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Posted 2009-05-10 13:08:12
 hammered, on 2009-05-10 12:57:03, said:
The Dems dont belong to the military who are closer to more traditonal politcans. The Dems and military have never had very good relations historically. The mafia can be found in all sides in parliament. They are not a huge omnipotent force but a set of unaligned local groups which side with whoever suits them locally. Even some red leaders can be described as such. The PAD are quite critcal of the Dems right now especially Suthep who is certainly no yellow.
Right now the military and PAD could be seen as acquiescing to a Dem led government as the best option for them. It is simplistic to use pure red propoganda when analysing the players in this game. There are alliances which change all the time.That is how this government was formed and how the preceding ones were formed and how future ones were formed. It is even how TRT was initially formed. This is about power and there are many players but no totally dominant one.
So true. And right now, the leaders of the "Don't Hurt Thailand" movement can also be described as ones of the usual players who, in the past, have sided with everyone at different times and have been waiting for their turn of power as well.
Posted 2009-05-10 15:27:12
ThNiner, on 2009-05-10 13:52:14, said: dbrenn, on 2009-05-10 12:46:12, said: chrislarsson, on 2009-05-10 13:20:01, said: hammered, on 2009-05-10 10:40:26, said: I think it is quite likely the Dems wont win the next election although who knows what parties and alliances will be around by then.
By the way, the yellows and Dems are not really the same thing although there s some overlap.
There are not only differences. It's also quite obvious that PAD see themselves as being above the Democrats.
Correct. The Dems belong to the army, the PAD and the mafia. And there are no corrupt elements there, as we all know 
  I'm really lost for words that would be fit to describe you guys. With the lack of a single shred of evidence, you have to extrapolate all the conspiracy theries avaialble to make a case that yeah may Abhisit might be possibly corrupt. Yet at the same time, you can flatly deny all the crimes and corruption Thaksin has committed even with all the evidence, pending cases stacked against him. You guys are really something else.
You are lost for words because your argument has no validity.
Depending on the support of a notoriously corrupt, banned, mafia Godfather to get his job makes Abhisit nothing more than a puppet of corruption. To try to whitewash him as clean, when he has corrupt paymasters, doesn't make sense at all.
If you depend on a criminal for your position, that makes you one too.
Abhisit should do the right thing, and get humself elected if he wants to be taken seriously as a politician in his own right. Why does he have such a problem with that?
Edited by dbrenn, 2009-05-10 15:34:49.
Posted 2009-05-10 15:33:07
hammered, on 2009-05-10 13:57:03, said: dbrenn, on 2009-05-10 12:46:12, said: chrislarsson, on 2009-05-10 13:20:01, said: hammered, on 2009-05-10 10:40:26, said: I think it is quite likely the Dems wont win the next election although who knows what parties and alliances will be around by then.
By the way, the yellows and Dems are not really the same thing although there s some overlap.
There are not only differences. It's also quite obvious that PAD see themselves as being above the Democrats.
Correct. The Dems belong to the army, the PAD and the mafia. And there are no corrupt elements there, as we all know
The Dems dont belong to the military who are closer to more traditonal politcans. The Dems and military have never had very good relations historically. The mafia can be found in all sides in parliament. They are not a huge omnipotent force but a set of unaligned local groups which side with whoever suits them locally. Even some red leaders can be described as such. The PAD are quite critcal of the Dems right now especially Suthep who is certainly no yellow.
Right now the military and PAD could be seen as acquiescing to a Dem led government as the best option for them. It is simplistic to use pure red propoganda when analysing the players in this game. There are alliances which change all the time.That is how this government was formed and how the preceding ones were formed and how future ones were formed. It is even how TRT was initially formed. This is about power and there are many players but no totally dominant one.
Whether or not the Dems and the military get on is beside the point. The fact remains that they are very much aligned in the toppling of a democratically elected civilian government. I agree that the mafia is to be found everywhere. What I can't accept is the cynical way in which the Dems accept the help of the mafia, and then get on an anti-corruption soapbox and drive an agenda based on utter hypocrisy.
Posted 2009-05-10 16:14:16
dbrenn, on 2009-05-10 12:46:12, said: chrislarsson, on 2009-05-10 13:20:01, said: hammered, on 2009-05-10 10:40:26, said: I think it is quite likely the Dems wont win the next election although who knows what parties and alliances will be around by then.
By the way, the yellows and Dems are not really the same thing although there s some overlap.
There are not only differences. It's also quite obvious that PAD see themselves as being above the Democrats.
Correct. The Dems belong to the army, the PAD and the mafia. And there are no corrupt elements there, as we all know
Your posts become funnier by the day. OK, prove to me that the Dem's belong to the army, PAD and the mafia. If you are going to make such a dumb comment, then back it up. Can you?
Posted 2009-05-10 16:16:31
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Whether or not the Dems and the military get on is beside the point. The fact remains that they are very much aligned in the toppling of a democratically elected civilian government. I agree that the mafia is to be found everywhere. What I can't accept is the cynical way in which the Dems accept the help of the mafia, and then get on an anti-corruption soapbox and drive an agenda based on utter hypocrisy.
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Happens the world over when a new government with little time in office comes in.They have bno track record of recent corruptuion whereas a long temr government does. The new lot use it well. Same as when tbhe tories fell in the UK and Labour came in.Now happening with Brown with the roles reversed there. Look at what Cheney and Haliburton are accused of and yet the Dems in the US arentclean eiother. Real politik. Thats why so many people worlwide ate politicos. Thailand is the same there.
Posted 2009-05-10 17:19:59
Old Man River, on 2009-05-10 16:14:16, said: dbrenn, on 2009-05-10 12:46:12, said: chrislarsson, on 2009-05-10 13:20:01, said: hammered, on 2009-05-10 10:40:26, said: I think it is quite likely the Dems wont win the next election although who knows what parties and alliances will be around by then.
By the way, the yellows and Dems are not really the same thing although there s some overlap.
There are not only differences. It's also quite obvious that PAD see themselves as being above the Democrats.
Correct. The Dems belong to the army, the PAD and the mafia. And there are no corrupt elements there, as we all know
Your posts become funnier by the day. OK, prove to me that the Dem's belong to the army, PAD and the mafia. If you are going to make such a dumb comment, then back it up. Can you?
He can't and he won't.
Posted 2009-05-10 22:14:48
Old Man River, on 2009-05-10 16:14:16, said: Your posts become funnier by the day. OK, prove to me that the Dem's belong to the army, PAD and the mafia. If you are going to make such a dumb comment, then back it up. Can you?
Be careful, you never know if these reds will come back to claim to have a video clip of Abhisit making it out with Anupong and Sondhi. They are masters of seeing the world through "red-colored glasses"
Posted 2009-05-11 21:23:08
I do find it rather worrying that people believe Thaksin invented corruption in Thailand.
Oh those rose tinted glasses.
Posted 2009-05-11 23:56:07
Thai at Heart, on 2009-05-11 21:23:08, said: I do find it rather worrying that people believe Thaksin invented corruption in Thailand.
Has anyone ever posted that?
Posted 2009-05-12 01:55:23
sriracha john, on 2009-05-11 23:56:07, said: Thai at Heart, on 2009-05-11 21:23:08, said: I do find it rather worrying that people believe Thaksin invented corruption in Thailand.
Has anyone ever posted that?
Ofcourse not, but anything to cast doubt and win non-directed straw man arguments to try to win some, imaginary, points.
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