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[sriracha john]

Bangyai, on 2008-08-19 22:43:40, said:

When he repeats the lese majeste remarks made by Daranee Charnchorngsilpakul to his own supporters he is arrested but immediatley granted bail, whereas she being an anti PAD speaker and pro Taksin is denied 2 requests for bail on the grounds that her crime is serious and she might flee be killed???

Corrected for factuality...

sriracha john, on 2008-08-09 06:36:22, said:

sriracha john, on 2008-07-24 09:10:59, said:

that "Da Torpedo" from UDD/DADD was arrested in her home... her taped message broadcast are shockingly brazen. The police want to put her in protective custody as they fear the general public would harm her following her disgraceful words.

sriracha john, on 2008-07-24 18:04:02, said:

I won't repeat what she said... but it was the worst language used I've heard that warranted the charge and it's easy to why they want to hold her in protective custody. Her words would upset every conceivable niche of Thai society from rich to poor, old to young.
She is typical of her UDD/DADD co-horts like Jakrapob (who also has the same charge), and the current government's other PTV and riot co-leaders like PPP MP Jatuporn and the Government Spokesman NUTTha and the other bloke, the TRT Party-banned executive Veera. Together these guys are running the double shows on PBS and NBT with their spewage....they are in great company with the likes of this Da Torpedo. Perhaps they can have her as a special guest on one of the Veera Propaganda Show, your political party government television show...


Still, she'll feel less discomfort in prison as there are many of her persuasion currently incarcerated in the female penal system.

Also, it's worth learning who ordered the arrest of this "anti-PAD" and "pro-Thaksin" speaker:


Samak said police would take legal action against her. "That person violated the law with her words. I ordered the police to take action against her immediately," he said.

- The Nation / July 22, 2008

Edited by sriracha john, 2008-08-20 05:07:20.

[sriracha john]

Journalist, on 2008-08-19 22:38:08, said:

My beat doesn't cover Thai politics

Acknowledging that it's not politics, would you share us with just what your beat is?

[ding]

mommysboy, on 2008-08-19 13:19:22, said:

How dare they have the cheek to protest against the actions of such a great nation.
Mommysboy will have to go down there and sort them out. God save the Queen.

uhh, I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[jumnien]

There is a wonderful editorial in today's Nation documenting members of the supreme court speaking at PAD rallies and the political nature of court decisions in Southeast Asia.

[sriracha john]

sunrise07, on 2008-08-20 07:33:00, said:

There is a wonderful editorial in today's Nation documenting members of the supreme court speaking at PAD rallies

Try these on and go have another re-read of that article...

[jayjayjayjay]

lifeisrandom, on 2008-08-19 12:20:32, said:

can someone please explain the PAD to me?

obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation...

so wtf is PAD's role in all of this?

There called a linch "mob", that's the politest way of putting it.

[sriracha john]

sriracha john, on 2008-08-19 12:29:44, said:

lifeisrandom, on 2008-08-19 12:20:32, said:

can someone please explain the PAD to me?

PAD information:

1,579 posts:
http://www.thaivisa....ew-t171378.html

826 posts:
http://www.thaivisa....se-t195690.html

jayjayjayjay, on 2008-08-20 07:52:04, said:

lifeisrandom, on 2008-08-19 12:20:32, said:

can someone please explain the PAD to me?

obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation...

so wtf is PAD's role in all of this?

There called a linch "mob", that's the politest way of putting it.

Strange how 2,405 posts contradict that assessment...

[Scott]

So how many people does it take to deliver a letter in Thailand:  10,000 I guess.

If these folks want to protest, I would suggest they do so in front of the Supreme Court that gave them permission to travel.  But then if they were to look at how and to whom the courts grant bail, this could cause a real loss of face and credibility and we couldn't have that happen.

So, instead they protest in front of the British Embassy.  Sorry but I don't think Britain is the culprit here.

[Plus]

Onslaught on PAD is coming from all directions in this thread:

From Journalist:

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They all behaved impeccably

From JJJ:

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There called a linch "mob"

Can you make up your minds, guys?

As for Journalist - if you pretend to apply reason and knowledge before coming to your conclusions - PAD has been on the streets for many many months. They are very well organised and they have leadership that is firmly in charge, and they have lots of experience.

If they decide that they should round up their protest before people need to pick up their kids from schools - that's what will happen, they've got it under control. Last time they were taken to court for inconveniencing school children, this time they were more careful.

But with this PAD attacking crowd - dam_n if you do and dam_n if you don't, they'd just post rubbish and contradict themselves at every step if it suits their purpose.

[sriracha john]

Scott, on 2008-08-20 08:10:09, said:

So how many people does it take to deliver a letter in Thailand:  10,000 I guess.

It takes one...



but 10,000 certainly adds to the context...

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The letter was handed to a representative of Ambassador Quinton Quayle.

A spokesman from the British Embassy told AFP that the letter would be passed on to London.

