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[dave_boo]

For those interested, PM me and I'll shoot you a service manual of the carb'd Kawasaki Ninja 250.  I understand that there's some differences, but considering that the majority of us aren't set up to do fuel injection system work it really shouldn't matter.

[engrin]

I'm part of the Ninja club, wahoo! Fun bike, fast, so light and easy to control.

Where would you guys recoemmend I get the Area P from and also what Benzyne number would you recommend. I'm running 95 now. (sorry but hard to search TV for the info required!)

Also, how often should I change oil/filter.

I bought  the bike second hand with 3000km on odo.

[dave_boo]

engrin, on 2009-08-25 08:20:23, said:

I'm part of the Ninja club, wahoo! Fun bike, fast, so light and easy to control.

Where would you guys recoemmend I get the Area P from and also what Benzyne number would you recommend. I'm running 95 now. (sorry but hard to search TV for the info required!)

Also, how often should I change oil/filter.

I bought the bike second hand with 3000km on odo.

Welcome to the club.

I haven't found anything on the fuel grade to be used; I simply use Shell 92.  Area-P I believe can be obtained overseas; there is a shop that offers various exhaust (and other bits and bobs) that is on the west side of Bangkok.  Here's a thread on the local (Thai only I'm afraid--but pics and prices come through) Ninja board that describes his offerings.

Oil is changed yearly or at 1 000, 12 0000, 24 000, 36 000, and 48 000 km.  This comes from the service manual:

Recommended Engine Oil

Type: API SE, SF or SG

API SH, SJ or SL with JASO MA

Viscosity: SAE 10W - 40

Capacity: 1.3 L (1.4 US qt) (When filter is not removed)

1.6 L (1.7 US qt) (When filter is removed)

That seems like an excessive amount of time between changes; more frequent changes will not hurt anything.

[JonnyF]

I have the Area P quiet core carbon exhaust and got it from areapnolimits.com

The exhaust is great, noticeable performance gain and sounds great without sounding over the top. Import duty was about 5000 baht because Area P refused to mark it as a gift.

Dave, I'm pretty sure there's a service at 4000 in addition to the ones you mentioned i.e. 1k, 4k 12k and then every 8k after that. Mine was done at 4k in any case. I'm sending it for it's 3rd service next week at 11k because I agree that 8k seems quite a lot considering the high revving nature of the engine.

Kawasaki told me to use 91 so that's what I've been using with no issues.

[NinjaGladiator]

Not sure if I'm allowed to drop an ad in here but I will get it on the classified as well.

I'm selling my 250r 7,800km of good memories and 3 oil changes later.  Read back over my posts to get some idea of it's history. Inc. a faultless 800km round-trip to last years CMBW, with her-in-doors and all the luggage that goes with it, it took the mountain ranges without a struggle.

I'd like around the 105k for her (149k brand new) and it's her birthday tomorrow (1yr old)

Call me on 0845 125 025, the bike is reg'd in Udon Thani with a No.1 plate.

...Looks like I can't attach pics - something about being deemed pornographic by RT police.

Getting more like China every day.

If you want pics emailed get in touch

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[engrin]

Is there an alternative to the Area-p that is cheaper and works just as well?

Also, anyone know where to get cheaper engine guards? They are charging 4,000 at Kawa in Pattaya.

[dave_boo]

JonnyF, on 2009-08-25 09:58:52, said:

I have the Area P quiet core carbon exhaust and got it from areapnolimits.com

The exhaust is great, noticeable performance gain and sounds great without sounding over the top. Import duty was about 5000 baht because Area P refused to mark it as a gift.

Dave, I'm pretty sure there's a service at 4000 in addition to the ones you mentioned i.e. 1k, 4k 12k and then every 8k after that. Mine was done at 4k in any case. I'm sending it for it's 3rd service next week at 11k because I agree that 8k seems quite a lot considering the high revving nature of the engine.

Kawasaki told me to use 91 so that's what I've been using with no issues.

