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[draggons]

Just seen on the BBC that we have a state of emergency in Bangkok. 1 person dead and many injured! 400 troops been moved in, here we go again.

Edited by draggons, 2008-09-02 07:20:43.

[ando]

Both these mobs of rioters need to be taken off the street by whatever force is necessary.
Less than a week ago the PAD was screaming police brutality when the police tried to do their job and prevent criminal acts by PAD.
The police were subsequently ordered to disarm and not to use force against the PAD protesters/rioters. This decision was backed up by the courts who withdrew an injunction ordering the clearing of the rioters from government house.

What are the now unarmed police to do, -- pick a side and only use force against rioters of a certain political persuasion based on the colour of their shirts? PAD cant have it both ways with selective policeing only against their opponents. Either the police are allowed to do their job or the country descends into a violent state of anarchy which we are seeing.

[ubonjoe]

Kuthep says PAD should learn lesson from clash


People Power Party spokesman Kuthep Saikrajang said the violent clash early Tuesday should teach a lesson to the People's Alliance for Democracy that its violations of the laws could infuriate other people.

Kuthep said the government would have to use the state power keep peace and order.

He said both sides of the protesters should back down and should try to iron out differences through talks.

The Nation

[JoeInSurin]

It looks like the "State of emergency" gives the PM absolute control and gatherings of 5 people of more is illegal. It looks like the "PAD's Last March" is working about as good as "Custer's Last Stand".

[ubonjoe]

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej on Tuesday imposed a state of emergency after overnight clashes between pro- and anti-government protesters left one person dead and dozens injured.


State and private broadcasting stations announced the declaration of the state of emergency at 7am (2400 GMT)


Spokesmen for the United front of Democracy against Dictatorship immediately announced they will end their rally centered at Sanam Luang. "We will obey the law and go home."


Suriyasai Katasila, the chief ideologue for the People's Alliance for Democracy, said the PAD leaders would consult on their next move.


The declaration is the first use of a controversial new Emergency Law passed in the dying days of the military government late last year.


It never has been used, and its use takes Thailand another giant step into previously uncharted political waters.


In charge of Bangkok security effective immediately is the Internal Security Operations Command, or Isoc. Mr Samak is the nominal head of Isoc, although the army and special Isoc commands will run its operations.

Bangkok Post

[ubonjoe]

State of emergency announced in Bangkok
By The Nation

PM to have absolute control; PAD to go on protesting despite state of emergency; more people join protest at Government House,


Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej Tuesday announced the state of emergency in Bangkok following a clash between the pro and anti-government supporters early in the morning.

Thai PBS said the PM's order would exempt the enforcement of Article 9 which would prevent people from leaving their residences at night.

The station said the announcement would prohibit gathering of more than five people.

The state of emergency also allows the authorities to detain suspects for seven days and would prohibit people from making illegal entries into government offices.

Democrat Party MP Sathit Wongnongtoey said the state of emergency would allow the prime minister to have absolute control.

[blaze]

ubonjoe, on 2008-09-02 07:26:22, said:

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej on Tuesday imposed a state of emergency after overnight clashes between pro- and anti-government protesters left one person dead and dozens injured.


State and private broadcasting stations announced the declaration of the state of emergency at 7am (2400 GMT)


Spokesmen for the United front of Democracy against Dictatorship immediately announced they will end their rally centered at Sanam Luang. "We will obey the law and go home."


Suriyasai Katasila, the chief ideologue for the People's Alliance for Democracy, said the PAD leaders would consult on their next move.


The declaration is the first use of a controversial new Emergency Law passed in the dying days of the military government late last year.


It never has been used, and its use takes Thailand another giant step into previously uncharted political waters.


In charge of Bangkok security effective immediately is the Internal Security Operations Command, or Isoc. Mr Samak is the nominal head of Isoc, although the army and special Isoc commands will run its operations.

Bangkok Post

Who is in charge of ISOC right now? Pallop is no longer officially connected is he?

Edited by blaze, 2008-09-02 07:34:49.

[Tony Clifton]

RECAP #2

-New chief of police installed
*-Bomb explodes next to police booth neard PAD, same pattern as before with unsolved bombings pointing to Thaksinistas.
-Chief Immediately declares no batons, shields only
-DAAD gathers dunken yobs
-Drunken yobs are allowed to hop onto m'cycles and walk the street with weapons clearly showing in hand.
-Police line has resistance of paper wall on many occasions during march, seems intentional
-One killed, over 40 injured.
-Decision already scheduled for today Sep 2 regarding PPP party disolution.
-Everyone waiting for Samak's next move.
-Samak declares STAT OF EMERGENCY, which doesn't allow more that how many people to meet?

-How many judges are supposed to gather today to decide on PPP's dissolution?

[ubonjoe]

Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej on Tuesday imposed a state of emergency after overnight clashes between pro- and anti-government protesters left one person dead and dozens injured.


State and private broadcasting stations announced the declaration of the state of emergency at 7am (2400 GMT)


Spokesmen for the United front of Democracy against Dictatorship immediately announced they will end their rally centered at Sanam Luang. "We will obey the law and go home."


Suriyasai Katasila, the chief ideologue for the People's Alliance for Democracy, said the PAD leaders would consult on their next move.


The declaration is the first use of a controversial new Emergency Law passed in the dying days of the military government late last year.


