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[whatsoever]

The UK is unlikely to return Mr T to a country with such a questionable human rights abuse history. (funny realy - ironic funny - that it was he whom most recently added to the record)

Maybe he is a more masterfull player than given credit

[plachon]

[quote name='younghusband' post='2155271' date='2008-08-19 11:42:37'][quote name='plachon' post='2155168' date='2008-08-19 16:54:13'][quote name='younghusband' post='2155056' date='2008-08-19 10:10:05'][quote name='Plus' post='2154964' date='2008-08-19 15:24:18'][quote]I asked a few friends in the UK if they knew about Taksin/Thai politics etc. and none of them had a clue,[/quote]

That's why Home Office (is that what it's called in the UK?) will probably not ask your few friends' opinions when Thaksin's issue comes up, but they'll surely get a report from the embassy.

It sends a clear message - political opposition to Thaksin is not going to subside anytime soon and the UK might get itself accused of taking sides and it might face prolonged demonstrations outside their embassy.
[/quote]


The British Ambassador and his political staff will have been sending detailed reports back to the FCO for months on the crisis in Thailand.At the same time there will have been close consultation between embassies of friendly powers, particularly the Europeans, the Japanese, the Americans and the Australians.If you seriously think that there is much misunderstanding of the significance of the PAD, its charletan leadership, profoundly undemocratic agenda and reactionary politics then I suggest you might want to reconsider.I strongly suspect the embassies will also be very well aware of the PAD's shadowy backers and funding sources.The irony is that the PAD's antics rather serve to prove Thaksin's contention that he would not be treated fairly in Thailand.But again I appreciate that as PAD becomes marginalised the leadership becomes nuttier by the day.
[/quote]

And this coming from a person who wrote off the PAD months ago as a has-been organisation. Your sense of judgement and ability to see where the political situation is at in Thailand is so off, that to suggest that PAD is "marginalised" and then throw up a well-organised demo in the heart of Bangkok shows who is rather "nutty" these days.

I personally think it is a wise move by PAD and shows that they are keeping Thaksin at the forefront of the public's eye, not only domestically but internationally, so no matter what the Thai or British governments decide to do with this unwanted fugitive from justice, he's not just going to be able to swan around in protected anonymity. Human rights groups in UK I would hope are tracking his movements and preparing some custard pies for any public appearances he may decide to make. I think it is a great shame that such a despicable character with such a black record of human rights abuses should be able to take refuge in Britain purely on account of his financial status, when there are hundreds of deserving political asylum seekers refused entry each year as they are too poor to warrant sympathetic treatment from immigration authorities.

PAD's pro-active actions are to be applauded and should serve as a wake-up call that Thaksin is not going to slip from the public consciousness like past wannabe return dictators in Thailand's modern history. It should also push the Thai govt to get the ball rolling in requesting extradition, after letting the sewer rat have a wide open escape route.

Hopefully Tax-sin, with his notoriously poor command of the English language, will mis-read the banners as "Thaksin come home" and rush down to Heathrow for the next flight to Thailand.
[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion but it is not in my view really a very sophisticated response.I am not sure from your custard pie references and other yah boo type comments whether you intend to be taken seriously anyway.On one point you are plain wrong however and that is the marginalisation of PAD.It is development that has been widely noted by various political commentators many of them quite sympathetic to PAD's original agenda.To that extent my comments of a few months ago were quite prescient.

If Thaksin's human rights abuses represent his real crimes, as I tend to agree, why doesn't the PAD put them to the top of its agenda?
[/quote]

I'm merely taking your sage advice to lighten up and not take oneself too seriously, as we are merely interested observers of the ongoing stageplay being enacted on Bangkok's streets and now England's green and pleasant land (made maginally less pleasant when bail-dodging human rights abusing scum are let in and given sanctuary). So what's your excuse for being so dull and morbid about the PAD and Toxin's antics?

