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[Pierrot]

Plus, on 2008-09-13 00:17:28, said:

Ok, most of the banned 111 had personally nothing to do with perpetrating that fraud, but they haven't said a word against it either.

  Actually, it's very simple. Do you want a winning team for Thailand or settling personal score is more important for you?

[Thai at Heart]

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 15:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

Did you hear that from your teacher or think it all up on your own?

[Pierrot]

baht&sold, on 2008-09-13 00:22:58, said:

Mr Samak is a stubborn old war-horse with not a lot to lose (except BIG face and this IS cause for some concern). Thus, one fully expects this is not done (yet).

However, the PPP and importantly Mr Thaksin DO stand to lose much IF they 'simply' agree to call elections without making self-saving changes to the constitution first and the PPP then jumping to their waiting new 'rescue-party'. If they aren't successful, they and Mr Thaksin are likely done (thus, 'simple' elections appear not a viable option for the PPP as-is)

Despite the looming possibilities for PPP/TRT in it's current incarnation, fresh elections with NO strings attached (and no 'appointed' Govt) clearly offer the best way forward for the country. However, not neccesarily for the PPP without tieing up loose ends first and therein lays the nexus of the ongoing 'problem' and their exposed real mandate from day one.

Final caution - as much damage as some of the PAD's protest actions have caused, IF the PPP finally DO see the door (by a no-strings election or by court dissolution for vote-fraud) or IF the Democrats get in (by vote or opportunist coalition favour) remember the UDD/DAAD rent-a-thug-attacks in Udon Thani and convenient/tragic attack precipitating the so-called 'State of Emergency'... Also for that matter, the STILL unsolved '06 new years bombings in Bkk (despite the 'ineffective'  efforts of the now Interior Minister, then police chief Kowit, which got him sacked)...

Loathe to say it but this is NOT over (yet). Probably not until one man in London and possibly a black May General/appointed fellow Sino-Thai telecoms mentor in Bkk says so...  These are the 'Thais' that bind and grind, on and on and on...  

Beside the fact that you KNOW how to USE the SHIFT key, what is your POINT ?

Edited by Pierrot, 2008-09-12 23:35:39.

[JoeInSurin]

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 21:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

They should make a rule that you need a high school education  or better to post on Thai Visa to stop foolish comments as yours. What an arrogant comment! This shows the mentality of the pro-PAD.

[JoeInSurin]

ubonjoe, on 2008-09-12 22:31:56, said:

LaoPo, on 2008-09-12 22:20:18, said:

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 16:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

The -racist- quote of the day.

You're saying that anyone with a lesser than high school education is lower class and not educated/intelligent enough to vote, is that right ?

Tell that to any Western media, Television, newspaper and the mob will lynch you.

I suggest you jump in a car into the rural areas of Thailand and have a nice few chats with some farmers and tell them that.

PS: don't forget to write us what happened, OK ?

LaoPo

I will give the dotcom an open invitation to come up to our village to say that. Along with the one that called them idiots. To repeat their comments.
I will even arrange to have an ambulance standing by.

People like dotcom and his anti-democracy friends are real tough behind a keyboard.

[ace]

What is PADs agenda now?
Samak is gone.
What next - I presume they don't want the rest of the PPP to stay, OK, but after that; have they demanded elections or new politics?

[baht&sold]

Pierrot, on 2008-09-12 23:34:43, said:

baht&sold, on 2008-09-13 00:22:58, said:

Mr Samak is a stubborn old war-horse with not a lot to lose (except BIG face and this IS cause for some concern). Thus, one fully expects this is not done (yet).

However, the PPP and importantly Mr Thaksin DO stand to lose much IF they 'simply' agree to call elections without making self-saving changes to the constitution first and the PPP then jumping to their waiting new 'rescue-party'. If they aren't successful, they and Mr Thaksin are likely done (thus, 'simple' elections appear not a viable option for the PPP as-is)

Despite the looming possibilities for PPP/TRT in it's current incarnation, fresh elections with NO strings attached (and no 'appointed' Govt) clearly offer the best way forward for the country. However, not neccesarily for the PPP without tieing up loose ends first and therein lays the nexus of the ongoing 'problem' and their exposed real mandate from day one.

