Madi, the fact that Obama was elected doesn't have anything to do with "media - truth" relation.
No thanks for going off point.
Nixon resigned, he didn't wait for the coup. None of the Thai PMs resigned volunarily - so here for your comparison between Thai and US politics.
Actually Chuan I resigned after a land scandal, and Chavalit resigned after mishandling 1997 crisis - prior to TRT/PPP politicians felt responsible before the people. That has clearly changed.
Suvarnabhumi PAD Protest Continues
Started by Jai Dee, 2008-11-29 09:58
#2077
newtronbom
Senior Member Posted 2008-12-03 10:21:02
The airport is opening today! Just off the news on TV. When all you guys stop arguing "semantics" and stop pulling each other to bits, lets just admit that PAD did start this protest on legitimate grounds, with very good reason too. I think personally though, despite the good reasons for the protest, they did get way off track and "HAVE RUINED THIS COUNTRY DOING IT!" The economy was in a down slide, yes agreed, but nobody can deny, that the irresponsible actions of PAD have torn this country apart and destroyed the lives of many people. I think that we have to make the best with what we have. Nothing can "fix" this countries problems over night. It needs time and some "new blood" in any party which may form. I just hope that we can now relax a bit, cool off and remember all those "good reasons" for which we all of us here on Thai Visa, have decided to live here in Thailand. <snip> I for one, just hope this will end now.
Edited by Jai Dee, 2008-12-03 10:49:52.
#2078
Kerryd
Independent Member Posted 2008-12-03 10:21:29
The political act here in Thailand is a joke. You bringing up GW does not change that fact does it.. By the way, America just had an election and elected a Black man. No coup there. In fact your Bush bashing, well deserved by GW, only shows how solid the American system is. He was and is very unpopular in America but there is NO coup. One president starts a war on false pretences that has left 10's of thousands of people dead, and gets 2 terms in office. Even after all his justifications for starting the war were proven false, no attempt was made to remove him from office (can't impeach a president during a war ! Even if it's one he started for suspect reasons and has lead to more American deaths than 9/11.) Another president gets a BJ in the White House and has to face impeachment hearings. Guess old Billy should have invaded another country too. So, to sum up those two examples. Start a war - Get a 2nd term in office. Get a BJ - Get Impeached (or nearly so). Yes, there hasn't been a coup in America (yet). But then again, GW and others haven't (openly) changed laws for their personal benefit. GW and others haven't tried amending the constitution to save their own necks. GW and company haven't tried (or threatened) to impeach the Supreme Court to prevent a ruling that was unfavourable to them. And do you think that the American people would just sit back in their easy chairs sipping their ice tea, if their government had tried doing all that ? Do you think that if a few years down the road, GW is found charged with a crime, found guilty, sentenced to prison, flees the country, and then (openly) exerts control of the government through proxies and fomenting unrest, that the American people would just sit back and say "Gosh golly darn Martha, I really don't like what is happening, our country is in trouble and our democracy is threatened, but I'll just sit here and watch it go down the tubes, and hope that it all sorts itself out. After all, I wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone by trying to defend my country." Hmmm, during the "Kent State Massacre" who were the terrorists, the students protesting America's invasion of Cambodia, or the Ohio National Guard that opened fire on them ? It seems a lot of people here, from older, more established democracies, really wanted to see blood flowing in the streets. Gees, too bad you guys weren't around during the American Revolution ! You could have jumped up, grabbed your trusty musket and shot those pesky upstart colonials that wanted to throw out the ruling British. Can you imagine the nerve of those colonials, inconveniencing a large part of the country (at the time) by dumping huge quantities of tea into the harbour ! Thailand's democracy is in it's infancy compared to America's and (most) of Europe's. There has been a lot of turmoil over the 70+ years since they started out, and they have a ways to go yet. How it gets played out in the end depends on the Thai people. #2079
madi
Senior Member Posted 2008-12-03 10:30:19
Madi, the fact that Obama was elected doesn't have anything to do with "media - truth" relation. No thanks for going off point. Nixon resigned, he didn't wait for the coup. None of the Thai PMs resigned volunarily - so here for your comparison between Thai and US politics. Actually Chuan I resigned after a land scandal, and Chavalit resigned after mishandling 1997 crisis - prior to TRT/PPP politicians felt responsible before the people. That has clearly changed. Some people do not like to be told the truth. Why say something that all educated people know is nonsense? You said this. "Nixon resigned, he didn't wait for the coup. None of the Thai PMs resigned volunarily - so here for your comparison between Thai and US politics." Nixon resigned before being removed under the Constitution in America by the US Congress. His party was NOT removed. It was not outlawed. No court can remove a president in a real democracy and you know it. Only the Congress or Parliment can do that. He was not thrown out for being on a cooking show. HAAA HAAA You remind me of someone who sees a mass murderer and defends him by saying we all make mistakes. HAAAA HAAA Keep it up because it makes me laugh. HAAAAA Trade tariffs are coming and then you will of course call everyone in the world names. #2080
madi
Senior Member Posted 2008-12-03 10:37:10
The political act here in Thailand is a joke. You bringing up GW does not change that fact does it.. By the way, America just had an election and elected a Black man. No coup there. In fact your Bush bashing, well deserved by GW, only shows how solid the American system is. He was and is very unpopular in America but there is NO coup. One president starts a war on false pretences that has left 10's of thousands of people dead, and gets 2 terms in office. Even after all his justifications for starting the war were proven false, no attempt was made to remove him from office (can't impeach a president during a war ! Even if it's one he started for suspect reasons and has lead to more American deaths than 9/11.) Another president gets a BJ in the White House and has to face impeachment hearings. Guess old Billy should have invaded another country too. So, to sum up those two examples. Start a war - Get a 2nd term in office. Get a BJ - Get Impeached (or nearly so). Yes, there hasn't been a coup in America (yet). But then again, GW and others haven't (openly) changed laws for their personal benefit. GW and others haven't tried amending the constitution to save their own necks. GW and company haven't tried (or threatened) to impeach the Supreme Court to prevent a ruling that was unfavourable to them. And do you think that the American people would just sit back in their easy chairs sipping their ice tea, if their government had tried doing all that ? Do you think that if a few years down the road, GW is found charged with a crime, found guilty, sentenced to prison, flees the country, and then (openly) exerts control of the government through proxies and fomenting unrest, that the American people would just sit back and say "Gosh golly darn Martha, I really don't like what is happening, our country is in trouble and our democracy is threatened, but I'll just sit here and watch it go down the tubes, and hope that it all sorts itself out. After all, I wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone by trying to defend my country." Hmmm, during the "Kent State Massacre" who were the terrorists, the students protesting America's invasion of Cambodia, or the Ohio National Guard that opened fire on them ? It seems a lot of people here, from older, more established democracies, really wanted to see blood flowing in the streets. Gees, too bad you guys weren't around during the American Revolution ! You could have jumped up, grabbed your trusty musket and shot those pesky upstart colonials that wanted to throw out the ruling British. Can you imagine the nerve of those colonials, inconveniencing a large part of the country (at the time) by dumping huge quantities of tea into the harbour ! Thailand's democracy is in it's infancy compared to America's and (most) of Europe's. There has been a lot of turmoil over the 70+ years since they started out, and they have a ways to go yet. How it gets played out in the end depends on the Thai people. #2081
george
Puyai Baan Posted 2008-12-03 10:42:33
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