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[oceano]

Soutpeel, on 2008-12-04 19:31:00, said:

oceano, on 2008-12-04 20:25:13, said:

Yes and also 1.600.000 bath in your bank for your non-imm, and the minimum of 3 milion put in one bank from the company for make one work permit

Its actually two million and its 2 million capitalisation, not 2 million cash in the bank...

No...capitalisation means at one moment you must have money and propierty for 2 milions...or the 25% and make only on the paper that 2 milions...so i said to you....the time will be than they want see the cash in the bank like...the photo of yours employee......wait dont worry not long time.

Edited by oceano, 2008-12-04 19:40:06.

[Soutpeel]

oceano, on 2008-12-04 20:39:20, said:

Soutpeel, on 2008-12-04 19:31:00, said:

oceano, on 2008-12-04 20:25:13, said:

Yes and also 1.600.000 bath in your bank for your non-imm, and the minimum of 3 milion put in one bank from the company for make one work permit

Its actually two million and its 2 million capitalisation, not 2 million cash in the bank...

No...capitalisation means at one moment you must have money and propierty for 2 milions...or the 25% and make only on the paper that 2 milions...so i said to you....the time will be than they want see the cash in the bank like...the photo of yours employee......wait dont worry not long time.

Not trying to be rude or going to start getting off topic even debating this, but its very apparant you do not have a clue about what you are talking about..

[deeveloper]

I was thinking of doing my first ever visa run, due to delays in flight schedules, a change in my work circumstances (i.e currently no work permit - but i was in the process of arranging one from a prospective business that wanted my services).

An extra 30 days would have seen me through.. but 15 days is a joke.

For 30 days I will now NOT be giving my foreign money to:
a) my thai landlord
thai visa run business
c) local thai food stalls
d) thai telecommunications companies
e) laundry services
f) thai water companies
g) thai power companies
h) thai operated taxis (and in turn petrolium companies)
i) my thai girlfriend and her friends ...
j) Thai Alcohol Companies

etc

This will likely kick back on an alredy troubled economy, and for all those that think losing freedoms and privilidges is ok...
you so easily forget what others have had to do to bring you these priviledges in the first instance.

Why no advance notice of the change?

Thanks a lot.

[growe237]

malcolmswaine, on 2008-12-04 16:37:44, said:

There is a need to change the way foreigners can enter the country to work under the premise of a stamp on arrival intended for tourism purposes.

This amendment is to limit workers from neighboring countries getting 90 days, not to make life hard for visa runners.

Well regardless of the intent, the result IS to make life harder for those of us who have planned trips to be around 90 days - that's a lot of visa runs every 15 days this winter. Next year, will obviously get a different kind of visa.

[oceano]

Soutpeel, on 2008-12-04 19:45:32, said:

oceano, on 2008-12-04 20:39:20, said:

Soutpeel, on 2008-12-04 19:31:00, said:

oceano, on 2008-12-04 20:25:13, said:

Yes and also 1.600.000 bath in your bank for your non-imm, and the minimum of 3 milion put in one bank from the company for make one work permit

Its actually two million and its 2 million capitalisation, not 2 million cash in the bank...

No...capitalisation means at one moment you must have money and propierty for 2 milions...or the 25% and make only on the paper that 2 milions...so i said to you....the time will be than they want see the cash in the bank like...the photo of yours employee......wait dont worry not long time.

Not trying to be rude or going to start getting off topic even debating this, but its very apparant you do not have a clue about what you are talking about..

no sorry is my english that is very ....you know the word.
in 6 yrs i open 3 company in thailand so i know very well...i wrong in english...sorry again

[stingray]

oceano, on 2008-12-04 19:25:13, said:

stingray, on 2008-12-04 19:14:36, said:

I think it's the perfect idea to clear out all the cheap charlie tourists and back packers. It's time for them. They anyway not spend money in the country, looking for 150 Baht gesthouses in the Kaosan Road or Soi Sri Bumpen, looking for free f...kc and consume only "Green Stuff". It's time that the immigration making tighter rules now. Good Move!!!