Seriously though, I would contend that this demo is a clear signal that PAD are not marginalised and are definitely not a spent political force, but are continually shaping and reshaping the Thai political scene in ways that suggest to me a maturity of some sections of Thai real politik. Like yourself though, I abhor the nationalistic element of PAD or any group and the way this is manipulated (as over Khao Phra Viharn) by certain elements to become the central issue. It will mature even further when Toxin's human rights abuses are put firmly on the list of charges against the man and his cohorts, as well as his capitalist cronyism and corruption antics. But as you know, the web of intrigue and guilt by association over this prickly subject is so complex, that unpicking it is more than the present day Thai justice system could handle, without a massive cathartic purging of the present day power structures, which would be hideously unstabilising and risk sending Thailand back in time, rather than a managed progression of the present wobbly status quo.

7,000 people (presumably on a voluntary basis) in a capital city outside a foreign embassy is not a sign of marginalisation, but a fairly mainstream political movement, in my book anyway.

There, that suit your gravitas tastes any better?

[younghusband]

[quote name='plachon' post='2155336' date='2008-08-19 18:10:29'][quote name='younghusband' post='2155271' date='2008-08-19 11:42:37'][quote name='plachon' post='2155168' date='2008-08-19 16:54:13'][quote name='younghusband' post='2155056' date='2008-08-19 10:10:05'][quote name='Plus' post='2154964' date='2008-08-19 15:24:18'][quote]I asked a few friends in the UK if they knew about Taksin/Thai politics etc. and none of them had a clue,[/quote]

That's why Home Office (is that what it's called in the UK?) will probably not ask your few friends' opinions when Thaksin's issue comes up, but they'll surely get a report from the embassy.

It sends a clear message - political opposition to Thaksin is not going to subside anytime soon and the UK might get itself accused of taking sides and it might face prolonged demonstrations outside their embassy.
[/quote]


The British Ambassador and his political staff will have been sending detailed reports back to the FCO for months on the crisis in Thailand.At the same time there will have been close consultation between embassies of friendly powers, particularly the Europeans, the Japanese, the Americans and the Australians.If you seriously think that there is much misunderstanding of the significance of the PAD, its charletan leadership, profoundly undemocratic agenda and reactionary politics then I suggest you might want to reconsider.I strongly suspect the embassies will also be very well aware of the PAD's shadowy backers and funding sources.The irony is that the PAD's antics rather serve to prove Thaksin's contention that he would not be treated fairly in Thailand.But again I appreciate that as PAD becomes marginalised the leadership becomes nuttier by the day.
[/quote]

And this coming from a person who wrote off the PAD months ago as a has-been organisation. Your sense of judgement and ability to see where the political situation is at in Thailand is so off, that to suggest that PAD is "marginalised" and then throw up a well-organised demo in the heart of Bangkok shows who is rather "nutty" these days.

I personally think it is a wise move by PAD and shows that they are keeping Thaksin at the forefront of the public's eye, not only domestically but internationally, so no matter what the Thai or British governments decide to do with this unwanted fugitive from justice, he's not just going to be able to swan around in protected anonymity. Human rights groups in UK I would hope are tracking his movements and preparing some custard pies for any public appearances he may decide to make. I think it is a great shame that such a despicable character with such a black record of human rights abuses should be able to take refuge in Britain purely on account of his financial status, when there are hundreds of deserving political asylum seekers refused entry each year as they are too poor to warrant sympathetic treatment from immigration authorities.

PAD's pro-active actions are to be applauded and should serve as a wake-up call that Thaksin is not going to slip from the public consciousness like past wannabe return dictators in Thailand's modern history. It should also push the Thai govt to get the ball rolling in requesting extradition, after letting the sewer rat have a wide open escape route.

Hopefully Tax-sin, with his notoriously poor command of the English language, will mis-read the banners as "Thaksin come home" and rush down to Heathrow for the next flight to Thailand.
[/quote]

You are entitled to your opinion but it is not in my view really a very sophisticated response.I am not sure from your custard pie references and other yah boo type comments whether you intend to be taken seriously anyway.On one point you are plain wrong however and that is the marginalisation of PAD.It is development that has been widely noted by various political commentators many of them quite sympathetic to PAD's original agenda.To that extent my comments of a few months ago were quite prescient.

