hard working middle class public servant, worlds away from the vulgar hiso fashion world.Actually the genuine Thai upper echelon wives are often very simple in their tastes and often do excellent and unsung charity work.Genuine class speaks for itself.

I doubt many public servants have expectations of freebies or giveaways.

Certainly the former PM's wife was one non public servant who was a permanent fixture on the freebie list and most definitely a member of the vulgar hiso fashion set, as is one the son.  

Or should I saw was.

And should I really say son, when perhaps 3 daughters is a better more apt description.  

Genuine class is indeed a far cry from pretention.

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steveromagnino, on 2008-08-19 15:26:05, said:

younghusband, on 2008-08-19 09:00:17, said:

But there is something very troubling about statements made (by thoughtful people) that she can expect unlimited credit from banks and loads of free stuff from developers as a VIP customer.I don't doubt it all but this tells us something about the fundamental problems in the Thai public service.

For many things.  As a person used to dealing with many of the high society wives, I know full well their expectation of freebies and giveaways from the fashion industry; and yes, they get them.  

Much like famous movie stars 'shops' for free in many large stores in the UK and US as they are seen as walking ad-posters (or that is the hope anyway).

[younghusband]

steveromagnino, on 2008-08-20 17:33:51, said:

younghusband, on 2008-08-20 11:07:26, said:

If a public servant gets retail prices nobody can possibly object.If a public servant has expectations of freebies and giveaways that is completely wrong.I think you also do Khunying Jaruvan a misjustice.She is a hard working middle class public servant, worlds away from the vulgar hiso fashion world.Actually the genuine Thai upper echelon wives are often very simple in their tastes and often do excellent and unsung charity work.Genuine class speaks for itself.

I doubt many public servants have expectations of freebies or giveaways.

Certainly the former PM's wife was one non public servant who was a permanent fixture on the freebie list and most definitely a member of the vulgar hiso fashion set, as is one the son.  

Or should I saw was.

And should I really say son, when perhaps 3 daughters is a better more apt description.  

Genuine class is indeed a far cry from pretention.

Agree everything you say.I have the privilege of knowing three Khunyings a little bit.All are well off because one occupies a very senior banking position (I suppose that may give it away!),one is married to a successful and honest businessman and one has royal connections.All three are kind and thoughtful, spend a lot of effort (but quietly and without self publicity) on charity work and light years away from the greed and vulgarity of Pojaman and her ilk.They are upper class Thais at their best, and with a grace and charm that is matchless.

Edited by younghusband, 2008-08-20 17:45:37.