Final caution - as much damage as some of the PAD's protest actions have caused, IF the PPP finally DO see the door (by a no-strings election or by court dissolution for vote-fraud) or IF the Democrats get in (by vote or opportunist coalition favour) remember the UDD/DAAD rent-a-thug-attacks in Udon Thani and convenient/tragic attack precipitating the so-called 'State of Emergency'... Also for that matter, the STILL unsolved '06 new years bombings in Bkk (despite the 'ineffective'  efforts of the now Interior Minister, then police chief Kowit, which got him sacked)...

Loathe to say it but this is NOT over (yet). Probably not until one man in London and possibly a black May General/appointed fellow Sino-Thai telecoms mentor in Bkk says so...  These are the 'Thais' that bind and grind, on and on and on...  

Beside the fact that you KNOW how to USE the SHIFT key, what is your POINT ?

...and you know full well what the POINT is, yet this simple truth is apparently purposefully beyond your obvious agenda and your revealing 'short-time' aspirations for Thailand. I'm neither your fish nor your bait in your sinking pond - Bonne chance with that whole thing then.

[baht&sold]

Last, BEFORE anyone cue's the music from "It's a beautiful day" or "What a wonderful world", nothing much really changes in REALITY and the 'apparent' resignation by Mr Samak still has to be confirmed, the PAD still has to leave the mosh-pit which used to be the Govt House lawn (and leaders presenting themselves for the judgement of the courts) and new elections with NO strings attached (nor 'appointed' Govts thank you) still has to be called and also the imagined (or conveniently 'created')  so-called 'State of Emergency' still has to be lifted.

As it may be tea-time in London, along with new-found premiership profits to be spent, some of the above might just take a while...     

Sadly and sardonically, IF this is true, Sunday's just won't be the same without 'Talk Samak style'... (sigh)  

[permanent_disorder]

Journalist, on 2008-09-12 22:29:46, said:

Pierrot, on 2008-09-12 23:20:11, said:

Sorry to repeat myself, but I would like an answer.

The rice on your plate, where does it come from ?

We get ours at Big C.

Whats this got to do with Samak's resignation though?

funny answer and good question.
look at the lessons of the brain surgeon movement PAD cult
the seven pillars of truth why samak must go. the 6. pillar of truth: "bad government pay cheap price of rice from farmers but sale to the world at very high price."


you see, it's very high and complex and even mystical (sugar price?).

[baht&sold]

Also 'perhaps' worthy of a mention is the reported FACT the vast majority of controlling rice-millers in the NE whom the tragically-trapped and hard-working electoral 'bond-slaves' in the main PPP/TRT 'vote-growng' region are 'moon-lighting' as part of the vast NE PPP/TRT network of canvassers... (along with bottom-feeding opportunist loan sharks etc). Add to this the reported FACT the vast majority of NE village-heads are PPP/TRT self-opportnunist 'drones'  whom siphon-off most of the 'populist' entrapments cynically and continually 'bought' from their own constituents public purse in effect. All offered as mere 'dissolving and decaying ' temporary candy' to the forever trapped yet continually impovershed but gratefull and faithfull, to once again 'harvest' the main objective, THE VOTE. Yet in reality the tragically trapped people of the NE continue on in chains provided by their perpetually narcasistic and self-serving by design 'mentors' seeking GROSS profit and ultimate control of an entire Nation. This was key to Mr Thaksin's self-success and it continues straight out of the TRT 'play-book' and ongoing by the PPP (if it ain't broke, why fix a 'good' thing?)