- AFP / 18-08-08

Edited by sriracha john, 2008-08-20 08:37:06.

[phutoie2]

Pleased I did my business in Wireless Road last week!!

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[Shotime]

I thought Vietnam released Gary.

The Brits do have an interest in what goes on here. The Kingdom is still pushing the buttons.I'm not bashing the Brits. I admire their attitude. Everything they do appears very proper.

It really does appear as a charade. I'll read the paper today, as I'd like to know who is delivering what letter. Whoever it is, he looks like he's doing pretty good.

[Los78]

Plus, on 2008-08-20 08:14:55, said:

Onslaught on PAD is coming from all directions in this thread:

From Journalist:

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They all behaved impeccably

From JJJ:

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There called a linch "mob"

Can you make up your minds, guys?

As for Journalist - if you pretend to apply reason and knowledge before coming to your conclusions - PAD has been on the streets for many many months. They are very well organised and they have leadership that is firmly in charge, and they have lots of experience.

If they decide that they should round up their protest before people need to pick up their kids from schools - that's what will happen, they've got it under control. Last time they were taken to court for inconveniencing school children, this time they were more careful.

But with this PAD attacking crowd - dam_n if you do and dam_n if you don't, they'd just post rubbish and contradict themselves at every step if it suits their purpose.

I dont see any more contradictions then you and your PAD friends constantly post....   You should also wake up and relise thats PAD's (People's Alliance for Dictatorship) aims are for divisions in Thailand.  
Their nutty views are not welcome by the majority of the people who elected a democratically elected government so its only natural why people are expressing their concerns against this annoying rent a mob.

[geriatrickid]

I suppose one of the benefits of being unemployed in Thailand is that you can go and waste a day shouting slogans outside the British embassy. PAD is underestimating the British ability to give a stiff upper lip for public consumption.

Considering that the foreign ministry had to contend with much worse following the publication of Salman Rushdie's book, the PAD demonstrations picked the wrong place to  protest.  In the interim, Thais should show solidarity and not go asking for visas to the UK. That would really punish those horrid Brits.

[Los78]

jayjayjayjay, on 2008-08-20 07:52:04, said:

lifeisrandom, on 2008-08-19 12:20:32, said:

can someone please explain the PAD to me?

obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation...

so wtf is PAD's role in all of this?

There called a linch "mob", that's the politest way of putting it.

PAD (People's Alliance for Dictatorship)  OR  (People Against Democracy)

Actually they can be called both of those names since its what they stand for...

[younghusband]

Plus, on 2008-08-19 21:19:58, said:

younghusband, on 2008-08-19 16:10:05, said:

The British Ambassador and his political staff will have been sending detailed reports back to the FCO for months on the crisis in Thailand.At the same time there will have been close consultation between embassies of friendly powers, particularly the Europeans, the Japanese, the Americans and the Australians.If you seriously think that there is much misunderstanding of the significance of the PAD, its charletan leadership, profoundly undemocratic agenda and reactionary politics....

Like it or not, but PAD nearly singlehandedly shaped the local political scene for most of the year, and for the better, not worse.

You just can't ignore it, they are far from marginalised.

If demanding Thaksin's extradition gains widespread support in the society and PAD spearheads it, there will be a lot of explaining to do on the part of Brits. No one in the West liked them when they covered Pinochet's ass or joined Americans in Iraq adventure, now they show their colors in Thailand and the rest of SEA.

It's a question of losing credibility.

Potential scenario - Thais screw up something big, Amnesty International issues a damning report on the state of their human rights, and Thais tell the UK to shove it up theirs - as long as they harbour serial rights abuser like Thaksin on the run from criminal  cases, they have no grounds to critisize Thailand. Same thing China tells them every year, soon it will be a chorus.

Basically, they can kiss good bye to Thailand's support on any humanitarian issue in the region, in the worst case scenario.

If they think the probability of that is low, i.e. the extradition demand is not very popular, they'll ignore PAD's demands altogether.

It's not about being right or wrong - they just want their asses covered.

First of all I would agree that PAD has played a major part in shaping the political agenda.To be fair there have been both good and bad aspects.The problem is the leadership.Many commentators have pointed out that recent events have marginalised PAD.Obviously this is a process and PAD clearly still has influence.The next few months will determine whether the process is accelerated, halted or even reversed.

The point you make about PAD giving leadership to a national demand for THaksin's extradition is a huge hypothesis.So far there is no evidence of national support and probably a majority that sees it as a somewhat unintelligible nuisance.Like it or not Thaksin's flight in particular took some steam out of the campaign.

As to the UK's attitude I think I have quoted before Charles de Gaulle's comment that the state is a cold monster.The UK will do what it thinks necessary to preserve its interests, as will Thailand.You have made it clear several times your distaste for the UK's hypocrisy (and weather) and you are right on both counts.On a point of detail the one humanitarian issue in the region which UK has strong views is Burma.I don't really see how Thailand can become less supportive than it is already.