Yes and also 1.600.000 bath in your bank for your non-imm, and the minimum of 3 milion put in one bank from the company for make one work permit....ecc dont worry....the time will be also for you.
Are you racist? clear out all the cheap charlie tourists and back packers!!!!
wow and then? clear all the black people and the muslim from soi3 in sukunvit in bangkok?
Why not the cambodians in pattaya and malaise people from puket!!!???
Come on go buy your next ferrari rich man and live us poor people in the ghetto!!!!!!
Want the address of a good car vendor in pattaya????

Now please stop talk about people like this and please moderator then dont say we are not polite if we answer in ...bad manner to some people.
tks

I'm not a rich guy too. I have to work for my income. but there are many cheap peaple come overhere, no have money at all, or very limited, who don't work, get goverment support from their home country, lazy to work, try to borrow money from other farangs everywhere. I saw this all in my 15 years i living here. And if the goverment will changes to a 1.6 million option for a WP or 3 Million for a company, so what? I don't have the money in cash either. So i will move, not a big deal. I Can living back in Europe or somwhere else why not? See the opposite way: How difficult for a Thai Person to get a Visa to Europe or US? They need show money in their account and income. They need sombody guarrantee for them and sometime they not even qualify for a Visa. Werstern countries have much tighter rules against Thailand. Is this not racism???

[Penkoprod]

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

Edited by Penkoprod, 2008-12-04 19:55:11.

[dudemeister]

Roachiebkk, on 2008-12-04 16:26:09, said:

Seneque, on 2008-12-04 15:15:27, said:

anotheruser, on 2008-12-04 12:46:21, said:

insideleft, on 2008-12-04 06:41:38, said:

Oh, you know, the visa rules in my home country and here in Britian, where I live now, are far more demanding then Thailand's rules.

In Australia, forget just arriving on a plane.

In the UK, unless your from the EU, which makes you a conditional citizen of the UK, you must get a visa. Getting these visas is no simple matter - some of the Thai people I know here have to prove, in part by paying for expensive language courses, that they are here for legitimate purposes.

I'm not sure about the US, but I do know they've tightened up lately.

It saddens and surprises me that I regularly hear from some disgruntled Australian's, Briton's and American's that the Thai's are 'so bad' to us.

It is problematic that the visa laws do cause such inconvenience, but we 'can' get into Thailand, all of us!

Many Thai's cannot get into my country at all, not for any reason.

How welcoming is your country to Thai's?

Are you really benefiting Thailand by being there, as some suggest, or are you self-seeking benefits, but using the 'I'm benefiting Thailand' cliche in misrepresented, but, self-serving cliches?

etr

I am an American that crossed from France to the UK. I get 6 months automatically. I didn't aply for any visa nor am I a resident of the EU. You may have other points but your argument about the UK border policy just isn't true

The argument is true ...
You entered into the EU via France .... once in the EU you can travel anywhere in the EU (shengen visa) ... if you entered to the UK first you would have to present your visa and from there you may go anywhere in the shengen zone.

Hmmm,
Millions of foreigners come to Thailand for legitimate reasons of holiday, weather, beaches, cost of living etc. I've never seen millions of Thais wanting to go the other way, if that was the case I am sure the respective governments would eventually change their visa rules when considering the income it would bring.

Hmmm..... but surely millions of foreigners (not just Thai) visit UK each year (same goes for most other EU countries)

[oceano]

stingray, on 2008-12-04 19:48:02, said:

oceano, on 2008-12-04 19:25:13, said:

stingray, on 2008-12-04 19:14:36, said:

I think it's the perfect idea to clear out all the cheap charlie tourists and back packers. It's time for them. They anyway not spend money in the country, looking for 150 Baht gesthouses in the Kaosan Road or Soi Sri Bumpen, looking for free f...kc and consume only "Green Stuff". It's time that the immigration making tighter rules now. Good Move!!!

