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[Sarge]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-25 13:19:40, said:

....But it was ridiculous to even presume that judging Filipino cuisine had anything to do with a low quality American style fast food chain from that country in the first place. That would be as silly as saying food in Thailand is horrible because of the bad Thai style pizza at The Pizza Company.

BTW, I did try a Jollibees in the San Francisco suburbs and you do have to scratch your head about their popularity, it is cheap anyway ...

Learn to read. Filipino food is an example how a reasonable cuisine, with varied foods, has been cheapened, degraded by American influence. The Jollibee copycat fast food enterprise stated in previous post was meant as a flippant remark on how pinoys managed the unthinkable, that is worsening American food. To paraphrase your latest signature: "Learn much, Talk little"

[Jingthing]

Sarge, on 2008-11-25 15:14:02, said:

Jingthing, on 2008-11-25 13:19:40, said:

....But it was ridiculous to even presume that judging Filipino cuisine had anything to do with a low quality American style fast food chain from that country in the first place. That would be as silly as saying food in Thailand is horrible because of the bad Thai style pizza at The Pizza Company.

BTW, I did try a Jollibees in the San Francisco suburbs and you do have to scratch your head about their popularity, it is cheap anyway ...

Learn to read. Filipino food is an example how a reasonable cuisine, with varied foods, has been cheapened, degraded by American influence. The Jollibee copycat fast food enterprise stated in previous post was meant as a flippant remark on how pinoys managed the unthinkable, that is worsening American food. To paraphrase your latest signature: "Learn much, Talk little"

I have learned, to READ you.
You have a definite pattern of trashing everything American, whenever, and wherever you can.
Especially about our wonderful American food culture, which rivals any in the world. If you had spent any real eating time in America and don't know that, you had very bad advice about where to eat, or you didn't even try.

You conveyed that the undeniable tendency towards GREASINESS in Filipino cuisine was the fault of the American influence (an absurd charge), and no mention of Jollibies till much later, obviously you had been caught in your tired old American bashing game and were trying to do a DANCE. Nice try, no donut.

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Also consider your totally flawed logic:
1. Filipino food is greasy because of American influence
2. A Filipino/American fast food chain is MORE greasy because of Filipino influence
Filipinos just love the PIG FAT. That is it!

You said:

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tends to be on the greasy side. Flavours aren't well matched and can be overpowering. I guess that's partly due to the American influence.

Edited by Jingthing, 2008-11-25 16:35:12.

[davee58]

My Filipina girlfriend used to like Jolibee chicken, she is amazed by the high quality of the (spicy) KFC chicken here in Thailand.

The big difference between the Philippine Jollibee, and Thai KFC is the quality of the chicken meat used, Thai chicken meat is far better textured and meaty.

I think the Thai farming methods must be better.

I never thought I would be defending KFC fastfood.

[Sarge]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-25 16:05:47, said:

You conveyed that the undeniable tendency towards GREASINESS in Filipino cuisine was the fault of the American influence (an absurd charge), and no mention of Jollibies till much later, obviously you had been caught in your tired old American bashing game and were trying to do a DANCE. Nice try, no donut.

Also consider your totally flawed logic:
1. Filipino food is greasy because of American influence
2. A Filipino/American fast food chain is MORE greasy because of Filipino influence
Filipinos just love the PIG FAT. That is it!

You said:

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tends to be on the greasy side. Flavours aren't well matched and can be overpowering. I guess that's partly due to the American influence.

Learn to read part II, and learn to write, to carry forward an argument. Your words of association show someone who has clearly a confused notion of foods and world cuisines. Many great cuisines enjoy pork meat and pig derived products but none would call their food greasy. Greasiness in food not only come from animal fat but also from vegetable fats and oils, lipid material originated from plants. Another source of greasiness is deep fried foods. Overall sloppiness in food preparation and improper handling can be a contributing factor. So, for you to label Filipino food greasy ONLY because they "love the PIG FAT" (sic) and associate Jollibee to that notion, further diminish you credibility on anything food related. An expertise that you claim here on TV but it's routinely ridiculed when you post or start thread about Thai wines (which you admitted never tried), tomato based sauces simmered for hours, saying that your knowledge of Jollibee comes only from a visit to a S. Francisco branch, corny lil' poll thread about hot&spicy cuisines, commenting on Greek cuisine (when you only did a greek ONCE in Hungary) the list is endless ....

