[Jingthing]

ASYLUM SETBACK
UK cancels visas of Thaksin, wife

The British Embassy has revoked entry visas of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Pojaman.

The cancellation, which was decided while the couple were outside England, has been notified to airlines yesterday.

The decision was made by the United Kingdom Border Agency, and the notification email was signed by Bangkok-based Immigration Liaison Manager Andy Gray.

The email read:

"Dear All,

The United Kingdom Border Agency has revoked the UK visas held by the following Thai nations:

Thaksin Shinawatra. Thai Passport Number D215863

Potjaman Shinawatra. Thai Passport Number D206635

The UK visas contained in the passports of the individuals listed above are no longer valid for travel.

Airlines are advised not to carry these passengers to the UK"

*** end *****

The embassy would not comment on the report. Contacted embassy officials said they "cannot comment on policy matters."

It was a big political blow for Thaksin, who was believed to be on his way from China to the Philippines yesterday. It was understood that the cancellation had to do with the recent court rulings that found Pojaman guilty of tax evasion and Thaksin guilty of breaking the conflict of interest law in the Ratchadapisek land purchase scandal.

Their children's British visas are still valid.

A senior People Power Party politician who has been in China this week answered The Nation's phone contact but replied to the inquiry about Thaksin's visa situation with only "I don't know. I don't know."

Thaksin has always described England as a "democratically mature" country as compared to Thailand. But he always denied having applied for asylum although he said England would be the country where he wanted to live in exile.

Last Saturday, in a controversial long-distance phone-in from Hong Kong, Thaksin accused his political opponents of breaking his family apart. In the same address, he also begged for royal pardon or a popular show of force to bring him back to Thailand.

"Nobody can bring me back to Thailand, except royal kindness of HM the King or the power of the people," Thaksin said. He also claimed that many countries have offered him "honorary citizenship", "which made me a bit sad because I could do many things for anybody else in the world, but nothing now for my country."

The statement triggered a major controversy in Thailand, with Thaksin being accused of trying to drag HM the King into politics. The UK visa move, however, gave Thaksin's statement a whole new perspective, making him sound more like someone desperate to find refuge rather than trying to provoke a political reaction.

It is not immediately known, however, whether Thaksin was aware of the impending visa cancellation before he left England the last time.

A source familiar with the UK legal and diplomatic thinking said the cancellation could have been based on "the different statuses" of Thaksin between the time he was issued the visa and now.

The Supreme Court only found Thaksin guilty in the Ratchadapisek land case late last month, weeks after he fled Thailand during the Beijing Olympics. He fled with his wife, who only days earlier had been found guilty of tax evasion.

England has been under the world community's watchful eyes when Thaksin is concerned. Diplomatic observers have said a decision whether or not to give Thaksin asylum would generate strong ramifications on England's relations with Thailand, as well as London's reputations when democracy, foreign relations and legal principles are concerned.

-- The Nation 2008-11-08

[lannarebirth]

Sweet!

[tijnebijn]

Its new for me , that Thaksin and his wife are Thai nations .....instead of nationals .....

Think its a poor written article , but is it true ?

[MKAsok]

Woohoo!

[Hairy]

lannarebirth, on 2008-11-07 11:59:58, said:

Sweet!

Whoa. That's gonna leave a mark.

[jdinasia]

I wonder where he's going to end up living? Belize is nice and a passport from there is pretty easy!

[lannarebirth]

A quick Google does not reveal any UK media sources which corroborate this story. I guess we'll know tomorrow.

[basjke]

I guess he might be back in thailand sooner then expected,and without a royal pardon or the power from the people like he said in speech a few days ago.
If GB refuses him entry then other country's might follow.

[MKAsok]

There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here.

[Swanky]

Wow. Time to face the music I guess.

[phaethon]

MKAsok, on 2008-11-08 01:56:21, said:

There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here.

That appears to be the oldest source ofthis, and guess what... it's the PAD website.

[basjke]

Hopefully he took his atm card with him when leaving home or his internet banking login.

[MKAsok]

phaethon, on 2008-11-08 02:09:31, said:

MKAsok, on 2008-11-08 01:56:21, said:

There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here.

That appears to be the oldest source ofthis, and guess what... it's the PAD website.

From what I can see right now (I may be wrong) they got it from here.

[spiderman2]

Surely if they take away his visa he will apply to be a political asylum seeker, with all the human rights we have here and in the EU, he isnt going to jail in LOS anytime soon unless he volunteers to.