Two items; first I also think that's a ridiculous amount of time between oil changes--however that's what the service manual calls for.  Second, I meant benzine 91 not 92.

NinjaGladiator, on 2009-08-25 11:12:29, said:

Not sure if I'm allowed to drop an ad in here but I will get it on the classified as well.

I'm selling my 250r 7,800km of good memories and 3 oil changes later. Read back over my posts to get some idea of it's history. Inc. a faultless 800km round-trip to last years CMBW, with her-in-doors and all the luggage that goes with it, it took the mountain ranges without a struggle.

I'd like around the 105k for her (149k brand new) and it's her birthday tomorrow (1yr old)

Call me on 0845 125 025, the bike is reg'd in Udon Thani with a No.1 plate.

...Looks like I can't attach pics - something about being deemed pornographic by RT police.

Getting more like China every day.

If you want pics emailed get in touch

Sad to see another Ninja leaving our group, but that's a hel_l of a price and will make someone happy.

engrin, on 2009-08-25 11:23:10, said:

Is there an alternative to the Area-p that is cheaper and works just as well?

Also, anyone know where to get cheaper engine guards? They are charging 4,000 at Kawa in Pattaya.

Faddy is offering an Area-P knock off for 250 USD.

[thaicbr]

If you look on the ninja250 thailand forum you will find a DBS system for 7,000b

here ya go. http://www.ninja250t...hp?topic=2249.0

[Jake1]

Has anyone been able to get a discount at all on their new 250r purchases? or free gifts? I'm thinking about picking one up next month and I'd like to know if I'm able to negotiate at all.

I still may take the kiniyow route and purchase a 150 though  

[BigBikeBKK]

Jake1, on 2009-08-25 17:41:37, said:

Has anyone been able to get a discount at all on their new 250r purchases? or free gifts? I'm thinking about picking one up next month and I'd like to know if I'm able to negotiate at all.

I heard about a guy who recently bought 4 ER6n's and got a FREE Kawasaki Ball Point Pen!

[thaicbr]

Jake. if you intend doing some out of town riding(touring) then get the Kawasaki Ninja 250 (150,000). if on the other hand most of your riding is in town. Then look at the Honda Cbr150(69,000) or the Tiger 250 rs(72,000).

I have ridden all of the mentioned bikes and they are all fine bikes. The Cbr150 is a nimble, light bike with a sporty feel but is does need to be revved a bit to keep moving.
The Tiger 250 is pretty much the same but a little more touring feel, more long legged with a lot more midrange power than the Cbr (not so many gear changes). Some people will tell you that Tigers build quality is no good. Look for yourself and decide. I think it is ok, the Honda may be slightly better but look for yourself.
The Ninja has a very sporty feel(some people put on bar lifters)Likes to be revved and has a higher top speed than the other 2 bikes. is it worth twice as much possibly, it depends on how you ride and what you want it to do.
Hope this helps. Allan

[thaicbr]

And then he forgot the pen and left it behind

[Jake1]

Thanks. I know the differences I'm just trying to make the smart purchase. I do appreciate the input though. I'd be using the bike to get around the city and to drive to Pattaya once or twice a month. Maybe some side trips but I have nothing planned.

I have my sights set on a 250R Special Edition but I'm trying to find ways to be cheap and finding transportation for 85k less is one option on the table. I know I'll also be changing the 250s exhaust and a few other things but I'd probably leave the CBR alone so In reality I'll probably be spending 110k more on the 250r.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick up a 250 SE though..the CBR looks like cheap transportation, the 250 looks like fun.

[thaicbr]

'I'm pretty sure I'm going to pick up a 250 SE though..the CBR looks like cheap transportation,  the 250 is fun"

Well said but i changed it slightly for ya. Have fun

[monkeyofdoom]

I'm looking to add a full exhaust system to my ninja, and the most popular ones seem to be Two Bros and Yoshimura. Any advice on which one to choose, and where to get it? Anyone know of a second hand one up for sale? Can it be carried in by air, or is it too big to take on a plane or in a suitcase?