Yes and also 1.600.000 bath in your bank for your non-imm, and the minimum of 3 milion put in one bank from the company for make one work permit....ecc dont worry....the time will be also for you.
Are you racist? clear out all the cheap charlie tourists and back packers!!!!
wow and then? clear all the black people and the muslim from soi3 in sukunvit in bangkok?
Why not the cambodians in pattaya and malaise people from puket!!!???
Come on go buy your next ferrari rich man and live us poor people in the ghetto!!!!!!
Want the address of a good car vendor in pattaya????

Now please stop talk about people like this and please moderator then dont say we are not polite if we answer in ...bad manner to some people.
tks

I'm not a rich guy too. I have to work for my income. but there are many cheap peaple come overhere, no have money at all, or very limited, who don't work, get goverment support from their home country, lazy to work, try to borrow money from other farangs everywhere. I saw this all in my 15 years i living here. And if the goverment will changes to a 1.6 million option for a WP or 3 Million for a company, so what? I don't have the money in cash either. So i will move, not a big deal. I Can living back in Europe or somwhere else why not? See the opposite way: How difficult for a Thai Person to get a Visa to Europe or US? They need show money in their account and income. They need sombody guarrantee for them and sometime they not even qualify for a Visa. Werstern countries have much tighter rules against Thailand. Is this not racism???

my country have Lampedusa.....so i know very well...but also to them we give free medical assistance, free food,free house ecc ecc....
try you if someone stolen your pocket and nobody send to you money to try have help from someone here.

Im sure governament help you.
good luck

[wineaux]

bernie66, on 2008-12-04 12:46:45, said:

Wow, I am married but still get a feeling of impending doom from this. How long until they choke me out too? I understand why they do it but we never see a better deal for those of us who stay with legitimate reasons. Married or with children... ect, ect. I only see a shrinking gap between their legitimate and illegitimate children. I hope I will see some grey area that I will be able to fall into someday. As I will never have a pension I am sure I am running on borrowed time.

I have no idea why you have this terrible feeling. You state you are married, presumably to a Thai, therefore you are entitled to a Non Imm O visa based on marriage. You will always be able to get a new O visa based on marriage. IF you can prove 40k month income then you can also apply for an extension of stay. So you have 2 easy options for long stay in Thailand.

What "better deal" are you after do you want them to waive the visa fees or perhaps you want some free coconuts? Impending doom??? 555

[yadetout]

Penkoprod, on 2008-12-04 20:53:31, said:

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

thank you for that ()(")
Rich Man 2 was so funny too ^^

[OriginalPoster]

Penkoprod, on 2008-12-04 20:53:31, said:

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

Though each might have a different definition of it, it's a bit absurd to pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates.

[astral]

likewise, on 2008-12-04 13:12:45, said:

Well, I'd expect them to be a bit more accomodating, I was allowed to buy (30 year lease) house for over 5 million baht, bought a car in my name but still am not allowed to live here legally!
Sounds a bit rascist to me.
So I guess I'll have to get married out of conveniece soon, really a step in teh right direction ofr Thailand this is.

In retrospect you should have bought a condo, not a house, as that approach is now back in favour.

This practice of moving the goal posts every few years does make life very difficult for those
with permanent roots in Thailand.

[wineaux]

deeveloper, on 2008-12-04 19:47:01, said:

I was thinking of doing my first ever visa run, due to delays in flight schedules, a change in my work circumstances (i.e currently no work permit - but i was in the process of arranging one from a prospective business that wanted my services).

An extra 30 days would have seen me through.. but 15 days is a joke.

For 30 days I will now NOT be giving my foreign money to:
a) my thai landlord
thai visa run business
c) local thai food stalls
d) thai telecommunications companies
e) laundry services
f) thai water companies
g) thai power companies
h) thai operated taxis (and in turn petrolium companies)
i) my thai girlfriend and her friends ...
j) Thai Alcohol Companies

etc

This will likely kick back on an alredy troubled economy, and for all those that think losing freedoms and privilidges is ok...
you so easily forget what others have had to do to bring you these priviledges in the first instance.

Why no advance notice of the change?

Thanks a lot.

Surely if you were trying to get a work permit then you would either possess, or be applying for, a Non imm visa so this new legislation wouldn't affect you?