[quiksilva]

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(lifeisrandom @ 2008-08-19 12:20:32) *
can someone please explain the PAD to me?

obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation...

so wtf is PAD's role in all of this?

The question really should be, who is paying for all the expenses of these protests? (banners, food, soft drinks etc)

[Shah Jahan]

If the Thais were smart - they would detain Glitter and trade him for Thaksin
about a fair exchange imho

[cmsally]

Interesting article here:
Prachatai

It certainly could be the case that the source of funds is shifting, which is reflected in their political stance. It could be the case that a lot of funding has dried up after Thaksins departure and they have to shift accordingly if they want to carry on.
They seem to flounder when Thaksin isn't the top of the agenda, so it seems their survival depends on keeping him as the focus.

[sriracha john]

quiksilva, on 2008-08-20 09:52:15, said:

The question really should be, who is paying for all the expenses of these protests? (banners, food, soft drinks etc)

For the 20,000 or so that attended the Chonburi PAD rally a few weeks ago, they paid for all those items themselves. Each tambon that brought their own signs and banners seemed quite proud of their individual efforts. The public cash donation boxes set up to cover the non-personal items like the stage and lighting looked pretty full.

Edited by sriracha john, 2008-08-20 10:48:16.

[hammered]

quiksilva, on 2008-08-20 09:52:15, said:

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(lifeisrandom @ 2008-08-19 12:20:32) *
can someone please explain the PAD to me?

obviously the government knew thaskin was doing a runner if they didnt want him to do a runner he would not have been allowed to leave. wife gets convicted and heads on vacation...

so wtf is PAD's role in all of this?

The question really should be, who is paying for all the expenses of these protests? (banners, food, soft drinks etc)

If you really want to know at least in Chonburi, and a I suspect elsewhere you can find quite number of people with small businesses or salaries who donate regularly to the PAD. A lot of those who attend also make donations. As Barack Obama has found a lot of small donations are often a lot better than relying on big ones. Right now the big donations to PAD have probably dried up as the big boys are more intent on taking over at least one third of the PPP from inside. That costs big money. It is not that expensive to support a demonstation and is certainly less expensive than supporting a politcal party! One of the things that has hurt PPP is that through donations the PAD have been supplying satellite dishes up country for free. While ther may not ba a groundswell of farmers queueing to bang the drum for PAD and ASTV there has been curiosity to know, for the first time, what they have been saying, and a trip to town etc now enables this. This is why to some degree local politciians organised the provincial guards.

Persoanlly I find what the PAD says increasingly bizarre but they are well organized and are well enough supported to not need the big funders they first relied on.

[Insight]

The reason the PAD has so much support is because it's ultimate goal is a common interest shared by most Thais - clean, transparent politics.

There's clearly a group of people on this forum making big attempts to drag the PAD's name through the mud, but it does seem isolated to this forum and not the reality of the two offices in Bangkok I visit per week where support for the is still very strong.

As far as I know nobody has received a satang for appearing in a PAD protest, and I doubt they would accept it if offered. I know at least one guy who has donated however...

[gazzz]

Typical Thais they have no Balls to protest when it really matters
however they protest for the box head to be sent back from the UK !!!

How about protesting against the courts for allowing him to even leave the country !
as usual they cant blame them selves always lay the blame on the rest .

[Plus]

younghusband, on 2008-08-20 09:46:10, said:

The point you make about PAD giving leadership to a national demand for THaksin's extradition is a huge hypothesis.So far there is no evidence of national support

At this point we have no idea how it will develop. We'll see what happens when (or if) Thailand really tries to extradite Thaksin back. If the UK doesn't play it right and nothing else is going on, PAD can use this case to drum up the issue just like they did with Preah Vihear.

There IS huge interest in Thaksins great escape, the potential for making it a national obsession is there.

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On a point of detail the one humanitarian issue in the region which UK has strong views is Burma.I don't really see how Thailand can become less supportive than it is already.

True, but what if something else comes up? Say civil war breaks out in Philippines. Thailand is still very influential in ASEAN, and one of the few countries that listen to the West. They've lost Malaysian attention long time ago, Singapore is always looking after its own, you can't count on them taking a stance. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are nobodies, that leaves only Indonesia to talk to(as long as you don't tought East Timor issue).

Credibility is a very important thing if you want people to share your values, you can't afford to lose it.

[hammered]

I really dont see Thaksin getting his butt exradited. However, the extradition call by the PAD is inline with their anti-T philosophy. More to the point after the wanted posters coming to a toilet near you soon episode it also ensures the Thaksinistas in the PPP will continue up in arms making the deals to break a lump of PPP away a little harder. There are clear divisons between the anti-Thaksin bureaucracy who want the deal with Samak and the PAD with vestiges of bureaucratic support who want to blow the whole thing out of the water.