If Thaksin's human rights abuses represent his real crimes, as I tend to agree, why doesn't the PAD put them to the top of its agenda?
[/quote]

I'm merely taking your sage advice to lighten up and not take oneself too seriously, as we are merely interested observers of the ongoing stageplay being enacted on Bangkok's streets and now England's green and pleasant land (made maginally less pleasant when bail-dodging human rights abusing scum are let in and given sanctuary). So what's your excuse for being so dull and morbid about the PAD and Toxin's antics?

Seriously though, I would contend that this demo is a clear signal that PAD are not marginalised and are definitely not a spent political force, but are continually shaping and reshaping the Thai political scene in ways that suggest to me a maturity of some sections of Thai real politik. Like yourself though, I abhor the nationalistic element of PAD or any group and the way this is manipulated (as over Khao Phra Viharn) by certain elements to become the central issue. It will mature even further when Toxin's human rights abuses are put firmly on the list of charges against the man and his cohorts, as well as his capitalist cronyism and corruption antics. But as you know, the web of intrigue and guilt by association over this prickly subject is so complex, that unpicking it is more than the present day Thai justice system could handle, without a massive cathartic purging of the present day power structures, which would be hideously unstabilising and risk sending Thailand back in time, rather than a managed progression of the present wobbly status quo.

7,000 people (presumably on a voluntary basis) in a capital city outside a foreign embassy is not a sign of marginalisation, but a fairly mainstream political movement, in my book anyway.

There, that suit your gravitas tastes any better?
[/quote]

It may horrify you but I thought that was a good post.Obviously we will have to agree to disagree about PAD.The next few months will show its staying power but my hunch is Samak is consolidating his position and for better or worse will be here for some time.One area where you are bang on the money is the slightly ludicrous spectacle of expats taking Thai politics so seriously, though even I don't come close to the almost psychotic multiple posters (doesn't matter from which side of the political divide).I also take your point about the implications of putting Thaksin's human rights abuses centre stage, not just on the justice system by the way.But hand on heart and no rhetoric (which I must plead guilty to from time to time) I do find the PAD leadership seriously creepy.

[cmsally]

Seriously creepy, sometimes yes. But the small guy that puts his hands up in the air and yells whoaaaa.......... for minutes on end, is a hoot.
All in all, it mostly looks like one of those awful end of year school plays, where everyone was given a part on stage however incompetent , reluctant or clueless they were about participating.

[faranglandoz]

Samuian, on 2008-08-19 14:02:05, said:

PAD - Counterbalance of what has long been out of balance!

The public voice to be heard on the streets!

I don't support the PPP or the PAD, as I have only lived here a year. What amazes me is how this PAD party has been allowed to shutdown streets in Bangkok for the last two months. These demonstrators are suppose to be nationalist, but do they realise what damage they are doing to the Thai economy, or do they really care.

No other democratic country in the world would tolerate this situation.

Faranglandoz

[Journalist]

They were demonstrating in Witthayu road outside my apartment.

They all behaved impeccably, and it was all well choreographed and we were told in advance by the motor cycle taxis drivers it would all be over one hour before the school buses were due home. (and all the demonstrators indeed went home on time)


One felt like pointing out to them that the convicted parties were packed off to Beijing, equipped with their passports, before hopping on the London plane - and so maybe the entire process wasn't all as unorchestrated as it may seem to them.

But given the demonstrators themselves are able to 'perform' exactly on cue, I suspect they really do know whats going on ! I daresay everyone is in on the joke and their shenanigans and mock outrage are purely cosmetic.

Edited by Journalist, 2008-08-19 21:07:27.

[Plus]

younghusband, on 2008-08-19 16:10:05, said:

The British Ambassador and his political staff will have been sending detailed reports back to the FCO for months on the crisis in Thailand.At the same time there will have been close consultation between embassies of friendly powers, particularly the Europeans, the Japanese, the Americans and the Australians.If you seriously think that there is much misunderstanding of the significance of the PAD, its charletan leadership, profoundly undemocratic agenda and reactionary politics....

Like it or not, but PAD nearly singlehandedly shaped the local political scene for most of the year, and for the better, not worse.

You just can't ignore it, they are far from marginalised.

If demanding Thaksin's extradition gains widespread support in the society and PAD spearheads it, there will be a lot of explaining to do on the part of Brits. No one in the West liked them when they covered Pinochet's ass or joined Americans in Iraq adventure, now they show their colors in Thailand and the rest of SEA.

