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Posted 2008-12-04 20:09:50
 robee, on 2008-12-04 20:06:39, said:
Kerryd, on 2008-12-04 19:45:19, said: An important change (for some) to the Retirement Visa requirements as well.
The 800,000 baht only has to be in the account for 60 days for the first year (but 90 days for subsequent years if I read this right):
(4) Account deposit with a bank in Thailand of not less than 800,000 Baht as shown in the bank account for the past 3 months at the filing date of the application. For the first year, the applicant should have that amount in his bank account for not less than 60 days.
i don't see the age requirement for retirement visa, did i miss it?
You mist it.
(2) The applicant is 50 years of age or over;
Posted 2008-12-04 20:10:02
As earlier today on the website of:
Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thailand
TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION
- According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002), 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005), passport holders from 40 countries and 1 special administrative region – Hong Kong SAR – are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of not exceeding 30 days on each visit. Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption category may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry.
- Please note that Tourist Visa Exemption does not apply to foreigners holding Travel Document for Aliens issued by these 40 countries.
- Foreigners entering Thailand under the Tourist Visa Exemption category must possess adequate finances for the duration of stay in Thailand (i.e., cash 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family).
http://www.mfa.go.th...482.php?id=2490
Can this RTP778_2551.pdf document be downloaded from http://www.mfa.go.th?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:14:33
Jingthing, on 2008-12-04 22:09:23, said: Quote Please read my post again, and feel free to declare yours biggrin.gif
Green tea. The O-A (from home countries) is often confused with people on retirement extensions who never got an O-A and started with a regular O.
No confusion here.
If you look at my post again
Quote After you get a non O-A in your home country, if you play your cards right there is no need to apply for an extension until just before the end of the second year of your O-A.
At this time, previously you needed 800k in a Thai bank for 3 months prior to the extension application (or pension, or combination)
the reference to "at this time" clearly refers to an application for extension just before the end of the second year.
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Posted 2008-12-04 20:14:51
I am getting divorced the kids live with me what can i do or have to show to stay
Posted 2008-12-04 20:15:43
As not married, and not yet 50 years of age, I have done my time here for 9 months at the time.
Tourist visa with extension, then a couple of visits to the neighbour countries, for 90 days more each time, to Malaysia and Cambodia(Phnom Phen).
Will there be any changes here?
I understand (I think?) that tourist visas can no longer be of 60 days, 30 days from now on, and the total stay not exceed 90 days? Is this over a period of 180 days?
And are there new rules for going by the local borders now, 15 days? For example the visaruns to Ban Laem?
Anyone?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:16:17
NarcissusRIP, on 2008-12-04 20:10:02, said: As earlier today on the website of:
Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thailand
TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION
- According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002), 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005), passport holders from 40 countries and 1 special administrative region – Hong Kong SAR – are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of not exceeding 30 days on each visit. Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption category may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry.
- Please note that Tourist Visa Exemption does not apply to foreigners holding Travel Document for Aliens issued by these 40 countries.
- Foreigners entering Thailand under the Tourist Visa Exemption category must possess adequate finances for the duration of stay in Thailand (i.e., cash 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family).
http://www.mfa.go.th...482.php?id=2490
Can this RTP778_2551.pdf document be downloaded from http://www.mfa.go.th?
The Thai MFA is not up to date yet. The Thai version I believe can be downloaded from the immigration police website. www.immigration.go.th under notice I believe.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:16:57
So if i understand well, that mean a work permit can not be obtained from a new company under 2 years old?
2.1 In the case of business such as employment with a company or partnership, etc.: Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.
(4) The business concerned must have duly submitted its financial statement as at the end of the two fiscal years and certified by an auditor or tax auditor, showing a sound financial condition and an on-going active business as attached order (exhibit 
So in the case I create a new company, it s impossible to get any work permit before 2 years???
Right?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:17:34
Well, the financial requirements for the one year permission to stay based on Thai Wife have been increased.
Whereas according to the old rules
"(6) In case of the applicant who is
married to a Thai wife, one of them
or both of them need to have the
total annual income that is
averaged out not less than 40,000
Baht per month. "
it is now:
"(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady , the husband who is an
alien must have an average annual income of not less than
40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank
of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses
within a year. "
I personally know Europeans that are married to a Thai wife and receive pensions of around 800 Euros and do not have any bigger savings.
They were only eligble for the extension to stay because their Thai wifes had jobs, that generated the money to fill the gap.
Well at least for this special situation there is also a new provision to handle the emerging problems:
"If an alien who has entered Thailand before this order came into force and has been
continuously granted temporary stay as clause 2.18(6), in case the marriage with Thai lady, is
found to lack the qualifications as prescribed in this order, the Commissioner of the
Immigration Bureau or competent official shall consider and decide on the particular case
based on the prevailing reasons and circumstances within 1 year from the effective date
hereof. "
Maybe they will have a look whether the farang has already build a house in Isaan.
But in general: Thailand more and more looses interest in the average situated Farang husband of Thai wife.