[engrin]

Thanks for the tips on the full exhaust system. Whats is  the difference between the DBS and the AreaP?

[thaicbr]

Engrin. "Whats is the difference between the DBS and the AreaP?"

about 12,000baht . I think that for the 250 they will be similar in performance. It has been said that the AreaP was copied by some company in Thailand.............ummmmmmmm.

The AreaP is possibly better made. But not sure if over 12,000baht better made.

[dave_boo]

thaicbr, on 2009-08-26 04:32:34, said:

Engrin. "Whats is the difference between the DBS and the AreaP?"

about 12,000baht . I think that for the 250 they will be similar in performance. It has been said that the AreaP was copied by some company in Thailand.............ummmmmmmm.

The AreaP is possibly better made. But not sure if over 12,000baht better made.

You decide if they copied it.  First is from Area-P's website; second is from Faddy's.....

[thaicbr]

Personally. I would save the money and go for the DBS. But i am a cheap charley.

[CanInBKK]

Thanks to dave_boo for the service manual, now I'm going to give the oil a change at home(went to Rama 9 Kawa and apparently the service shop is only open weekdays).  I've changed the oil on various cars and I'm assuming the Ninja is equally straightforward.  My question are now:

1) What type of oil and filter do you guys recommend?

2) Where can I get them?  

Thanks.

[dave_boo]

CanInBKK, on 2009-08-29 17:52:53, said:

Thanks to dave_boo for the service manual, now I'm going to give the oil a change at home(went to Rama 9 Kawa and apparently the service shop is only open weekdays). I've changed the oil on various cars and I'm assuming the Ninja is equally straightforward. My question are now:

1) What type of oil and filter do you guys recommend?

2) Where can I get them?

Thanks.

Kawasaki recommends

Viscosity: SAE 10W - 40

Capacity: 1.3 L (1.4 US qt) (When filter is not removed)

1.6 L (1.7 US qt) (When filter is removed)

I've been letting the dealership take care of service, but if I was going to change it myself I'd use Shell partially synthetic because that's what I've always used.  Filters can be obtained from Kawasaki.

[danielmoore2]

BigBikeBKK, on 2009-01-02 17:10:42, said:

dave_boo, on 2009-01-02 14:54:18, said:

expatgaz, on 2009-01-02 08:49:58, said:

90 MPH sounds slow for a 250 ???
EPG.

That's an actual 90 MPH.  Indicated was ~99.  And as I pointed out, there was still a little bit of breathing room; I ran out of space to keep going faster.  And if you were to look over other 250s that's about what's in line with a stocker.  

However, at 75 or 90 or 100 there's not going to be much difference if someone hits you!

I've cruised BKK-CNX-BKK on the little Ninja a couple of times now and with the throttle wide open the Ninjette scoots along at a respectable 170km/hr indicated. I understand the speedo is not terribly accurate however. With an aftermarket pipe and re-gearing I've read that the Ninja 250R can do 200km/hr or more.

Anyone out there know how i can get my "Indonesian" ninja 250r 2009 to exceed 140kh/hr and have a bit more grunt through the traffic, i was so disappointed with the performance when i first got it cuz i could not test drive it at the time. i put a R9 racing exhaust on it and it did have some improvement and plus it dose not sound like a sewing machine!! i am willing to spend some cash on it to get it up to speed, but i cant find anything except a Keihin FCR31 racing carb kit. not sure how much this would improve my slug ??  

[dave_boo]

danielmoore2, on 2009-08-31 02:46:33, said:

Anyone out there know how i can get my "Indonesian" ninja 250r 2009 to exceed 140kh/hr and have a bit more grunt through the traffic, i was so disappointed with the performance when i first got it cuz i could not test drive it at the time. i put a R9 racing exhaust on it and it did have some improvement and plus it dose not sound like a sewing machine!! i am willing to spend some cash on it to get it up to speed, but i cant find anything except a Keihin FCR31 racing carb kit. not sure how much this would improve my slug ??

