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[hammered]

It looks like nobody in the police wants

a. blood on their hands
b. to put their necks on the line when government change may be imminent
c. to be the one who triggers the coup
d. pay more than lip service to the PM

Somchai is also undermined by hiding in Chiang Mai. If he were in Bangkok he would have more authority. Who is going to risk themself for a leader who has admitted he is hiding in Chaing Mai becuase he is scared of the military? This seems to be where we are now, and short of a really committed police leader with close connections to Thaksin and the PPP or a vigilante action by the red shirts it looks like the situation will continue unresolved.

[animatic]

yogi, on 2008-11-29 11:00:10, said:

they are killing there own people...petty

No reports of any deaths during this seige.

[Jai Dee]

U-tapao airport's director askes for cooperation  

  The director of U-tapao Airport called for cooperation from all airlines and passengers using the airport to respect the rights of one another due to the airport’s limited capacity.

U-tapao Airport director R.A.Sophon Bunchom (โสภณ บุญชม) said that the airport's can accommodate only 40 airplanes and 100-200 passengers and it would therefore take a long time in luggage transferring. He said at present only staff of the Thai Airways International arrange flights at the airport.

As for measures to deal with the People’s Alliance for Democracy’s (PAD) who may surround the airport, the director said that the governor of Rayong province had traveled to the airport to assess the situation himself and sent officials to assist the airport. The director also expressed his belief that the situation will not be worrisome and requested people who are using the airport to respect the place as it is a military zone.  

Source: National News Bureau of Thailand - 29 November 2008

[arkom]

The Royal Thai police are a joke!!!!  They went in to remove the PAD from Suvarnabhumi and what happened, the PAD ended up raiding the police trucks and taking their riot gear.  The Thai police force is going to be the laughing stock if the law enforcement community if they can't control the situation.  We need to get Batman to take of the PAD, atleast he won't back down hahaha.  

Oh Somchai should just quit, he freaking ego is just making the situtaion worse, he obviously has no control of our country which is in chaos now.

[bubba]

Just the latest BBC report. Jonathan Head reported that the police began some sort of action more than an hour ago, but were met by "hardened" PAD protesters. Head's comment was that "the police appeared to be more frightened of the PAD approaching them than the PAD were of the police".

Nothing going on now according to BBC. Oh wait, it's almost midday. Time for the Keystone Cops to kin kaow!

[Xangsamhua]

h90, on 2008-11-29 11:17:38, said:

wasabi, on 2008-11-29 11:09:42, said:

h90, on 2008-11-29 11:04:01, said:

wasabi, on 2008-11-29 10:54:47, said:

The more the rent-a-protesters crush the economy without any repercussions the more emboldened they get. Before this I sympathized with organized protest against what they feel is a corrupt government but this has become megalomania and anarchy. School is now in session.

As you should be able to understand by now that these are not paid protesters. Paid protesters give up before they die. Only true believer overrun police armed with automatic guns.

If this is true why were several Thai's I know offered 500 Baht to protest at the airport? Also once you go there they threaten you with violence if you want to leave. I realize they feel their cause is important and justified by any means necessary and that is why they should be removed because Hitler felt the same.

I'm not saying Thaksin is St. Francis but he and his marionette Brother in law were elected by the majority so who is wrong here?

that is nonsense, rumors spread from PPP.

Think:
Offered 500 Baht
Hold hostage against your will there
Police come with automatic guns
you raid the police without guns?????????????

Lot friends and some relatives stay there almost every night, sometimes on the day, no one got money, no one was blocked from going home, no one saw some one begging for being allowed to go home.
As well I was a couple of times at government house and they let me go again.

Of course possible that some supporter by their own help some people who want to go there, so their families has money for food. But for sure no official buying people.

Yes, a simple visit to the PAD at Government House before this week would put paid to the myths and misinformation that seems to be rampant on thaivisa.com.  "Paid rent-a-protestors!"  Sounds slick when you say it quickly, but it has no validity, just noise.

[frodo]

They just showed a clip on BBC. There were many protesters surrounding the police, but not a single arrest or shot. The only thing I could see from the clip was the police and a few protesters talking followed by the police leaving. BBC did report that the police don't feel comfortable with this situation.

How much longer can the government keep their heads in the sand? The police and military really don't want involvement and have little regard for the Somchai lead PPP.

[wasabi]

In highly propagandistic situations like this there is a great chance everything I have been told is not as it seems. So I don't mean to further mistruths if that is the case. I'm just reporting what people I trust have told me, not what I have read in the news.