[Livinginexile]

MKAsok, on 2008-11-08 01:56:21, said:

There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here.

Their visa's have not been revoked.

Just more lies from the fazist PAD thugs.

Desperate moves by desperate people.

[basjke]

spiderman2, on 2008-11-08 03:09:22, said:

Surely if they take away his visa he will apply to be a political asylum seeker, with all the human rights we have here and in the EU, he isnt going to jail in LOS anytime soon unless he volunteers to.

That was garry glitter's thought also.But living in an airport isn't quite easy.
I also assume if GB cancels his visa that they make it clear already what the answer will be on an asylum request.

[Jingthing]

This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated?

This post has been edited by Jingthing: 2008-11-08 03:55

[Rinrada]

Worth thing about...

Given the deep divisions in Thailand over Thaksin's legacy, keeping him out of the country could actually prove beneficial.

His presence back in Thailand - in prison or not - could actually stir things up more than either his supporters, or his detractors, want...so even ./and ..If the UK decided to extradite Thaksin, a challenge could then be launched at the European Court of Human Rights.

This would prolong the whole process by many months and cases generally take about five years to reach the court.

so to start the process ...heres the score....


Extradition Act 2003
2003 CHAPTER 41
CONTENTS

UK Extradition Act,,,,starts here......Page 1 of 18

Go to Preamble

Part 1

Extradition to category 1 territories

Introduction

1. Extradition to category 1 territories
2. Part 1 warrant and certificate
Arrest

3. Arrest under certified Part 1 warrant
4. Person arrested under Part 1 warrant
5. Provisional arrest
6. Person arrested under section 5
The initial hearing

7. Identity of person arrested
8. Remand etc.
The extradition hearing

9. Judge’s powers at extradition hearing
10. Initial stage of extradition hearing
11. Bars to extradition
12. Rule against double jeopardy
13. Extraneous considerations
14. Passage of time
15. Age
16. Hostage-taking considerations
17. Speciality
18. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from category 1 territory
19. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from non-category 1 territory
20. Case where person has been convicted
21. Human rights
Matters arising before end of extradition hearing

22. Person charged with offence in United Kingdom
23. Person serving sentence in United Kingdom
24. Extradition request
25. Physical or mental condition
Appeals

26. Appeal against extradition order
27. Court’s powers on appeal under section 26
28. Appeal against discharge at extradition hearing
29. Court’s powers on appeal under section 28
30. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 28
31. Appeal to High Court: time limit for start of hearing
32. Appeal to House of Lords
33. Powers of House of Lords on appeal under section 32
34. Appeals: general
Time for extradition

35. Extradition where no appeal
36. Extradition following appeal
37. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence in United Kingdom
38. Extradition following deferral for competing claim
39. Asylum claim
40. Certificate in respect of asylum claimant
Withdrawal of Part 1 warrant

41. Withdrawal of warrant before extradition
42. Withdrawal of warrant while appeal to High Court pending
43. Withdrawal of warrant while appeal to House of Lords pending
Competing Part 1 warrants

44. Competing Part 1 warrants
Consent to extradition

45. Consent to extradition
46. Extradition order following consent
47. Extradition to category 1 territory following consent
48. Other warrant issued following consent
49. Other warrant issued: extradition to category 1 territory
50. Other warrant issued: proceedings deferred
51. Extradition request following consent
52. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence
53. Extradition following deferral for competing claim
Post-extradition matters

54. Request for consent to other offence being dealt with
55. Questions for decision at consent hearing
56. Request for consent to further extradition to category 1 territory
57. Questions for decision at consent hearing
58. Consent to further extradition to category 2 territory
59. Return of person to serve remainder of sentence
Costs

60. Costs where extradition ordered
61. Costs where discharge ordered
62. Costs where discharge ordered: supplementary
Repatriation cases

63. Persons serving sentences outside territory where convicted
Interpretation

64. Extradition offences: person not sentenced for offence
65. Extradition offences: person sentenced for offence
66. Extradition offences: supplementary
67. The appropriate judge
68. The extradition hearing
Part 2

Extradition to category 2 territories

Introduction

69. Extradition to category 2 territories
70. Extradition request and certificate
Arrest

71. Arrest warrant following extradition request
72. Person arrested under section 71
73. Provisional warrant
74. Person arrested under provisional warrant
The extradition hearing