It never has been used, and its use takes Thailand another giant step into previously uncharted political waters.


In charge of Bangkok security effective immediately is the Internal Security Operations Command, or Isoc. Mr Samak is the nominal head of Isoc, although the army and special Isoc commands will run its operations.

Bangkok Post

[Plus]

Take yourselves back some 20 years - where do you think each of us would have been? Supporting those locked at Thammasat, or those outside?

It looks pretty clear now - I mean who was right and who was wrong back in 1976, but looking at some rhetoric thrown around here, I feel that some of out posters belong with those murderous mobs.

These are the times when you MUST choose sides, and it's sad to see how people are led by their egos and demogogery into making clearly wrong choices, even if they sincerely believe in their cause.

SOE will not change anything - the government doesn't control the situation, the army may only restore order but the country is still ungovernable (if Samak stays, that is).

[Nampeung]

Thank goodness for Tony Clifton and reporting proper news

[Thailand]

Yet again the Thai's seem set on destroying their own country.

The economy, along with the rest of the world, is in decline. One  of the main income streams, tourism, is about to get turned off with the actions of those that think they can run the country better.

We are stepping back decades with the current fiasco's.

I am getting too old for this continued garbage. Much as I love so many things about this country the time has come to start looking for alternatives- a sad state of affairs.

[ubonjoe]

Nampeung, on 2008-09-02 07:41:54, said:

Thank goodness for Tony Clifton and reporting proper news

Mostly his opinion.

[Nampeung]

Agree with you completely Thailand

[blaze]

Plus, on 2008-09-02 07:38:04, said:

Take yourselves back some 20 years - where do you think each of us would have been? Supporting those locked at Thammasat, or those outside?

It looks pretty clear now - I mean who was right and who was wrong back in 1976, but looking at some rhetoric thrown around here, I feel that some of out posters belong with those murderous mobs.

These are the times when you MUST choose sides, and it's sad to see how people are led by their egos and demogogery into making clearly wrong choices, even if they sincerely believe in their cause.

SOE will not change anything - the government doesn't control the situation, the army may only restore order but the country is still ungovernable (if Samak stays, that is).

In 1976 I was very left wing- so I would have been with the students. Had I been in Thailand I would have wanted an end to the strangle hold that the urban elites  held on the country- I would have wanted the military to stay permanantly out of politics. I would have wanted democracy- as it is practiced in the WEst- not some watered down abstraction that serves only to maintain the social stratifications. I would have wanted a revamping of the economy to allow the poor to share equally in the wealth of the nation. And I would have wanted the rich to foot the bill. Just like the students. Where would YOU have been?

[ando]

Tony Clifton, on 2008-09-02 00:35:39, said:

-How many judges are supposed to gather today to decide on PPP's dissolution?

Do you honestly expect the judges to hold their meeting out on the street?

[wxpwzrd]

ubonjoe, on 2008-09-02 07:45:51, said:

Nampeung, on 2008-09-02 07:41:54, said:

Thank goodness for Tony Clifton and reporting proper news

Mostly his opinion.

This entire thread is nothing but opinion; vEven the cut-and-paste reportings by the media.

[JoeInSurin]

Nampeung, on 2008-09-02 07:41:54, said:

Thank goodness for Tony Clifton and reporting proper news

Thank goodness for Tony Clifton (and Fox News) and reporting proper news.

[blaze]

double post- sorry

Edited by blaze, 2008-09-02 07:54:30.

[stumonster]

ray23, on 2008-09-02 07:13:45, said:

At 1.20am, hundreds of pro-government protesters, armed with batons, axes and big knives, marched from Sanam Luang to the Government House.

sanctioned by no less than the prime minister and paid for by several cabinet ministers.

[ubonjoe]

I am for Democracy.
Not generals taking over,
Not an unelected mob trying to force their demands for the goverment to quit on a population that mostly support the goverment.
Its time to just wait and see what comes next.
TIT

[Tony Clifton]

ando, on 2008-09-02 07:49:00, said:

Tony Clifton, on 2008-09-02 00:35:39, said:

-How many judges are supposed to gather today to decide on PPP's dissolution?

Do you honestly expect the judges to hold their meeting out on the street?

Do you expect the PPP to accept a dissolution judgement  under a conveniently planned emergecy decree?

Edited by Tony Clifton, 2008-09-02 08:01:34.

[ando]

Plus, on 2008-09-02 00:38:04, said:

SOE will not change anything - the government doesn't control the situation, the army may only restore order but the country is still ungovernable (if Samak stays, that is).

The country is not ungovernable. But it does have some very serious problems while PAD continues to create diviseness, oppose democracy and act in a lawless manner.

[ubonjoe]

Tony Clifton, on 2008-09-02 07:57:44, said:

ando, on 2008-09-02 07:49:00, said:

Tony Clifton, on 2008-09-02 00:35:39, said:

-How many judges are supposed to gather today to decide on PPP's dissolution?

Do you honestly expect the judges to hold their meeting out on the street?

Do you expect the PPP to accept a dissolution ordered under a conveniently planned emergecy decree?

It's the EC that is to announce their decision today.
It will be months before any court decision is made.
Just the facts.

Edited by ubonjoe, 2008-09-02 08:01:26.

[Golf]

I want all of you to see these videos. I am totally disgusted with the current situation.


http://www.youtube.c...ser/garugaruman

Edited by Golf, 2008-09-02 08:02:56.