The Jollibee remark was stated as further notion of copycat bad food from America and not an example of greasiness. Dyslexia, for someone who call himself a "hack writer" it's a major flaw when writing or carrying an argument. Food expertise comes from education, training, working in food the industry, dealing with chefs, food manufacturers, restaurant & hotel owners, major retail multiples & deli stores, travelling and sampling cuisines in their birthplace and much more beside. Being from a country who has a rich culinary culture also helps. Hearsay based generic comments doesn't make you a foodie, rather someone who's a desperate attention seeker. So what's next from you then .... a thread about Zulu food based on the fact that you once shared snacks with a S. African busker at a Rejakavik bust stop?

[Jingthing]

Sarge, thanks for the stupid rant. You are busted as some having kind of personal vendetta against me and also I think ANY American who asserts he knows something about food. Your litany is so full of lies and distortions as to not be taken seriously, but the most absurd lie is that I only had Greek food one time. I never said such a thing (I did say I had it ONE time in Budapest Hungary typical of you to blow up a statement like that to say I have only had Greek food one time anywhere anyime: this is indicative of how low you will go to make up lies about me. In fact, I used to live near Greektown in Chicago and have toured Greece and frankly the Chicago Greektown food in America was often better. I am sure I know much more about the foods of the world than you based on your obvious Eurocentrism. I have worked in the food industry on the restaurant publicity side, I have socialized with chefs and worked for one of the biggest wine oriented websites on the planet.

I have also traveled and enjoyed Filipino food in the Philippines, it is often greasy with pork fat, that is just a fact. I ate at Jollibies in the bay area as a lark, my Filipino friends there told me the BAD food is exactly the same as on the islands, why waste a meal on the islands on that crap? If you didn't know (I know there is so much you do need to learn) Jollibies has opened a nuimber of locations in America in heavily Filipino areas, to give them that special crappy taste of home (almost all the customers are Filipino).

BTW, you are British, yes? And you have the nerve to attack American palates?

Edited by Jingthing, 2008-11-26 00:42:23.

[Sarge]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-26 00:12:36, said:

Sarge, thanks for the stupid rant. You are busted as some having kind of personal vendetta against me.....

lol just a few facts and figures are enough to bring the drama queen outta ya and dry up your argument. You yodelled that even when I replied to you, on another thread, for the very first time.

Jingthing, on 2008-11-26 00:12:36, said:

In fact, I used to live near Greektown in Chicago and have toured Greece and frankly the Chicago Greektown food in America was often better

I am sure I know much more about the foods of the world than you based on your obvious Eurocentrism

I have also traveled and enjoyed Filipino food in the Philippines

You're not gonna get respect based only on these unsubstantiated claims, this ain't a pissing contest. Ones worldliness, knowledge, expertise is shown when you go in details explaining the subject at hand, and ability to engage in conversation about theoretical and practical understanding of food preparation & handling, ingredient specs, cooking etc... Just saying "I know a lot about food ...... I travelled more than you think yadda yadda yadda..." w/o backing that up with proper writing and expertise makes you look a fool, and childish. Not something I'd expect from someone who's close to receiving a free bus pass.

Jingthing, on 2008-11-26 00:12:36, said:

I have worked in the food industry on the restaurant publicity side, I have socialized with chefs and worked for one of the biggest wine oriented websites on the planet

my Filipino friends there told me the BAD food

so all your great knowledge and food expertise comes from the fact you did a PR stint in a restaurant, chatted with chefs during lunch break, and worked (what work?) for a wine merchant? and your great understanding of pinoy food is because a mate told you BAD things about it? this is better than watching Fawlty Towers tv comedy. What one can say ....

[Jingthing]

One can say, I will be the bigger man and let you have last word in this ridiculous exchange. Your arrogant attitude and endless twisted laughable distortions speak for themselves and I don't wish to expend one more bit of energy suffering one such as you. Good day.

My sincere apologies to any readers for my culpability in playing along with the snob up until now. I have learned my lesson, he isn't worth my time ... and most definitely not yours to read this tripe.

Edited by Jingthing, 2008-11-26 02:12:56.

[Ulysses G.]

I have followed Jingthing's posts for quite some time and he is very intelligent and has excellent taste in food and many other things.
Sarge is just another big mouth America hating yob looking to wind up some Yanks. Pay him no attention!