Remove your front plate.  Also remove any ancilliary items you may have and tuck in as tight as possible.

Have a mechanic pull of the exhaust and make sure that you don't have any obstructions.  That's assuming that you only replaced the can and not the down pipes.

One thing you may consider is going with a rear sprocket with more teeth.  Yes, you will sacrifice some fuel economy, but if you're struggling to reach redline in 6th and want more power in town that's the best way to go.  It will depress your theoretical top speed slightly, but since you're not even reaching that don't worry about it.

It's odd that you can't exceed 140.  I'm 100 kg and I've gotten to mid 150s GPS verified...

[danielmoore2]

dave_boo, on 2009-08-31 16:02:05, said:

danielmoore2, on 2009-08-31 02:46:33, said:

Anyone out there know how i can get my "Indonesian" ninja 250r 2009 to exceed 140kh/hr and have a bit more grunt through the traffic, i was so disappointed with the performance when i first got it cuz i could not test drive it at the time. i put a R9 racing exhaust on it and it did have some improvement and plus it dose not sound like a sewing machine!! i am willing to spend some cash on it to get it up to speed, but i cant find anything except a Keihin FCR31 racing carb kit. not sure how much this would improve my slug ??

Remove your front plate.  Also remove any ancilliary items you may have and tuck in as tight as possible.

Have a mechanic pull of the exhaust and make sure that you don't have any obstructions.  That's assuming that you only replaced the can and not the down pipes.

One thing you may consider is going with a rear sprocket with more teeth.  Yes, you will sacrifice some fuel economy, but if you're struggling to reach redline in 6th and want more power in town that's the best way to go.  It will depress your theoretical top speed slightly, but since you're not even reaching that don't worry about it.

It's odd that you can't exceed 140.  I'm 100 kg and I've gotten to mid 150s GPS verified...

To be honest with you i was looking at some major mod's i/e, carb, bigger bore, turbo, EFI even a different engine if need be anything that some one else has done and had positive results with!!, i use to have a kawasaki ninja 150r two stroke that would top 184km/hr and i could sit it on its back wheel in first second and third gear, i just dont get the lack of power for the 250 4. the only reason im looking in to expanding what i have is in Indonesia there is a limit of 250cc unless you pay 100% import duty on a bike you just cant do it. surly there is something out there i can get that works??  

[danielmoore2]

dave_boo, on 2009-08-31 16:02:05, said:

danielmoore2, on 2009-08-31 02:46:33, said:

Anyone out there know how i can get my "Indonesian" ninja 250r 2009 to exceed 140kh/hr and have a bit more grunt through the traffic, i was so disappointed with the performance when i first got it cuz i could not test drive it at the time. i put a R9 racing exhaust on it and it did have some improvement and plus it dose not sound like a sewing machine!! i am willing to spend some cash on it to get it up to speed, but i cant find anything except a Keihin FCR31 racing carb kit. not sure how much this would improve my slug ??

Remove your front plate.  Also remove any ancilliary items you may have and tuck in as tight as possible.

Have a mechanic pull of the exhaust and make sure that you don't have any obstructions.  That's assuming that you only replaced the can and not the down pipes.

One thing you may consider is going with a rear sprocket with more teeth.  Yes, you will sacrifice some fuel economy, but if you're struggling to reach redline in 6th and want more power in town that's the best way to go.  It will depress your theoretical top speed slightly, but since you're not even reaching that don't worry about it.

It's odd that you can't exceed 140.  I'm 100 kg and I've gotten to mid 150s GPS verified...

To be honest with you i was looking at some major mod's i/e, carb, bigger bore, turbo, EFI even a different engine if need be anything that some one else has done and had positive results with!!, i use to have a kawasaki ninja 150r two stroke that would top 184km/hr and i could sit it on its back wheel in first second and third gear, i just dont get the lack of power for the 250 4. the only reason im looking in to expanding what i have is in Indonesia there is a limit of 250cc unless you pay 100% import duty on a bike you just cant do it. surly there is something out there i can get that works??