^ Condescending on another level there. Tarring the entire nation with the same brush, claiming progress is beyond the average Thai person.
10,000 people would (strongly) disagree.
About 10,000 People Demonstrate In Front Of British Embassy
Started by george, 2008-08-19 12:18
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FatherF
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-20 17:49:18
Maybe the respective governments could do a swap? Thaksin for Garry Glitter?
Just a thought................................. 
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Los78
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-20 18:13:33
[quote name='Insight' date='2008-08-20 16:54:48' post='2157496']
If it's all about power why have the leaders the PAD repeatedly refused to form a political party? How come no other political party is being promoted? The only person to yell "coup" over the past few months has been PPP's very own Samak. It's impossible to deny that Shondi has a very personal grievance with Thaksin, but that doesn't prevent the cause from being just. Regards, Another Poster The only reason why PAD dont form a political party is that its too much work for them.... Much easier to go around causing division about any minor topic that they can find. Also Sondhi has too many skeletons in his closet..... He has taken many pieces of the pie back in the day..... He just didnt get enough as what Taksin did so what else can a bitter old man with a huge grudge....... How can anyone believe he is some Saint or else he and his paid drop kicks would of formed a party by now and actually contributed to making a Thailand a better place...... Oh well what can you expect from military Juntas political wing.... Edited by Los78, 2008-08-20 18:15:58. #104
Journalist
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-20 18:51:08
^Sondhi doesn't have a reputation of being a Saint - not with the folk I know who have worked for him.
Perhaps PAD is better than the other lot. They certainly don't have much to beat do they ! But wiith Sondhi at the helm and with the reluctance of the movement to fight via the democratic ballot box, I don't see it in binary 'good vs evil' terms at this point. its not yet black and white, just seems to be two cliques fighting for influence. I hope PAD proves me wrong and transprent government is attained, as thats what folk want. #105
Plus
Star Member Posted 2008-08-20 21:01:01
Thanks to PAD we have some sort of transparency even in this abomination of the government, forcing it do what it is supposed to do - govern the country.
It's quite possible that the latest six measures to help the poor came out in response to PAD's critisism that makes its way into mainstream media as well. I know it's a bit of a stretch, but they look very much like ad hoc solutions cooked up in a matter of weeks and there's no sign of any serious long term policies or even a sense of direction. Perhaps PAD should demand that to get the government going. #106
Thai at Heart
Sabai Sabai Member Posted 2008-08-20 23:16:14
^ Condescending on another level there. Tarring the entire nation with the same brush, claiming progress is beyond the average Thai person. 10,000 people would (strongly) disagree. If clean government was an issue where were all these people in Chavalit's or Banharn's time. These protests are not to do with clean government at all, but about resisting change, democracy and misplaced nationalism. The status quo was shaken so much by TRT, that even with over 100 of its people banned, the Bangkok poster boy still couldn't win. If progress entails appointed lower legislatures, accepting constitutions written under military rule, military coups whenever the few see fit and all the other poppycock being spouted at these rallies, then heaven help this country. 10000 might disagree, I am glad, that is democracy. #107
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2008-08-20 23:22:46
Looks like PAD reads Thaksin like a book.... of the cheap, dime-store, novel variety...
http://www.thaivisa....ri-t207558.html Go to first unread: Thaksin To Seek Political Asylum In Britain, claims he and his family are not safe in Thailand Edited by sriracha john, 2008-08-20 23:24:24. #108
Tony Clifton
Platinum Member Posted 2008-08-21 01:16:14
If it's all about power why have the leaders the PAD repeatedly refused to form a political party? How come no other political party is being promoted? The only person to yell "coup" over the past few months has been PPP's very own Samak. It's impossible to deny that Shondi has a very personal grievance with Thaksin, but that doesn't prevent the cause from being just. Regards, Another Poster The only reason why PAD dont form a political party is that its too much work for them.... The only reason why PAD does not form a political party is because they once said at the beginning: WE WILL NEVER FORM A POLITICAL PARTY AND REMIN A WATCHDOG! Much easier to go around causing division about any minor topic that they can find. Ministers with fake degrees are minor topics? Ministers promoting murderous sons are minor topics? Hurried and secret constitutional changes are minor topics? Secret deals to change border lines are minor topics? Trying to derail the judiciary to save their criminal asses is a minor topic? Prime Minister selling his own company for over a billion and not paying once cent in taxes is a minor topic? I could easily add a hundred more lines. Also Sondhi has too many skeletons in his closet..... He has taken many pieces of the pie back in the day..... He just didnt get enough as what Taksin did so what else can a bitter old man with a huge grudge.... Where are the official accusations/criminal charges on this? Speculation until someone does or you do bring forward such documents or newsprint. How can anyone believe he is some Saint or else he and his paid drop kicks would of formed a party by now and actually contributed to making a Thailand a better place...... Oh well what can you expect from military Juntas political wing.... Again, they said right from the start they are not a political party but a watchdog. Busted myths are in red Edited by Tony Clifton, 2008-08-21 01:17:09. #109
sjaak327
Super Member Posted 2008-08-21 01:45:26
[Again, they said right from the start they are not a political party but a watchdog. Too bad this particular watchdog is suffering from "selective barking" 
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bulmercke
Super Member Posted 2008-08-21 02:27:38
can someone please explain the PAD to me? obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation... so wtf is PAD's role in all of this? Sorry.....I'm so 'dumbed down' that I can't reply about anything now - #111
Plutarch
Member Posted 2008-08-21 06:46:00
Reading the runes of Thai politics is always interesting if for only one reason and that is guessing who is actually batting for whom.