It's a question of losing credibility.

Potential scenario - Thais screw up something big, Amnesty International issues a damning report on the state of their human rights, and Thais tell the UK to shove it up theirs - as long as they harbour serial rights abuser like Thaksin on the run from criminal cases, they have no grounds to critisize Thailand. Same thing China tells them every year, soon it will be a chorus.

Basically, they can kiss good bye to Thailand's support on any humanitarian issue in the region, in the worst case scenario.

If they think the probability of that is low, i.e. the extradition demand is not very popular, they'll ignore PAD's demands altogether.

It's not about being right or wrong - they just want their asses covered.

[Tony Clifton]

The PAD watchdog hasn't lost any credibility whatsoever.
The Embassy protest is but a small but meaningful part.
Being able to legally throw Thaksin's giant WANTED picture on a stage is quite an accomplishment. Everything you see changing was triggered by the PAD.

Sonthi L. lost ONE, A SINGLE defamation suit following his hundreds of accusations all backed with paperwork and paper trails of proof. You can also say the same about every single person that stepped onto that stage and addressed the public since the PAD s birth, none of them ever was sued. Why? They're saying the truth.
The protest has been going on for nearly 3 months for 24 hours a day with accusations flying right and left.
Where are the lawsuits for defamation? None whatsoever since most of the guilty parties pointed at are shutting the f*^& up, stunned and busted upon hearing the truth about themselves 24 hours a day. It must be funny when they call each other in the evening " Hey, tonight's your turn, some old lady who lost all her hair to cancer made it on stage and is damning you to hel_l. How can they find out about all of the scams we had? Do you think we ll get busted somewhere down the road over what they haven't found out yet?" :lol"


Credibility?
In the meantime, you switch to NBT to hear three Thaksin zombies collectively kissing each other's ass es agreeing on their tv program that Chaya , Jakaprob and the rest of these PPP criminals in parliament have all resigned due to sickness. Contempt of court to begin with, now that's losing credibility, ask Jakaprob, Chalerm, Chaya, Mr CTX, Thaksin, his wife, their children and relatives, the TRT, PPP and next criminal filled party they improvise on the fly.

Edited by Tony Clifton, 2008-08-19 21:27:55.

[dingdongrb]

Plus, on 2008-08-19 15:24:18, said:

It sends a clear message - political opposition to Thaksin is not going to subside anytime soon and the UK might get itself accused of taking sides and it might face prolonged demonstrations outside their embassy.

Do you think we might be able to get all Brits exiled out of LOS by any chance?

[Journalist]

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

[Tony Clifton]

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 21:27:41, said:

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

You're looking at a single hair on a three ton elephant.

[plachon]

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 15:27:41, said:

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

You said yourself in your previous post that you suspect the protestors "really do know what's going on". Now you are saying they were a "rentamob". That suggests they were only there to collect a fee for attending and didn't care about the underlying issue of Toxin's absconding from facing justice in Thailand. So which is it?

If you were a real "journalist", you would have been down there on the street interviewing the protestors, instead of pontificating from your appt window above Soi Witthayu. Before you start accusing other people of being "gullible", I suggest you step down out of your comfortable ivory tower and start learning a little about street politics in Thailand. And if you think any political statement does not have an element of "theatre" attached, then you really should go back to political science 101 and start afresh, or stay away from a subject you are obviously out of your depth in.

[Journalist]

Plus, on 2008-08-19 22:19:58, said:

Like it or not, but PAD nearly singlehandedly shaped the local political scene for most of the year, and for the better, not worse.

Yes, their general election victory was remarkable wasn't it.


...oh, waitaminnit.....

[DirkGently]

Good for them! (the thais) Enough of the pig snouts in the feed box.

I was close by in spirit.

I hope I see the pair of them in jail.

[Journalist]

plachon, on 2008-08-19 23:25:25, said:

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 15:27:41, said:

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

You said yourself in your previous post that you suspect the protestors "really do know what's going on". Now you are saying they were a "rentamob". That suggests they were only there to collect a fee for attending and didn't care about the underlying issue of Toxin's absconding from facing justice in Thailand. So which is it?