P.S. Could someone tell the translators about the widely spread connotations people have with "Thai Lady" instead of "Thai Wfe", not to mention the Thai Ladyboy.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:17:55
NarcissusRIP, on 2008-12-04 20:10:02, said: As earlier today on the website of:
Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thailand
TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION
- According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002), 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005), passport holders from 40 countries and 1 special administrative region – Hong Kong SAR – are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period of not exceeding 30 days on each visit. Foreigners who enter the Kingdom under the Tourist Visa Exemption category may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry.
- Please note that Tourist Visa Exemption does not apply to foreigners holding Travel Document for Aliens issued by these 40 countries.
- Foreigners entering Thailand under the Tourist Visa Exemption category must possess adequate finances for the duration of stay in Thailand (i.e., cash 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family).
http://www.mfa.go.th...482.php?id=2490
Can this RTP778_2551.pdf document be downloaded from http://www.mfa.go.th?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:18:21
NarcissusRIP, on 2008-12-04 20:10:02, said:
No not from the Ministry of Forign Affairs website because it is an immigration document.
Only the Thai version is available on the immigration website.
http://www.immigration.go.th
Posted 2008-12-04 20:20:38
waanjai-TV, on 2008-12-04 20:17:34, said: Well, the financial requirements for the one year permission to stay based on Thai Wife have been increased.
Whereas according to the old rules
"(6) In case of the applicant who is
married to a Thai wife, one of them
or both of them need to have the
total annual income that is
averaged out not less than 40,000
Baht per month. "
it is now:
"(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady , the husband who is an
alien must have an average annual income of not less than
40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank
of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses
within a year. "
I personally know Europeans that are married to a Thai wife and receive pensions of around 800 Euros and do not have any bigger savings.
They were only eligble for the extension to stay because their Thai wifes had jobs, that generated the money to fill the gap.
Well at least for this special situation there is also a new provision to handle the emerging problems:
"If an alien who has entered Thailand before this order came into force and has been
continuously granted temporary stay as clause 2.18(6), in case the marriage with Thai lady, is
found to lack the qualifications as prescribed in this order, the Commissioner of the
Immigration Bureau or competent official shall consider and decide on the particular case
based on the prevailing reasons and circumstances within 1 year from the effective date
hereof. "
Maybe they will have a look whether the farang has already build a house in Isaan.
But in general: Thailand more and more looses interest in the average situated Farang husband of Thai wife.
P.S. Could someone tell the translators about the widely spread connotations people have with "Thai Lady" instead of "Thai Wfe", not to mention the Thai Ladyboy.
In my opinion this is a big improvement for Men with Thai Wives.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:21:51
opticpro, on 2008-12-04 20:14:51, said: I am getting divorced the kids live with me what can i do or have to show to stay
Look at the new order 2.18.
You will need to show an income of 40,000 a month or a bank account of 400,000. In the past these extentions were hard to get.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:22:12
Quote Parents of a Thai Child are eligible for a 12 month extension with 400,000 in the bank or 40,000 Monthly income. No mention of having to be 50 years old.
That's interesting. When i went to the Thai Embassy in Singapore a couple of years ago, with birth certificates etc they blankly refused to give me a non-imm visa. They would only give me a standard 30 day tourist visa if I remember. Does this ruling mean things will be different now?
In addition with regards the 40,000 a month, is that taken as an average over the year? I mean if say your income is over a million baht for the year, but you've had a few months which come in under the 40,000 is that still applicable?
RLM
Posted 2008-12-04 20:23:18
This is excellent news for all retirees over 60. From now on they only need 200 000 baht in save account or 20 000 Baht income.
This especially good news for the 60+ who their wives is deceased or had are divorced.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:23:38
Mario2008, on 2008-12-04 21:09:50, said: robee, on 2008-12-04 20:06:39, said: Kerryd, on 2008-12-04 19:45:19, said: An important change (for some) to the Retirement Visa requirements as well.
The 800,000 baht only has to be in the account for 60 days for the first year (but 90 days for subsequent years if I read this right):
(4) Account deposit with a bank in Thailand of not less than 800,000 Baht as shown in the bank account for the past 3 months at the filing date of the application. For the first year, the applicant should have that amount in his bank account for not less than 60 days.
i don't see the age requirement for retirement visa, did i miss it?
You mist it.
(2) The applicant is 50 years of age or over;
thanks, i missed it as well.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:25:54
waanjai-TV, on 2008-12-04 20:17:34, said: Well, the financial requirements for the one year permission to stay based on Thai Wife have been increased.
Whereas according to the old rules
"(6) In case of the applicant who is
married to a Thai wife, one of them
or both of them need to have the
total annual income that is
averaged out not less than 40,000
Baht per month. "
it is now:
"(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady , the husband who is an
alien must have an average annual income of not less than
40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank
of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses
within a year. "
I personally know Europeans that are married to a Thai wife and receive pensions of around 800 Euros and do not have any bigger savings.
They were only eligble for the extension to stay because their Thai wifes had jobs, that generated the money to fill the gap.