75. Date of extradition hearing: arrest under section 71
76. Date of extradition hearing: arrest under provisional warrant
77. Judge’s powers at extradition hearing
78. Initial stages of extradition hearing
79. Bars to extradition
80. Rule against double jeopardy
81. Extraneous considerations
82. Passage of time
83. Hostage-taking considerations
84. Case where person has not been convicted
85. Case where person has been convicted
86. Conviction in person’s absence
87. Human rights
88. Person charged with offence in United Kingdom
89. Person serving sentence in United Kingdom
90. Competing extradition claim
91. Physical or mental condition
92. Case sent to Secretary of State
Secretary of State’s functions

93. Secretary of State’s consideration of case
94. Death penalty
95. Speciality
96. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from other territory
97. Deferral: person charged with offence in United Kingdom
98. Deferral: person serving sentence in United Kingdom
99. Time limit for order for extradition or discharge
100. Information
101. Making of order for extradition or discharge
102. The appropriate day
Appeals

103. Appeal where case sent to Secretary of State
104. Court’s powers on appeal under section 103
105. Appeal against discharge at extradition hearing
106. Court’s powers on appeal under section 105
107. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 105
108. Appeal against extradition order
109. Court’s powers on appeal under section 108
110. Appeal against discharge by Secretary of State
111. Court’s powers on appeal under section 110
112. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 110
113. Appeal to High Court: time limit for start of hearing
114. Appeal to House of Lords
115. Powers of House of Lords on appeal under section 114
116. Appeals: general
Time for extradition

117. Extradition where no appeal
118. Extradition following appeal
119. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence in United Kingdom
120. Extradition following deferral for competing claim
121. Asylum claim
Withdrawal of extradition request

122. Withdrawal of request before end of extradition hearing
123. Withdrawal of request after case sent to Secretary of State
124. Withdrawal of request while appeal to High Court pending
125. Withdrawal of request while appeal to House of Lords pending
Competing extradition requests

126. Competing extradition requests
Consent to extradition

127. Consent to extradition: general
128. Consent to extradition before case sent to Secretary of State
Post-extradition matters

129. Consent to other offence being dealt with
130. Consent to further extradition to category 2 territory
131. Consent to further extradition to category 1 territory
132. Return of person to serve remainder of sentence
Costs

133. Costs where extradition ordered
134. Costs where discharge ordered
135. Costs where discharge ordered: supplementary
Repatriation cases

136. Persons serving sentences outside territory where convicted
Interpretation

137. Extradition offences: person not sentenced for offence
138. Extradition offences: person sentenced for offence
139. The appropriate judge
140. The extradition hearing
141. Scotland: references to Secretary of State
Part 3

Extradition to the United Kingdom

Extradition from category 1 territories

142. Issue of Part 3 warrant
143. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence
144. Return to extraditing territory to serve sentence
145. Service of sentence in territory executing Part 3 warrant
146. Dealing with person for other offences
147. Effect of consent to extradition to the United Kingdom
148. Extradition offences
149. The appropriate judge
Extradition from category 2 territories

150. Dealing with person for other offences: Commonwealth countries etc.
151. Dealing with person for other offences: other category 2 territories
General

152. Remission of punishment for other offences
153. Return of person acquitted or not tried
154. Restriction on bail where undertaking given by Secretary of State
155. Service personnel
Part 4

Police powers

Warrants and orders

156. Search and seizure warrants
157. Production orders
158. Requirements for making of production order
159. Computer information
160. Warrants: special procedure material and excluded material
Search and seizure without warrant

161. Entry and search of premises for purposes of arrest
162. Entry and search of premises on arrest
163. Search of person on arrest
164. Entry and search of premises after arrest
165. Additional seizure powers
Treatment following arrest

166. Fingerprints and samples
167. Searches and examination
168. Photographs
169. Evidence of identity: England and Wales
170. Evidence of identity: Northern Ireland
171. Other treatment and rights
Delivery of seized property

172. Delivery of seized property
Codes of practice

173. Codes of practice
General

174. Interpretation
175. Customs officers
176. Service policemen
Part 5

Miscellaneous and general

British overseas territories

177. Extradition from British overseas territories
178. Extradition to British overseas territories
Competing extradition claims

179. Competing claims to extradition
180. Proceedings on deferred warrant or request
181. Proceedings where extradition deferred
Legal aid

182. Legal advice, assistance and representation: England and Wales
183. Legal aid: Scotland
184. Grant of free legal aid: Northern Ireland
185. Free legal aid: supplementary
Re-extradition