If you were a real "journalist", you would have been down there on the street interviewing the protestors, instead of pontificating from your appt window above Soi Witthayu. Before you start accusing other people of being "gullible", I suggest you step down out of your comfortable ivory tower and start learning a little about street politics in Thailand. And if you think any political statement does not have an element of "theatre" attached, then you really should go back to political science 101 and start afresh, or stay away from a subject you are obviously out of your depth in.

Yes, I think they are rentamob, and that every man-jack of them is 'in the know' that the entire thing is a pantomime and no more real than 'girlfriend experiences' that foreigners with special needs have from time to time here.

Simple-hearted as they are, I think they realise that Thaksin was sent away with a nod and a wink from his opponents. Its only internet conspiracy theorists who think otherwise.

I think its all a put on, designed for media consumption, to galvanise those who get paid to vote, a show for those watching from far far away, and for unemployable westerners who insist (and repeat) endlessly the unshakable veracity and logic of their "opinions" (albeit ones largely gleaned and inferred from sitting in front of the internet).

My beat doesn't cover Thai politics, and I have a salary to earn, so I have to write real stories about real global issues... Not possible to interview anyone down there, the heavy metal disco music was blaring out at 150 decibels. Still they had a nice time and they all got home before the evening's fare of gameshows started. Bless em !

Edited by Journalist, 2008-08-19 22:40:59.

[plachon]

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 16:25:29, said:

Plus, on 2008-08-19 22:19:58, said:

Like it or not, but PAD nearly singlehandedly shaped the local political scene for most of the year, and for the better, not worse.

Yes, their general election victory was remarkable wasn't it.


...oh, waitaminnit.....

Oh dear............now it seems you cannot distinguish between a political party and a civil society movement. Your predicament deepens.

And one wonders too how "impeccably behaved" protesters can become a "rentamob" between postings? So which is it? Are you for real in your observations?

[Bangyai]

Tony Clifton, on 2008-08-19 21:31:02, said:

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 21:27:41, said:

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

You're looking at a single hair on a three ton elephant.

Perhaps ,but are'nt you looking at a nastly little turd ( Sondhi Limthongkul ) like he was icecream ? He may be the apple of some peoples eyes but he is no slouch at tax evasion himself, registering his own holding company, M GROUP in the British Virgin Islands so as to minimise his own tax liability. When he repeats the lese majeste remarks made by Daranee Charnchorngsilpakul to his own supporters he is arrested but immediatley granted bail, whereas she being an anti PAD speaker and pro Taksin is denied 2 requests for bail on the grounds that her crime is serious and she might flee ??? ( but they KNEW Taksin would flee....but I digress ). Double standards ?
Sondhi is only intersted in his own selfish ends...revenge on his old friend, and he has picked up the PAD stick to beat his own drum for personal revenge. He cares little for the Thai people as evidenced by his refusal to move his protest away from a nearby school as it was disrupting their education. As for his ' New Politics " idea, reducing the peoples representation by the election process down to about 30%.......is that furthering the cause of democracy ??????? I don't think so !

[Journalist]

^Oh yes they were a very charmingly behaved mob - albeit still one that was rented for the day though.

And they all shuffled off home at just the time the residents of this community were assured that they would depart.

They know their place, that they aren't wanted in a nice neighbourhood like this - having a sit-in. People here are busy.

[Hawkinschris]

How about if we send you Mr Glitter as well as Lord Thaksin MBE

[Tony Clifton]

Bangyai, on 2008-08-19 22:43:40, said:

Tony Clifton, on 2008-08-19 21:31:02, said:

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 21:27:41, said:

Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working

You're looking at a single hair on a three ton elephant.