[Jamalbinabdullah]

Several people have said it already, so basically I would like to agree with them that the only real weak point in this new regulation is that it is done without prior notice. Realizing that the police wouldn't give prior notice to a raid and expect to catch anyone, but wouldn't it be a good idea to say in three months, starting the 1. Jan 2009...so get yourself a visa. There must be hundreds (thousands?) of tourists on the long-stay circuit from Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, some of whom will show up at a Thai land border and still be expecting to get 30 days in the LOS. They may have a rude awakening when they only have 15 days to visit the beaches, Bangkok and the north. It is super easy to spend a month in Thailand as most of us know. I guess they will have to bite the bullet and return to a Thai Consulate or Embassy in that country and get a visa or shorten their stay appropriately.

Several years ago, I came to Thailand on a 60-day tourist visa, had it extended for 30 days, went to Vietnam for a month and came back and spent another 30 days(on arrival) in South Thailand. Those four months of travel within Thailand opened my eyes to what a great country it is and I made arrangements to move here and have been living happily here since.

I might point out that my first three years here were on the 30 day visas with lots of time traveling in between and no, I did not lift a finger to do any work during those three years! Even then, 13 years ago, everyone knew that the 30-day border run was a visa loophole, technically illegal to use in lieu of a residency visa, although not enforced, but which could be terminated at any time. Well, the loophole stayed open for at least 10 years, time enough to make plans about what would happen today.
Jamal

[madjbs]

Quote

Though each might have a different definition of it, it's a bit absurd to pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates

Indeed, lets hope that this new rule manages to at least get rid of some of them.

Edited by madjbs, 2008-12-04 20:23:49.

[oceano]

Jamalbinabdullah, on 2008-12-04 20:21:24, said:

Several people have said it already, so basically I would like to agree with them that the only real weak point in this new regulation is that it is done without prior notice. Realizing that the police wouldn't give prior notice to a raid and expect to catch anyone, but wouldn't it be a good idea to say in three months, starting the 1. Jan 2009...so get yourself a visa. There must be hundreds (thousands?) of tourists on the long-stay circuit from Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, some of whom will show up at a Thai land border and still be expecting to get 30 days in the LOS. They may have a rude awakening when they only have 15 days to visit the beaches, Bangkok and the north. It is super easy to spend a month in Thailand as most of us know. I guess they will have to bite the bullet and return to a Thai Consulate or Embassy in that country and get a visa or shorten their stay appropriately.

Several years ago, I came to Thailand on a 60-day tourist visa, had it extended for 30 days, went to Vietnam for a month and came back and spent another 30 days(on arrival) in South Thailand. Those four months of travel within Thailand opened my eyes to what a great country it is and I made arrangements to move here and have been living happily here since.

I might point out that my first three years here were on the 30 day visas with lots of time traveling in between and no, I did not lift a finger to do any work during those three years! Even then, 13 years ago, everyone knew that the 30-day border run was a visa loophole, technically illegal to use in lieu of a residency visa, although not enforced, but which could be terminated at any time. Well, the loophole stayed open for at least 10 years, time enough to make plans about what would happen today.
Jamal

were are you from?

[oceano]

OriginalPoster, on 2008-12-04 20:18:17, said:

Penkoprod, on 2008-12-04 20:53:31, said:

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

Though each might have a different definition of it, it's a bit absurd to pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates.

You are right...i see every day milions of them, degenerates, walk around innocent ladybar and gogobar, try to find all kind of very bad things....
were are you from?

[Kerryd]

deeveloper, on 2008-12-04 19:47:01, said:

I was thinking of doing my first ever visa run, due to delays in flight schedules, a change in my work circumstances (i.e currently no work permit - but i was in the process of arranging one from a prospective business that wanted my services).

An extra 30 days would have seen me through.. but 15 days is a joke.

So what you are saying is that, instead of making a single border run and getting the extra 15 days that would have given you the 30 you needed, you're just going to pack up and leave.

Wow. I didn't realize what a deal breaker that would be.