Edited by Ulysses G., 2008-11-26 14:10:14.

[sutnyod]

pluto_manibo, on 2008-10-18 13:31:40, said:

Decent Filipino food=oxymoron

Right you are. When I lived in Thailand I took good food for granted. Big mistake. I have, however, to say that in the provinces there is nice food. They even use spices and herbs there . But in Manila? Forget it. Fortunately we are all good cooks. If anybody'd ask me about Filipino food my first reaction would be: shovel fatty meat and some veggies in a pan and fry with vinegar and sugar.

[junkofdavid2]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-21 02:48:54, said:

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guess that's partly due to the American influence.

When in doubt, blame the Americans! You can never go wrong with that.

Couldn't agree more!!!!

And in Thailand, blame Thaksin for everything!!! Oh, I forgot, blame the Thai-Chinese and hi-so for everything else too! Can't go wrong with that either!

[bonobo]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-25 16:05:47, said:

You have a definite pattern of trashing everything American, whenever, and wherever you can.
Especially about our wonderful American food culture, which rivals any in the world. If you had spent any real eating time in America and don't know that, you had very bad advice about where to eat, or you didn't even try.

Jingthing, I would just leave it be. I know that can be difficult, though.

Sarge does have some decent knowledge on what I would term the production and scientific aspects of cooking, and I would even bow to this expertise when seeking some pertinent facts.

But he does have some weird perceptions on American cuisines, and he seems to throw that out at every opportunity. American food= bad, all other food=good. And if any other food is bad, it must be from the American influence. His comments on this thread on Filipino food are typical (e.g., interjecting a derogatory comment on US cuisine).

Not wanting to get into a posting war on another thread, I even PM'd him with all due politeness to ask him how he developed his views on American cuisine. Of course, that was a waste of time.

OK, he has some sort of agenda agsint American food. So be it. I would just ignore him. I realize this is difficult when he interjects specious comments which are pretty far off-base, but if you ignore them, your blood pressure will be lower, and you can enjoy Thaivisa.com much more.

[bonobo]

OK, after posting the above, I have a Filipino food question.

I am buying a slow cooker today, and I want to make pork adobo this weekend. Does anyone have a favorite recipe that he or she would like to share?

I am not talking about the kind of 20-minute adobo you can get in Pampanga or other places, but the slow-cooked, vinegary adobo you can find in Manila.

Edited by bonobo, 2008-11-28 12:11:20.

[on-on]

sutnyod, on 2008-11-26 06:12:46, said:

pluto_manibo, on 2008-10-18 13:31:40, said:

Decent Filipino food=oxymoron

Right you are. When I lived in Thailand I took good food for granted. Big mistake. I have, however, to say that in the provinces there is nice food. They even use spices and herbs there . But in Manila? Forget it. Fortunately we are all good cooks. If anybody'd ask me about Filipino food my first reaction would be: shovel fatty meat and some veggies in a pan and fry with vinegar and sugar.

Unfortunately despite having spent a ton of time in Manila, I'm there for work and haven't had a chance to make it out of the city yet, so my experience is limited as of now. I go out with the staff and try different filipino food all the time and I couldn't agree more with this. It ranges from bland to awful and the earlier posts about ingredient quality are spot on in many cases. I still can't believe Adobo is the national dish. I get the impression that they're a poor country and a lot of the good produce and livestock is sold for export, but that's just an assumption based on conversations and experiences, nothing factual to back it up. I can enjoy some beef tapa and daningding and of course the various ihaw barbecued meats aren't horrible (the spanish cuisine is good too, salpicao for example), but the overwhelming greasy smell that pervades the city is just a hint of how ridiculously greasy the cooking is, heh. My impression of filipino food from Manila (to match yours): throw away 95% of all the vegetables and 99% of all the spices, put fat and meat in a pan until it looks like a pile of lumpy gravy and pour it over rice. Place on banana leaf to serve.

Beer's cheap and they do American food (Both a blessing and a curse) much better than Thailand, so it's a nice break for a couple of days. Then I get sick of our horrible fast food and concept restaurant exports and start craving Thai food again, which is almost all pretty bad in Manila as well (though I hear People's Palace is good).