Proof is in the recent harvests by the hard-working NE rice family's (and not talking about their 'bond-slave' like internment to the actual PPP/TRT connected large land owners here). When it comes to actual cashing-in of what should have been a bumper-crop this year, they didn't get the gold, they just got the SHAFT. Yet, the handfull of the ultimately receiving Bkk Sino-Thai 'rice-barons' and the PPP/TRT Govt, reaped a FORTUNE on the backs of their labours unto an artificially and  'created' hungry off-shore market... As easy and cynical as taking promised candy from a devoted 'servant'... Thus, in reality, THIS is the  future some here sadly 'aspire' to and continue to 'hope'  for Thailand....  shame, shame, shame....
Short-time aspirants masquerading as 'defenders of de-MOCK-crazy'... give us and more importantly Thailand a break already and own-up.

Lead, follow, mock-off,  or perhaps proceed unto the 'next' country 'ripe fer pickin' before that sun sets as well... Thailand has higher aspirations awaiting.  

Edited by baht&sold, 2008-09-13 03:11:46.

[roamer]

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 21:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

Well I guess you would say that, after all its "no no obama" as your signature on TV isn't it ? Seem to recall that literacy tests were used to disqualify black voters in the  south in the 50's and early 60's.

Anyway isn't your comment a little like turkeys voting for Xmas, I mean if you have had an education its certainly not obvious.

[ding]

baht&sold, on 2008-09-13 02:53:24, said:

Also 'perhaps' worthy of a mention is the reported FACT the vast majority of controlling rice-millers in the NE whom the tragically-trapped and hard-working electoral 'bond-slaves' in the main PPP/TRT 'vote-growng' region are 'moon-lighting' as part of the vast NE PPP/TRT network of canvassers... (along with bottom-feeding opportunist loan sharks etc). Add to this the reported FACT the vast majority of NE village-heads are PPP/TRT self-opportnunist 'drones'  whom siphon-off most of the 'populist' entrapments cynically and continually 'bought' from their own constituents public purse in effect. All offered as mere 'dissolving and decaying ' temporary candy' to the forever trapped yet continually impovershed but gratefull and faithfull, to once again 'harvest' the main objective, THE VOTE. Yet in reality the tragically trapped people of the NE continue on in chains provided by their perpetually narcasistic and self-serving by design 'mentors' seeking GROSS profit and ultimate control of an entire Nation. This was key to Mr Thaksin's self-success and it continues straight out of the TRT 'play-book' and ongoing by the PPP (if it ain't broke, why fix a 'good' thing?)

  

So, what you're aying is, chickens vote for Colonel Sanders, no? Well, welcome to America, Thailanders! This is the 'rabble' quotient that makes democracy so messy. Thais had a weakness, the rich and powerful exploited it. Some suffered and died to correct it and defend the fledgling constitution. It seems they're doing very very well.

Will the NE folks learn from the voting for their own demise? Nope, I doubt it. Look at America where McCain is leading the polls. And education, or misinformation, is rampant here. But Americans find it easy to sit on ever-widening arses and hate "others" as a solution to???
Contrast this with Thailand where they show up for drill enmas. But it's the collectively agreed upon reality that's spoon-fed to the rabble that is neither collective nor agreed upon. It's propaganda. And there is the threat to democracy. That's why checkens vote for Colonel Sanders. But we're talking about countries, human beings, and the noble ideal of a democratic republic. So, tragedy.

Edited by ding, 2008-09-13 06:07:20.

[AussieFarang]

Good riddance but will the replacement be any better. NO.

Thai society & politics continue to develop and support unsuitable candidates because the majority of people think that if one day my man gets a go it'll be my turn on the gravy train.

Don't expect anything to really chamge anytime soon.

[Plus]

Pierrot, on 2008-09-12 23:30:14, said:

Plus, on 2008-09-13 00:17:28, said:

Ok, most of the banned 111 had personally nothing to do with perpetrating that fraud, but they haven't said a word against it either.

  Actually, it's very simple. Do you want a winning team for Thailand or settling personal score is more important for you?

I wouldn't call it a winning team.

A real "winning" team wouldn't have divided the country and invited a military (and popular) coup on itself.