Well at least for this special situation there is also a new provision to handle the emerging problems:
"If an alien who has entered Thailand before this order came into force and has been
continuously granted temporary stay as clause 2.18(6), in case the marriage with Thai lady, is
found to lack the qualifications as prescribed in this order, the Commissioner of the
Immigration Bureau or competent official shall consider and decide on the particular case
based on the prevailing reasons and circumstances within 1 year from the effective date
hereof. "
Maybe they will have a look whether the farang has already build a house in Isaan.
But in general: Thailand more and more looses interest in the average situated Farang husband of Thai wife.
P.S. Could someone tell the translators about the widely spread connotations people have with "Thai Lady" instead of "Thai Wfe", not to mention the Thai Ladyboy.
If the Thai wife would sue the government she will win. There is a famous human rights case about the same situation were husbands were treaded more favourable then wifes with a foreign spouse.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:27:16
henryalleman, on 2008-12-04 20:23:18, said: This is excellent news for all retirees over 60. From now on they only need 200 000 baht in save account or 20 000 Baht income.
It has always been like this.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:28:13
henryalleman, on 2008-12-04 20:23:18, said: This is excellent news for all retirees over 60. From now on they only need 200 000 baht in save account or 20 000 Baht income.
This especially good news for the 60+ who their wives is deceased or had are divorced.
Sorry, you read it wrong. This option is only available to people who were already under an extension of stay based on retirement before Oct. 21 1998.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:29:22
RLM2008, on 2008-12-04 20:22:12, said: In addition with regards the 40,000 a month, is that taken as an average over the year? I mean if say your income is over a million baht for the year, but you've had a few months which come in under the 40,000 is that still applicable?
RLM
Yes it is.
Posted 2008-12-04 20:30:25
Lite Beer, on 2008-12-04 22:27:16, said: henryalleman, on 2008-12-04 20:23:18, said: This is excellent news for all retirees over 60. From now on they only need 200 000 baht in save account or 20 000 Baht income.
It has always been like this.
Do they need to have been grandfathered?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:31:37
Quote 2.18 - (4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child
of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married,
must be living with the family, and must be less than
20 years of age; or
2.18 - (5) In the case of a parent, one of the parents must
have an average annual income of not less than 40,000
baht per month or a money deposit of not less than
400,000 baht for expenses within a year.
I am an ALIEN PARENT living with a THAI CHILD. Even after three years of the old similar law
I still can't figure out whether (4) or (5) applies to me. If you were an alien taking care
of an aging Thai mother neither (4) nor (5) would make sense, but for me
both make sense even though they seem, gramattically, to be alternatives.
Offhand, anyone know the answer to this puzzle?
Posted 2008-12-04 20:33:19
So if i understand well, that mean a work permit can not be obtained from a new company less than 2 years old?
I copy paste:
2.1 In the case of business such as employment with a company or partnership, etc.: Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.
(4) The business concerned must have duly submitted its financial statement as at the end of the two fiscal years and certified by an auditor or tax auditor, showing a sound financial condition and an on-going active business as attached order (exhibit b
So in the case of a new company, this one can NOT have an alien as a worker in its company? So, it s impossible to get any work permit before 2 years???
Somebody have the exhibit b?
Thanks to answer me
Posted 2008-12-04 20:35:03
AndyCanfield, on 2008-12-04 20:31:37, said: Quote 2.18 - (4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child
of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married,
must be living with the family, and must be less than
20 years of age; or
2.18 - (5) In the case of a parent, one of the parents must
have an average annual income of not less than 40,000
baht per month or a money deposit of not less than
400,000 baht for expenses within a year.
I am an ALIEN PARENT living with a THAI CHILD. Even after three years of the old similar law
I still can't figure out whether (4) or (5) applies to me. If you were an alien taking care
of an aging Thai mother neither (4) nor (5) would make sense, but for me
both make sense even though they seem, gramattically, to be alternatives.
Offhand, anyone know the answer to this puzzle?
In your case 2.18 (5)
Posted 2008-12-04 20:36:03
thanks Issaan Law for the translation, looks like it may be a bit easier for us married to thai ladies, interesting on the 15 day visa run now, that will effect some expats surviving on visa runs.
thanks again
jimmyyy
Posted 2008-12-04 20:39:01
henryalleman, on 2008-12-04 20:23:18, said: This is excellent news for all retirees over 60. From now on they only need 200 000 baht in save account or 20 000 Baht income.
This especially good news for the 60+ who their wives is deceased or had are divorced.
Not quite. Got to read the whole thing !
(6) For an alien who entered Thailand before October 21,
1998 and continuously allowed to stay in the Kingdom as a
retiree, the following shall apply:
(a) He/she must be 60 years of age or over and has regular
income. His/her bank account deposit shall not be less than Baht 200,000 a year and evidence of the account deposit for the
previous 3 months must be shown; or he/she has a monthly income of not less than Baht 20,000.
( b ) If he/she is under 60 years of age but not less than 55,
the alien shall have regular income with a bank account deposit of not less than Baht 500,000 a year and evidence of the account deposit for the previous 3 months must be shown, or he/she has a monthly income of not less than 50,000 baht
So unless you've already been here 10+ years continuously, this part does not apply.
Edited by Kerryd, 2008-12-04 20:41:13.
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