What I have been told is the PAD doesn't want the people in Issan to have an equal vote in the demographic process. It seems obvious because they don't like who they select. Also actions speak louder than words. Also I see Somchai barking orders from safety in Chiang Mai via video feed. The same for Thaksin. This seems cowardly on both their parts. The whole situation is very saddening to me and I would like it to end. Not because it's an inconvenience to me personally. I have no need to go to the airport and haven't noticed anything different on my soi. If I didn't read the news I wouldn't even know this was going on.

My views on this may have changed but it is a thinking person's obligation to develop their thesis. I am sad about this because it is crippling the economy and the opportunity of the Thai's. I really don't know the answer. The Government that the majority elected to step down? Or the protesters to feel they've made their point and step away. I don't think either side wants to use reason. So it will have to end violently which is a terrible tragedy.

[shawndoc]

ChiangMaiThai, on 2008-11-28 19:42:57, said:

Does anyone have a link to live bbc world news? I've only got CNN and it seems they can't remove themselves from Mumbai. The tragedy that that is, there are a lot of other stories in the world.

I'd be surprised if the BBC was any better.  During the Tsunami, my hotel in Patong only got the BBC, and it was non-stop reporting on India.  Barely any mention of Thailand, Indonesia, Sumatra, etc.

[bubba]

PAD driving away police at Suvarnabhumi  

(BangkokPost.com) – Police who set up security checkpoints at Suvarnabhumi airport were overran by a handful of protesters led by the anti-government People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) on Saturday morning.

The PAD mobilised more yellow-clad protesters to drive the police out of the airport. The protesters destroyed police vehicles, including inmate trucks, and blockaded the motorway to Suvarnabhumi.

After the Emergency Decree was enforced in Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports, police were deployed to the motorway and set up security checkpoints to stop more demonstrators from entering Suvarnabhumi. However, the operation fell short as the police could not resist the anti-government raid.

Besides, the protesters were able to take back their knives and rods seized by the authorities earlier.


So far in today's test match:

PAD Yellowshirts: 1
Kingdom of Thailand Keystone Cops: 0

http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=132365

[CockneyGit]

Quote

Of course possible that some supporter by their own help some people who want to go there, so their families has money for food. But for sure no official buying people.

The main ingredient for good comedy......

....timing!

Thanks for that, I needed a little boost this morning...!!!

[KhaoNiaw]

shawndoc, on 2008-11-29 11:31:44, said:

ChiangMaiThai, on 2008-11-28 19:42:57, said:

Does anyone have a link to live bbc world news? I've only got CNN and it seems they can't remove themselves from Mumbai. The tragedy that that is, there are a lot of other stories in the world.

I'd be surprised if the BBC was any better.  During the Tsunami, my hotel in Patong only got the BBC, and it was non-stop reporting on India.  Barely any mention of Thailand, Indonesia, Sumatra, etc.

Al Jazeera have a reporter at the airport but still mainly on Mumbai. The reporter estimates PAD numbers have doubled since the start with more coming in to enjoy the weekend. And it doesn't seem like the police are about to move in any time soon.
http://english.aljaz....net/watch_now/

[h90]

Xangsamhua, on 2008-11-29 11:26:23, said:

Yes, a simple visit to the PAD at Government House before this week would put paid to the myths and misinformation that seems to be rampant on thaivisa.com.  "Paid rent-a-protestors!"  Sounds slick when you say it quickly, but it has no validity, just noise.

To add: most people made pictures of themself or movies and most of their cameras were not the cheap 3000 Baht model. You could see clearly that these are not the poor one.

[ignis]

Wolfie, on 2008-11-29 10:46:49, said:

WinnieTheKhwai, on 2008-11-29 10:41:29, said:

I think it would be wise to not consider ASTV a 'news source', for posts here or otherwise.

Also the 'live feed' shows what their spin doctors want you to see.

Stick with the BBC.

The problem with the BBC is it tends to be several hours out of date and then inaccurate at best!

Yes agree,  you get much 'newer' news on Al Jazerra  BBC has the same news  4 or 5 hours later, it happens time and time again.

[tatt2dude]

bubba, on 2008-11-29 11:32:35, said:

The PAD mobilised more yellow-clad protesters to drive the police out of the airport. The protesters destroyed police vehicles, including inmate trucks, and blockaded the motorway to Suvarnabhumi.

Interesting. The PAD I saw in the BBC report were clad in black, balaclava's the lot...... very menacing.