That's the main reason, regardless of our differences of opinions on their "winning streak"  (that lasted no more than three years, I might add).

[Ricardo]

LaoPo, on 2008-09-12 22:20:18, said:

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 16:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

   The -racist- quote of the day.
You're saying that anyone with a lesser than high school education is lower class and not educated/intelligent enough to vote, is that right ?

Elitist, perhaps, but surely not racist.

Pierrot, on 2008-09-12 23:30:14, said:

Plus, on 2008-09-13 00:17:28, said:

Ok, most of the banned 111 had personally nothing to do with perpetrating that fraud, but they haven't said a word against it either.

  Actually, it's very simple. Do you want a winning team for Thailand or settling personal score is more important for you?

If a "winning team" has to cheat, in order to win, are they still really 'winners' ?  Perhaps we should leave it to the (Thaksin-appointed) E.C. to decide ?  Because it's their job to, and they haven't done too badly, over the past couple of years.

[sriracha john]

permanent_disorder, on 2008-09-13 01:58:19, said:

you see

[h90]

LaoPo, on 2008-09-12 22:20:18, said:

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 16:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

   The -racist- quote of the day.

You're saying that anyone with a lesser than high school education is lower class and not educated/intelligent enough to vote, is that right ?

Tell that to any Western media, Television, newspaper and the mob will lynch you.

I suggest you jump in a car into the rural areas of Thailand and have a nice few chats with some farmers and tell them that.

PS: don't forget to write us what happened, OK ?

LaoPo

people who think that someone who made it thru high school is a different race should also not be allowed to vote.

[ando]

It appears the only way PAD is going to back off is if they get to decide who is going to be PM.
An illegal street mob whose leaders have warrants out for their arrest on charges of treason among others wanting to decide who can and cant be PM is beyond farcical.

[ando]

h90, on 2008-09-13 02:24:16, said:

LaoPo, on 2008-09-12 22:20:18, said:

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 16:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

   The -racist- quote of the day.

You're saying that anyone with a lesser than high school education is lower class and not educated/intelligent enough to vote, is that right ?

Tell that to any Western media, Television, newspaper and the mob will lynch you.

I suggest you jump in a car into the rural areas of Thailand and have a nice few chats with some farmers and tell them that.

PS: don't forget to write us what happened, OK ?

LaoPo

people who think that someone who made it thru high school is a different race should also not be allowed to vote.

I think you will find that the vast majority of people in Issarn are of Lao origin. Issarn people in general are ethnically and physcially different from central Thais and quite different from the Chinese Thai ruling class. Issarn people generally have much darker skin and speak their own dialect closely related to the Lao language. While it is true to say that they are not of a different race to central Thais there are many differences that set them apart. Issarn people comprise about a quarter of the Thai population and are the poorest sub group of citizens. In Thailand a high school education is not free and because of the poverty in Issarn many teenagers are compelled to take up employment as labourers to help feed the family rather than attending high school.

Surely the answer to educating the people of Issarn would be to provide them with free secondary education rather than simply banning them from voting because they are too poor to go to highschool. I dont see PAD campaining for free secondary education in Issarn. PADs objective is quite blatently to disinfranchise a large section of the voting population, -- purely for political gain.

[ubonjoe]

Samak steps back
(BangkokPost.com)
Full Story: http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=130619
  

"We will still carry on our protest and call for the resignation of the whole Cabinet after Samak has stepped down. The government is a proxy, a puppet, for Thaksin Shinawatra and his legacy which we have seen as an evil system for this country," fellow PAD core leader Suriyasai Katasila told The Associated Press news agency.

[way2muchcoffee]

ubonjoe, on 2008-09-12 22:31:56, said:

I will give the dotcom an open invitation to come up to our village to say that. Along with the one that called them idiots. To repeat their comments.
I will even arrange to have an ambulance standing by.

Actually your statement supports the notion of 'rural idiots'.  Any person willing to engage in violence for being called an idiot is exactly that - an idiot.  I don't subscribe to the notion of rural folk being idiots simply because they are rural.  There are plenty of idiots in the city.  There are plenty of clever villagers who simply haven't been given the same opportunities in life as the typical city dweller.

