They caused the fire because of one minority shareholder? If you think I missed your point before, you have no idea of how confused I am by this comment.
No - I'm just saying that 'if they (the guys who do the dirty little little deals here) want' to find a scapegoat that's NOT THAI, this is an entry point for them - they could try to say the business is really owned by a farang. That's it. They probably won't - now that we've 'discounted it' here on TV - but you never know. Surely you've seen much more dodgy stuff in LOS.
By the way - did anyone else notice there are 30+ partners?? WTF??
I believe the owner has been connected with HOBB bar at RCA as well so you figure there's a lot of interests to protect.
I'd like to know what their families main line of business is as this was allegedly something they do on the side.
Re the top down fire theory - very unlikely. Fire burns up very quickly, down slowly.
Gal iron would suck the heat out of any firework until it stopped, if it was an asbestos cement (or modern equivalent) it would have been impervious to a fire from above. Aluminium will burn, but only in a very hot fire - not from fireworks landing on the roof. Al would also suck the heat out of any fireworks.
The only roof material likely to be burnt through from a firework above would be polycarbonate - as in a skylight. Did Santika have skylights? Doubt it, but someone will know. Looking at google earth - overexposed, but does not appear to have skylights. (Google earth - search santika)
Also, does not appear to have many overlooking neighbours.
I think I could state quite safely that no normal roofing material (Ex thatch, grass etc - I mean in general use in Bangkok) - could be penetrated by regular fireworks.
A high rate of spread inside would tend to indicate that the roof was not breached - as if it had it would permit a draught, taking the flames and smoke out - reducing the rate of spread inside.
This does not exclude the possibility of arson.
Perhaps we need a uni to test the different theories. Maybe here, perhaps better overseas.
Eyewitness evidence first - should reduce the number of theories.
They caused the fire because of one minority shareholder? If you think I missed your point before, you have no idea of how confused I am by this comment.
No - I'm just saying that 'if they (the guys who do the dirty little little deals here) want' to find a scapegoat that's NOT THAI, this is an entry point for them - they could try to say the business is really owned by a farang. That's it. They probably won't - now that we've 'discounted it' here on TV - but you never know. Surely you've seen much more dodgy stuff in LOS.
By the way - did anyone else notice there are 30+ partners?? WTF??
I believe the owner has been connected with HOBB bar at RCA as well so you figure there's a lot of interests to protect.
I'd like to know what their families main line of business is as this was allegedly something they do on the side.
Why do you care what their families do for a living?? Of course they have other jobs, yes several investors in santika are as well investors in hobb and several other clubs in the city, condolences to the famlies that lost loved ones in this tragic accident.
Was Santika Club a Church before it was turn into a club? I feel so very sorry for the people that lost there life and those was injuryed my prays goes out to them and there family. But it is kind of strange that 63 people die 6 3 times. If this was a church before, it was wrong to make it into a club.
Santika was a club built with an ancient cloister theme.
There is nothing strange about the number of people died, could have well been more or less but if you think that this is a fact to investigate further you may provide this information to Thonglor police station.
Dissolution I'm so sorry for your loss. We witness tragedies everyday and become desensitized to it all, we have to; to survive but this one has hit close to home and it's impossible to ignore. I feel mournful for you and all the others. I can't understand why things like this have to happen.
This has put the nail in the coffin for me and Thailand and when I can leave in about 6 months I will not come back for a long time. I know now for sure I'm not overreacting. I've slowly come to realize behind the few spurts of progress this country is basically a zoo with no accountability. I love many things about Thailand but that doesn't offset the dangerous and real things that are wrong with it. There's just too much risk living in a 3rd world country.
Anan Anwar - Scottish-Indonesian singer and actor
Joni Anwar - Scottish-Indonesian singer and actor
Ananda Everingham - Lao-Australian actor
Rowena Kennett - Thai-English VJ for MTV Thailand Louis Scott - Singer and actor
Somtow Sucharitkul - Composer, conductor and author of "Vampire Junction"
Michele Waagaard - Thai-Norwegian model, JAMP singer and VJ for MTV Thailand
Tata Young - Thai-American singer, actor and model
References
A post containing partisan political statements and all its follow-ups have been deleted. This is the only warning there'll be. Any more partisan political posts in this or the other Santika thread will be deleted and the poster will be suspended.