186. Re-extradition: preliminary
187. Re-extradition hearing
188. Re-extradition to category 1 territories
189. Re-extradition to category 2 territories
Conduct of extradition proceedings

190. Crown Prosecution Service: role in extradition proceedings
191. Lord Advocate: role in extradition proceedings
192. Northern Ireland DPP and Crown Solicitor: role in extradition proceedings
Parties to international Conventions

193. Parties to international Conventions
Special extradition arrangements

194. Special extradition arrangements
Human rights

195. Human rights: appropriate tribunal
Genocide etc

196. Genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes
Custody and bail

197. Custody
198. Bail: England and Wales
199. Bail: Scotland
200. Appeal against grant of bail
201. Remand to local authority accommodation
Evidence

202. Receivable documents
203. Documents sent by facsimile
204. Part 1 warrant: transmission by other electronic means
205. Written statements and admissions
206. Burden and standard of proof
Other miscellaneous provisions

207. Extradition for more than one offence
208. National security
209. Reasonable force
210. Rules of court
211. Service of notices
212. Article 95 alerts: transitional provision
Interpretation

213. Disposal of Part 1 warrant and extradition request
214. Disposal of charge
215. European framework list
216. Other interpretative provisions
General

217. Form of documents
218. Existing legislation on extradition
219. Amendments
220. Repeals
221. Commencement
222. Channel Islands and Isle of Man
223. Orders and regulations
224. Orders in Council
225. Finance
226. Extent
227. Short title

Schedule 1
Re-extradition: modifications
Part 1
Category 1 territories
Part 2
Category 2 territories
Schedule 2
European framework list
Schedule 3
Amendments
Schedule 4
Repeals

An Act to make provision about extradition.

[20th November 2003]

Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—


another 18 pages.....

[jdinasia]

Thanks for a long post about nothing ... well at least nothing if the title of this thread is correct. Extradition FROM the UK isn't an issue for someone that CAN'T ENTER the UK

[Rinrada]

jdinasia, on 2008-11-07 15:25:06, said:

Thanks for a long post about nothing ... well at least nothing if the title of this thread is correct. Extradition FROM the UK isn't an issue for someone that CAN'T ENTER the UK

Case of 'erse about tits' ...scunnered even...yes...O...Hum

[LaoPo]

Jingthing, on 2008-11-07 21:54:48, said:

This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated?

Most likely fabricated.

I did a search:

http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-relea...s#searchResults

Very odd The Nation publish this without double checking the ''news''.

LaoPo

[cclub75]

LaoPo, on 2008-11-08 04:41:23, said:

Jingthing, on 2008-11-07 21:54:48, said:

This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated?

Most likely fabricated.

I did a search:

http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-relea...s#searchResults

Very odd The Nation publish this without double checking the ''news''.

LaoPo

It sounds strange indeed. The point is : on what ground the british gvt would revoke their visas ???? !!!!

And they did apply for political asylum, right ? During the processs, UK can't throw out people like that.

And Thailand has absolutly no leverage against the british gvt to do it... so ?

Strange, really.

[sriracha john]

ASTV: British Embassy Revokes Thaksin's Visa

PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul announces on PAD stage that the U.K. embassy has revoked the visas of both Thaksin and Khunying Pojaman Shinawatra.

The PAD leader cited a Manager newspaper's report that the embassy has revoked both fugitives' visas. The order reportedly takes effect today.

TOC / 2008-11-08

[LaoPo]

sriracha john, on 2008-11-07 23:01:25, said:

ASTV: British Embassy Revokes Thaksin's Visa

PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul announces on PAD stage that the U.K. embassy has revoked the visas of both Thaksin and Khunying Pojaman Shinawatra.

The PAD leader cited a Manager newspaper's report that the embassy has revoked both fugitives' visas. The order reportedly takes effect today.

TOC / 2008-11-08

Interesting that PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul knows more than the BBC and even the UK's Home office - Press Office.

And, isn't ASTV/ and "a Manager newspaper" related to Sondhi ?

LaoPo

[Shah Jahan]

Well if this is real - then the UK is very smart to want get involved in a bunch of messy Thai politics. They probably had enough when he started using UK as his staging ground (phone in) for his personal propaganda - which didnt really match up with the asylum card he was trying to play

if it is a hoax then this is some good piece of magic someone pulled.