In the interest of anti-corruption and what is right, I take it the leaders of the PAD will be stepping forward once this is over..... whatever the outcome...... to face the music and do their "time" for what amounts to an act of terrorism.

Anything else would surely be in contradiction of their own protest. We would not want anyone to avoid prosecution of their crimes through influence and manipulation would we?

That is of course if hijacking an International airport is actually a crime?

[soundman]

Post have been removed.

While taking Mr Taksin out of the equation may or may not be the answer to this problem, advocating the death of another human being is not what Thai Visa internet forum is about.

No more assasinations, mossads, CIA's or the like please.




Cool it down people.

Edited by soundman, 2008-11-29 11:48:14.

[Jai Dee]

Chamlong says crisis will end before Dec 5

Chamlong Srimaung, a co-leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy, said Saturday that the political crisis would end before Friday.

He said he was willing to hold talk with Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat anywhere except Chiang Mai because it is too far away.

Source: The Nation - 29 November 2008

[KhaoNiaw]

Jai Dee, on 2008-11-29 11:48:16, said:

He said he was willing to hold talk with Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat anywhere except Chiang Mai because it is too far away.

Source: The Nation - 29 November 2008

[BeauKarl]

Does this look like people who will go away without a battle?
Even if the Pm steps down, what will their next demand be before they would actually leave peacefully?

Edited by BeauKarl, 2008-11-29 11:51:38.

[Jai Dee]

Thaksin demands PAD to leave Suvarnabhumi     

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra expressed concern over Thailand’s political situation and demanded the anti-government People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) to leave Suvarnabhumi airport immediately. While giving a press interview abroad, Mr Thaksin said the airport must resume operation and the PAD demonstrators must abide by the law and respect others who have been affected. Those who violated the law must be prosecuted, he added.

The former premier called on all sides, including the army, to unite and help protect democracy because Thai people have suffered since dictatorship came in the country.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

[Insight]

Jai Dee, on 2008-11-29 11:50:30, said:

Thaksin demands PAD to leave Suvarnabhumi     

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra expressed concern over Thailand’s political situation and demanded the anti-government People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) to leave Suvarnabhumi airport immediately. While giving a press interview abroad, Mr Thaksin said the airport must resume operation and the PAD demonstrators must abide by the law and respect others who have been affected. Those who violated the law must be prosecuted, he added.

The former premier called on all sides, including the army, to unite and help protect democracy because Thai people have suffered since dictatorship came in the country.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

This guy should be on stage. Is it possible to measure the wealth of a man by the number of bounty's on his head?

[hammered]

Jai Dee, on 2008-11-29 11:50:30, said:

Thaksin demands PAD to leave Suvarnabhumi     

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra expressed concern over Thailand’s political situation and demanded the anti-government People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) to leave Suvarnabhumi airport immediately. While giving a press interview abroad, Mr Thaksin said the airport must resume operation and the PAD demonstrators must abide by the law and respect others who have been affected. Those who violated the law must be prosecuted, he added.

The former premier called on all sides, including the army, to unite and help protect democracy because Thai people have suffered since dictatorship came in the country.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

Surely the comment about abiding by the law is part of a late night comedy skit

Anyway we now know who is calling the shots at Chaing mai High Command.

[frodo]

Jai Dee, on 2008-11-29 11:50:30, said:

Thaksin demands PAD to leave Suvarnabhumi  

It is very obvious now he is running this muppet government. The wanted criminal making demands.

[Xangsamhua]

bubba, on 2008-11-29 11:32:35, said:

PAD driving away police at Suvarnabhumi  

So far in today's test match:

PAD Yellowshirts: 1
Kingdom of Thailand Keystone Cops: 0

It's not a case of Keystone Cops, but of police who have no faith in their commanders and are unwilling to put themselves on the line for them.

[Gravelrash]

If the police can't evict the PAD then that really is it for the inept government. As a seize power at any cost move by the PAD it has been quite a clever strategy as they have the army on side. In reality this is a another coup, but by insurgency rather than via the usual army. No doubt the country and economy will take years to recover from this but as in any situation where there is a power play for control of a country the power brokers from opposing sides really don't care. If more violence ensues later in response to this then Thailand may have done itself immeasurable damage.

PAD supporters here should consider that a victory in a battle isn't always what it seems, you can sometimes win the war but lose the peace.

Sadly the usual military coup would probably have caused less damage. What remains to be seen is whether after the dust settles the PAD will have managed to split the country further. There is already an insurrection in the south, are they now going to disenfranchise (as they have threatened) and alienate the north and northeast? Thailand is more than just Bangkok.