Perhaps ,but are'nt you looking at a nastly little turd ( Sondhi Limthongkul ) like he was icecream ? He may be the apple of some peoples eyes but he is no slouch at tax evasion himself, registering his own holding company, M GROUP in the British Virgin Islands so as to minimise his own tax liability. When he repeats the lese majeste remarks made by Daranee Charnchorngsilpakul to his own supporters he is arrested but immediatley granted bail, whereas she being an anti PAD speaker and pro Taksin is denied 2 requests for bail on the grounds that her crime is serious and she might flee ??? ( but they KNEW Taksin would flee....but I digress ). Double standards ?
Sondhi is only intersted in his own selfish ends...revenge on his old friend, and he has picked up the PAD stick to beat his own drum for personal revenge. He cares little for the Thai people as evidenced by his refusal to move his protest away from a nearby school as it was disrupting their education. As for his ' New Politics " idea, reducing the peoples representation by the election process down to about 30%.......is that furthering the cause of democracy ??????? I don't think so !

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 22:44:37, said:

^Oh yes they were a very charmingly behaved mob - albeit still one that was rented for the day though.

And they all shuffled off home at just the time the residents of this community were assured that they would depart.

They know their place, that they aren't wanted in a nice neighbourhood like this - having a sit-in. People here are busy.

Where the f*&% do you misinformed and misinforming people come from?

[cmsally]

Talking about snouts in troughs, tax evasion, business debts, offshore companies and all that stuff. Sonthi L.'s biography makes interesting reading
Sonthi L.

[sjaak327]

^ the follwoing questioin remains, Are they really misinformed ?

The events of the last two years, lead me to believe that they aren't misinformed. The Pad are a bunch of annoying people with a clear agenda. They get at anything to make Thaksin's or PPP or TRT or whatever life a hel_l. They don't do it for the good of the country, they mostly do it to be able to line their own pockets.

That whole charade that they called elections in April 2006 was a clear disgrace, still don't understand why Thaksin ever gave into the pressure, he should have said up your to those people and carry on what he was doing.

Then of course there was the coup and subsequent dissolution of the PAD, why they carry the name democratic in their ancronym I don't know.

And then of course on of the latest stunts of the PAD, who might have a hand in the bullshit along the Cambodian border.

Yeah progress indeed...

[Journalist]

[quote name='Tony Clifton' post='2155927' date='2008-08-19 23:58:39'][quote name='Bangyai' post='2155907' date='2008-08-19 22:43:40'][quote name='Tony Clifton' post='2155776' date='2008-08-19 21:31:02'][quote name='Journalist' post='2155770' date='2008-08-19 21:27:41']Today was as fake as the world wrestling federation. It was rentamob. It was a piece of theatre designed to make someone gullible think that this is all real.

I don't know who they are trying to convince, but sure enough there's plenty of members here who seem to think its all authentic - so I guess its working[/quote]

You're looking at a single hair on a three ton elephant.
[/quote]

Perhaps ,but are'nt you looking at a nastly little turd ( Sondhi Limthongkul ) like he was icecream ? He may be the apple of some peoples eyes but he is no slouch at tax evasion himself, registering his own holding company, M GROUP in the British Virgin Islands so as to minimise his own tax liability. When he repeats the lese majeste remarks made by Daranee Charnchorngsilpakul to his own supporters he is arrested but immediatley granted bail, whereas she being an anti PAD speaker and pro Taksin is denied 2 requests for bail on the grounds that her crime is serious and she might flee ??? ( but they KNEW Taksin would flee....but I digress ). Double standards ?
Sondhi is only intersted in his own selfish ends...revenge on his old friend, and he has picked up the PAD stick to beat his own drum for personal revenge. He cares little for the Thai people as evidenced by his refusal to move his protest away from a nearby school as it was disrupting their education. As for his ' New Politics " idea, reducing the peoples representation by the election process down to about 30%.......is that furthering the cause of democracy ??????? I don't think so !
[/quote]


[quote name='Journalist' post='2155910' date='2008-08-19 22:44:37']^Oh yes they were a very charmingly behaved mob - albeit still one that was rented for the day though.

And they all shuffled off home at just the time the residents of this community were assured that they would depart.

They know their place, that they aren't wanted in a nice neighbourhood like this - having a sit-in. People here are busy.[/quote]

Where the f*&% do you misinformed and misinforming people come from?
[/quote]

Here, live, on the spot Tony !

Didn't see you down there in your velvet tuxedo !

[Hawkinschris]

So, no takers for Garry???

[mommysboy]

I wish they'd have closed this thread and kept the Glitter one open. What killjoys!