[liddall]

Hi George, just wondered if you knew the status for foreigners who live and work in malaysia..? i have my business in malaysia and a holiday house in phuket, i generally drive up and stay for 3 weeks every 2 -3 months.. as a resident in malaysia am i entitled to the 30 day visa ? if not do you know how i can get around this ? cos 15 days only visa will seriously effect me .. many thanks..

also tried to reply 3 times and it kept saying you are not allowed to post URL !!! it was actually the one for thaivisa.com for the reply.. does anyone else hhave this problem?

[OriginalPoster]

oceano, on 2008-12-04 21:47:36, said:

OriginalPoster, on 2008-12-04 20:18:17, said:

Penkoprod, on 2008-12-04 20:53:31, said:

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

Though each might have a different definition of it, it's a bit absurd to pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates.

You are right...i see every day milions of them, degenerates, walk around innocent ladybar and gogobar, try to find all kind of very bad things....
were are you from?

Don't worry, nobody wants to shut down Pattaya.

Edited by OriginalPoster, 2008-12-04 20:54:38.

[Jingthing]

There is a pool of people (under 50) from western countries who have a pile of money to spend but are going to wait out the global economic downturn by traveling for a few years. Thailand just became even more unattractive to them. Thailand is acting like a prima donna when it would be more rational to be laying out a red carpet.

[soidoggy]

I got a good idea, I live in Singapore, used to drive to Thailand. It's kind of far, the 30 days used to be convenient, now it is not. Guess I'll be flying to Cambodia now!

[Jamalbinabdullah]

oceano, on 2008-12-04 14:42:39, said:

Jamalbinabdullah, on 2008-12-04 20:21:24, said:

Several people have said it already, so basically I would like to agree with them that the only real weak point in this new regulation is that it is done without prior notice. Realizing that the police wouldn't give prior notice to a raid and expect to catch anyone, but wouldn't it be a good idea to say in three months, starting the 1. Jan 2009...so get yourself a visa. There must be hundreds (thousands?) of tourists on the long-stay circuit from Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, some of whom will show up at a Thai land border and still be expecting to get 30 days in the LOS. They may have a rude awakening when they only have 15 days to visit the beaches, Bangkok and the north. It is super easy to spend a month in Thailand as most of us know. I guess they will have to bite the bullet and return to a Thai Consulate or Embassy in that country and get a visa or shorten their stay appropriately.

Several years ago, I came to Thailand on a 60-day tourist visa, had it extended for 30 days, went to Vietnam for a month and came back and spent another 30 days(on arrival) in South Thailand. Those four months of travel within Thailand opened my eyes to what a great country it is and I made arrangements to move here and have been living happily here since.

I might point out that my first three years here were on the 30 day visas with lots of time traveling in between and no, I did not lift a finger to do any work during those three years! Even then, 13 years ago, everyone knew that the 30-day border run was a visa loophole, technically illegal to use in lieu of a residency visa, although not enforced, but which could be terminated at any time. Well, the loophole stayed open for at least 10 years, time enough to make plans about what would happen today.
Jamal

were are you from?

The USA and I have been living abroad for 30 years.

[Penkoprod]

OriginalPoster, on 2008-12-04 14:18:17, said:

Penkoprod, on 2008-12-04 20:53:31, said:

pattayabuggy, on 2008-12-04 13:15:56, said:

May I ask, what is the definition of a "Riff Raff Ferang"? It is a working class person or what? You people obviously think very highly of your own value in the world, just like
our hosts!

You will NEVER get a proper answer from them. All they do is pop their heads up, chant the same thing and then crawl back into their holes.
They remind me of THIS character:



Penkoprod

Though each might have a different definition of it, it's a bit absurd to pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates.

I dont think anyone is trying to "pretend that Thailand doesn't attract a lot of degenerates"
It sure has its fair share of them, but its what demographic they come from thats what people are disagreeing on
The "hate brigade" seem to be saying its the long term stayers trying to duck and dive their way in life with little money that are not flavour of the month this month, when, in my long and varied "career" in Thailand, its the three week millionares that cause most of the problems leading to the knee-jerk reaction seen here today by the Thai authorities.

Penkoprod