Edited by way2muchcoffee, 2008-09-13 09:07:40.

[brahmburgers]

Plus, on 2008-09-12 21:46:01, said:

If you forget political correctness for a moment - anyone sincerely voting for PPP needs to have his brain checked. Ok, many thought that they'd bring Thaksin back if they elect PPP, but that was a very tall order, too, not a sign of a mature voter.

Or did they hope that it's possible to have a puppet government and a puppet party running the whole country with TRT and Thaksin pulling the strings in the back? That's downright subversion.

I understand people's love for TRT, I understand their nostalgic feelings, but PPP is simply not the same thing no matter what they say. They didn't have any policies that set them apart like TRT did and they had a moron for a leader who had some spectacular walk-outs when he took to the stage in PPP's heartland.

Far more plausible explanation is that they simply stayed with their gangster pooyais, the devil they know.

'thinking' is not a major factor for those who vote.  The 2 main criteria for a vote is:   Who tells them the choice, and who pays the most.

[Plus]

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I dont see PAD campaining for free secondary education in Issarn. PADs objective is quite blatently to disinfranchise a large section of the voting population,

How's free secondary education is related to the current crisis? First of all it's free already, at least on paper.

Second - there are tens of millions of adult Isanese who won't go back to school anyway, free or not.

Educating them is not a matter of going to school, it's a matter of giving them access to information, and PAD did reasonably well by providing a wide coverage of ASTV. Now they at least aware of the alternative view point to the usual government propaganda, even if they learn about it from their local PPP demagogues rather than the source itself.

As for desinfranchising a large section of voting population - where exactly did you get that? It's a completely baseless accusation.

[Smithson]

Regarding education, I can't see high school helping ppl make better choices. It's a matter of quantity over quality, the system itself here is very poor.

The attitudes to education are a big problem here, ppl are taught that education makes you smart and honest. The drafters of the 97 constitution made a clause saying parliamentarians needed Bach degrees. They thought it would reduce corruption.

[Thai at Heart]

ando, on 2008-09-13 01:49:02, said:

h90, on 2008-09-13 02:24:16, said:

LaoPo, on 2008-09-12 22:20:18, said:

dotcom, on 2008-09-12 16:54:59, said:

They should make a rule that you need a high school education or better to vote.

   The -racist- quote of the day.

You're saying that anyone with a lesser than high school education is lower class and not educated/intelligent enough to vote, is that right ?

Tell that to any Western media, Television, newspaper and the mob will lynch you.

I suggest you jump in a car into the rural areas of Thailand and have a nice few chats with some farmers and tell them that.

PS: don't forget to write us what happened, OK ?

LaoPo

people who think that someone who made it thru high school is a different race should also not be allowed to vote.

I think you will find that the vast majority of people in Issarn are of Lao origin. Issarn people in general are ethnically and physcially different from central Thais and quite different from the Chinese Thai ruling class. Issarn people generally have much darker skin and speak their own dialect closely related to the Lao language. While it is true to say that they are not of a different race to central Thais there are many differences that set them apart. Issarn people comprise about a quarter of the Thai population and are the poorest sub group of citizens. In Thailand a high school education is not free and because of the poverty in Issarn many teenagers are compelled to take up employment as labourers to help feed the family rather than attending high school.

Surely the answer to educating the people of Issarn would be to provide them with free secondary education rather than simply banning them from voting because they are too poor to go to highschool. I dont see PAD campaining for free secondary education in Issarn. PADs objective is quite blatently to disinfranchise a large section of the voting population, -- purely for political gain.

I think you'll find the one's with the darker skin are only dark because they spend most of their time in the sun and sun block runs in your eyes when your out working in the fields anyway.  They are some of the toughest people I know.   I don't believe this line about them being brown at all.

Edited by Thai at Heart, 2008-09-13 09:11:54.