As for where to get Pinoy food in Bangkok, the Philippines Embassy regularly has Filipinos Abroad (or something) parties that all nationalities can attend that are stocked with San Mig varieties and tons of home cooked Pinoy food and entertainers. It's pretty much like being at a street market in Malate or something. Red plastic tables everywhere, people dancing and singing randomly, etc. Good time.

Edited by on-on, 2008-12-09 17:02:09.

[bonobo]

Well, I made adobo the other night from a recipe I found on the internet. It was not a good effort.

The underlying taste was decent, but it was way too salty. Knowing I was using soy sauce, I should have cut out the added salt in the recipe.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[computerpsychologist]

There is a famous Filipino Restaurant in Pridi Banomyong Soi 40, Sukhumvit 71, Phrakanong, Bangkok - KUMPLETO RESTO Filipino Restaurant. They have lots of fun activities there every Friday and Saturday night like the ff:

1. Kumpleto Idol Singing Contest - for Filipino amateur singers only who may want to join the singing fun. It works like the famous American Idol where they will get monthly finalist, and Grand finals will be held on December.

2. Kumpleto Bingo Game - 14-ball draw Bingo game w/ pot cash prize money starts at Bt500. If no winners, Bt300 will be added on next week's game.

3. Kumpleto Pridi Dollies Show - gay show standup pinoy comedians. Entrance fee is Bt60 only.

I bet you, it's always full-packed out there every weekend w/ a whole lot of FUN!

<snip>

Edited by Jai Dee, 2010-04-22 08:55:52.
Reference to website deleted as per forum rules

[bonobo]

Just got back from four days in the PI, and I will throw out this observation:  I ate three lunches at Filipino company canteens in Cebu and outside Manila.  They all were pretty horrible, nothing near the quality I find at Thai company cafeterias.  I was so hungry that on three nights I went to buffets (Dads, a Filipino buffet with Filipino, Japanese and Western food--pretty good at the price-- and at the Dusit THani and the Shangrila.)

Having written that, I wouldn't mind hitting a Filipino place a couple times a year, so i will give the Soi 71 on mentioned in the post above a try.

[Ulysses G.]

bonobo, on 2008-11-28 12:06:21, said:

Jingthing, on 2008-11-25 16:05:47, said:

You have a definite pattern of trashing everything American, whenever, and wherever you can.

Jingthing, I would just leave it be. I know that can be difficult, though.

Sarge seems to be Missing in Action!

[LuisPeyton]

Food is important for everyone. But we can not eat more spicy food otherwise we will have problem about health.

[Jingthing]

LuisPeyton, on 2010-04-28 18:20:28, said:

Food is important for everyone. But we can not eat more spicy food otherwise we will have problem about health.

That's debatable. Many herbs and spices are very health promoting. For examples, hot chilies, garlic, and galangal, and many others.

Edited by Jingthing, 2010-04-28 18:24:41.

[midnightjay3]

I for one love Filipino cuisine!! Filipinos are creative enough and a great cook..

[onethailand]

Some Filipino dishes are decent - most of the ones I like involve pork, though.

Jollibees is beyond horrible.

But the one that I find the most disgusting - hot dogs. Must be 99% filler, and colored with a red dye on the outside. Doesn't matter if you find famous American brands like Swift manufacturing hot dogs in the Philippines, it's the same crappy stuff. Yet every Filipino I talk to, the number one thing they put in their suitcases when they travel are those disgusting hot dogs (like Thais and their Mama noodles).

Filipino spaghetti contains those hot dogs plus ketchup and sugar and does not in the least resemble any other spaghetti I've ever eaten, except perhaps for Chef Boyardee's canned stuff.

[jaideeguy]

Having spent almost a decade there before moving to LOS....mainly for the better food here.
I've often wondered why the Philipinos have been colonized by 2 western powers and only the worst of their foods have taken hold there and when the Phillipinos try to copy western food, they fall terribly short, yet the Thais , who have a delicious local cuisine can copy western food much better.
example.....bread

There are a handfull of Pinay dishes that I do appreciate....eggplant torta, some adobos, and a marinated seafood salad like cerviche....forget the name.

Also, observed that the Philipinos disrespect their food all the way from the market [filthy and full of flies] to the table, where it is often served at room temp, when it should be hot or cold]. Way too much sugar, msg and oil!!!

I do love the people of the Phil.....but would rather eat my own food there. saved a lot on restaurant costs