Thaksin was unique in modern Thai politics in that he headed a party which actually constituted a government against which an equally defined opposition was ranged in parliament. Whatever one may say about the suffrage it was a fact that democracy in Thailand enjoyed a respect hitherto not recognised and Thaksinomics became a force worth considering by other Asean countries. Stability ensued and folk got richer. But then he forgot his old chums and rose above his station actually thinking that he truly was the man chosen by the people instead of a by product of deal brokering finagled by the very coterie he was neglecting. Megalomania is one thing but to forget to spread the take around and not bestowing grace and favours in the time honoured way was unforgiveable and he paid the price. But the TRT are back in power and his puppet Samak is there to do his bidding. So what's happening? The war is far from over and all that has happened is that Thaksin has withdrawn temporarily from the field for tactical reasons. He's playing for time but his standard flies high. Trouble is, who will flock to it and how many will nail their colours to his mast? #112
Plus
Star Member Posted 2008-08-21 08:26:15 Quote If clean government was an issue where were all these people in Chavalit's or Banharn's time Writing the 1997 Constution. Quote democracy in Thailand enjoyed a respect hitherto not recognised On the contrary - democracy was dead in the tracks and 1997 Consitution was completely subverted. Quote forget to spread the take around PAD is a mass, middle class based movement, it's a lot bigger than Sondhi or whoever else might feel being passed at the cake party. #113
Thai at Heart
Sabai Sabai Member Posted 2008-08-21 09:12:15
Quote If clean government was an issue where were all these people in Chavalit's or Banharn's time Writing the 1997 Constution. Quote democracy in Thailand enjoyed a respect hitherto not recognised On the contrary - democracy was dead in the tracks and 1997 Consitution was completely subverted. Quote forget to spread the take around PAD is a mass, middle class based movement, it's a lot bigger than Sondhi or whoever else might feel being passed at the cake party. It is a mass which at the ballot box is outnumbered by the poor and disenfranchised. So the PAD won't be able to get what it wants until successive governments start rural development and education so that these poor upcountry folk can feel the wealth too. Or is the PAD campaigning for dictatorship? They were campaigning for Thaksin out. They have their wish. They wanted TRT out. Over 100 people are banned from politics. They have their constitution which was voted for under military rule. But what do they actually want now? The reason for them campaigning now is very different from that when they started. The message that they are giving changes month by month and day by day. There is only one common theme. Something is wrong and the only solution is to turn back in time viewed through rose tinted glasses. I am very curious however to which point in Thailand's glorious political and economic history they would like to turn the clock? Secondly, I am very curious as to why they would like to turn the clock back and why this would be beneficial to the country as a whole? #114
Journalist
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-21 10:46:21
The only reason why PAD does not form a political party is because they once said at the beginning: WE WILL NEVER FORM A POLITICAL PARTY AND REMIN A WATCHDOG! This is not a reason. Saying you refuse to do something is not the reason why you don't do it. Reason goes along the lines of. ....With vote-buying still endemic in Thailand, there's no point contesting an election if there is chronic cheating going on. #115
Plus
Star Member Posted 2008-08-21 11:06:58
PAD was formed with a sole mission in mind - get rid of Thaksin. They never planned to compete with him in the elections - they argued he is unfit to run in the first place.
They demanded solution to Thaksin's lelad problems, ie accusations of corruption. These problems must be adressed in courts not in elections. Calls for PAD to form a party are totally misplaced. Also, by asking PAD to sort it out via elections you exclude judicial branch and the rule of law altogether as irrelevant. Quote It is a mass which at the ballot box is outnumbered by the poor and disenfranchised. So what? Being outnumbered doesn't make you wrong or illegitimate, and it certainly doesn't mean that you can't demand transparency and accountability from the government. In fact it seems that outside of PAD no one really cares, or that anyone who cares, is aligned with PAD one way or another. There's no "third force", no alternative to PAD, it hasn't manifested itself in the past three years in any meaningful shape or form. If you want to improve anything in this country, PAD is practically the only way. #116
TAWP
Libertarian Member Posted 2008-08-21 11:32:11
Well have you ever wondered why the governement wants to change the Charter?????? The PAD installed the Illegal military Junta with its antics and made this mess and all the governemnt is trying to do is fix it so we have a workable parliament. How can you let a Currupt military install people with out the people's vote?? Thats dictatorship no matter what spin you put on it!......  With your displayed knowledge of Thai politics and current events there is no further need to ask for your view. But thanks anyway. #117
Journalist
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-21 11:54:34
PAD was formed with a sole mission in mind - get rid of Thaksin. They never planned to compete with him in the elections - they argued he is unfit to run in the first place. They demanded solution to Thaksin's lelad problems, ie accusations of corruption. These problems must be adressed in courts not in elections. Calls for PAD to form a party are totally misplaced. Also, by asking PAD to sort it out via elections you exclude judicial branch and the rule of law altogether as irrelevant. Good answer. #118
Los78
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-21 14:36:57
Well have you ever wondered why the governement wants to change the Charter?????? The PAD installed the Illegal military Junta with its antics and made this mess and all the governemnt is trying to do is fix it so we have a workable parliament. How can you let a Currupt military install people with out the people's vote?? Thats dictatorship no matter what spin you put on it!...... With your displayed knowledge of Thai politics and current events there is no further need to ask for your view. But thanks anyway. Just trying to balance it up a bit with the so called Thai political experts on this forum...... Maybe you are one. Freedom of speech still exists here does'nt it??.  The Military hasn't toppled a democratically elected governement since I last checked and let's hope it does not do it again.... #119
poshthai
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-21 14:56:38
what i find disgusting is that a thai cannot enter the uk with a criminal record,and yet taxsins wife is allowed in.Money talks even in england.
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jitagon
Senior Member Posted 2008-08-21 15:03:06
what i find disgusting is that a thai cannot enter the uk with a criminal record,and yet taxsins wife is allowed in.Money talks even in england. Yes well. I know for a fact that an ordinary Thai wouldn't even bother to try to enter the UK with a criminal record when all he/she has to do is buy off the relevant department to erase any such record. Not something can be done in the UK. #121
Thai at Heart
Sabai Sabai Member Posted 2008-08-21 15:16:15
PAD was formed with a sole mission in mind - get rid of Thaksin. They never planned to compete with him in the elections - they argued he is unfit to run in the first place. They demanded solution to Thaksin's lelad problems, ie accusations of corruption. These problems must be adressed in courts not in elections. Calls for PAD to form a party are totally misplaced. Also, by asking PAD to sort it out via elections you exclude judicial branch and the rule of law altogether as irrelevant. Quote It is a mass which at the ballot box is outnumbered by the poor and disenfranchised. So what? Being outnumbered doesn't make you wrong or illegitimate, and it certainly doesn't mean that you can't demand transparency and accountability from the government. In fact it seems that outside of PAD no one really cares, or that anyone who cares, is aligned with PAD one way or another. There's no "third force", no alternative to PAD, it hasn't manifested itself in the past three years in any meaningful shape or form. If you want to improve anything in this country, PAD is practically the only way. The ten thousand may well be campaigning for transparency in government. Those pulling the strings appear to be campaigning for something completely different. If the reason for them doing what they are doing is to demand transparency, they had better plan to be sitting on the streets for the terms of the next few goverments also. They are not pro transparency, they are anti-Thaksin. #122
fuzedcon
Advanced Member Posted 2008-08-21 15:42:16
PAD is a mass, middle class based movement, it's a lot bigger than Sondhi or whoever else might feel being passed at the cake party. Absolutely right you are - 10 000 supposedly educated people (and a few soon to be retired high ranked generals in the background) who support progressive policies such as going to war against Cambodia over an old temple, the appointment of 70% of the parliament, and a staggering amount of loony conspiracy theories. Thank god there are still a couple of million people who just want to get on with life, and couldn't give a feck. #123
Plutarch
Member Posted 2008-08-21 16:35:31
Overlooking the significance of Thaksin's 5 years as the leader of the first democratically elected government to remain in office for a full term is foolish indeed. Many, quite rightly, consider it as the waypoint to modernity and most yearn for a return to the stability it marked.
The PAD is nothing more than a coalescence of vested political interests frustrated at not getting their snouts in the trough and simply constitute a pressure group organised with the sole aim of thwarting Thaksin. That it attracts the intelligentsia and " middle class " of Bangkok may suggest a constituency of respectability underpinning a viable political force but that is in truth quite illusory as demonstrated by the PPP/TRT victory. Once the deals have been cut, the PAD will evaporate and Thaksin will be back. Some posters here seem to confuse analysis with wishful thinking. #124
Thai at Heart
Sabai Sabai Member Posted 2008-08-21 16:50:18
Overlooking the significance of Thaksin's 5 years as the leader of the first democratically elected government to remain in office for a full term is foolish indeed. Many, quite rightly, consider it as the waypoint to modernity and most yearn for a return to the stability it marked. The PAD is nothing more than a coalescence of vested political interests frustrated at not getting their snouts in the trough and simply constitute a pressure group organised with the sole aim of thwarting Thaksin. That it attracts the intelligentsia and " middle class " of Bangkok may suggest a constituency of respectability underpinning a viable political force but that is in truth quite illusory as demonstrated by the PPP/TRT victory. Once the deals have been cut, the PAD will evaporate and Thaksin will be back. Some posters here seem to confuse analysis with wishful thinking. Attracting connected/old money doesn't mean intelligensia. That indeed would be wishful thinking. #125
frodo
Super Member Posted 2008-08-21 17:09:56
Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.
 Quote On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office. The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money. Source: http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=129829 |
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