[quote name='mrtoad' post='2446933' date='2009-01-05 00:02:08'][quote name='steffi' post='2446883' date='2009-01-04 23:22:12'][quote name='UtopiaFlorida' post='2446805' date='2009-01-04 15:33:52'][quote name='mrtoad' post='2446266' date='2009-01-04 17:56:57'][quote name='bino' post='2446262' date='2009-01-04 17:54:11']I think he is going to need a lot more than 2 mil baht.... 32 survivors in ICU are probably costing at least that amount every day.
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He'll probably declare himself bankrupt.
I did notice that there was a Western Name on the shareholders list.
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I just googled the name "Louis Scott" - not sure if it's him, but it could be!!!!
Anan Anwar - Scottish-Indonesian singer and actor
Joni Anwar - Scottish-Indonesian singer and actor
Ananda Everingham - Lao-Australian actor
Rowena Kennett - Thai-English VJ for MTV Thailand Louis Scott - Singer and actor
Somtow Sucharitkul - Composer, conductor and author of "Vampire Junction"
Michele Waagaard - Thai-Norwegian model, JAMP singer and VJ for MTV Thailand
Tata Young - Thai-American singer, actor and model
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I dont understand the importance of this young man. The father put on his name same share so?
Why many want put him here?
When we know all the life of him nothing change, farang, thai....important they pay for what they do, live this young man out...him not guilty about anythings.
At the end they find that one Shuttle lose one piece of his antenna and at the re-entry on the heart burn at go inside the club and make fire...nobody guilty...included the SIR that take money. insurrance will pay and the NASA will be sorry for what happen.
RIP
They caused the fire because of one minority shareholder? If you think I missed your point before, you have no idea of how confused I am by this comment.
No - I'm just saying that 'if they (the guys who do the dirty little little deals here) want' to find a scapegoat that's NOT THAI, this is an entry point for them - they could try to say the business is really owned by a farang. That's it. They probably won't - now that we've 'discounted it' here on TV - but you never know. Surely you've seen much more dodgy stuff in LOS.
By the way - did anyone else notice there are 30+ partners?? WTF??
I believe the owner has been connected with HOBB bar at RCA as well so you figure there's a lot of interests to protect.
I'd like to know what their families main line of business is as this was allegedly something they do on the side.
Why do you care what their families do for a living?? Of course they have other jobs, yes several investors in santika are as well investors in hobb and several other clubs in the city, condolences to the famlies that lost loved ones in this tragic accident.
Well if I know what they do I can perhaps no longer patronize their businesses. Just like if I know the nightclubs that they are connected with offer the same safety standards as Santika I can avoid those too. Of course that information is seldom easy to locate when a tragedy such at this one happens as the proprietors don't want their other businesses to suffer.
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Thanks - I am not questioning the Moderation, but I'd like to ask the reason for this, as I am not clear. I am not even sure if any of my posts were deleted.
You would help us all to understand the reasoning behind this. When you say 'political statements' - does that mean no statements about police or corruption? Clarification of your indicators of 'poltical statements' would be appreciated. thanks again in advance. I do recall someting about Thakisn going into villages vs Abhisit going to the fire site.....is that what you mean?
^ See? Here it comes - blame the farang. One of 31 shareholders.
Don't think anyone is pointing the blame on him. It was interesting from the point that he had an English name, nw we know that he is probably half thai - half scottish. Which dispels your previous theory regarding the FBA.
Now, for Oceano; this guy is not being singled out, I'm sure over the coming days more info will be posted about the othershareholders and management of the club. The sharholding in a company such as this, is not like a PLC, and I'd imagine that most of these shareholders are connected through mutual interests of friendships and have run this club as way to make money and have fun.
Sadly, they were unlicensed, uninsured and unsafe in their practices. Which has led to significant loss of life. They do not deserve any special protection, as this is too often the case in these parts.
That suggests to me that, there is no reason why we should not be analysing who, or what the owners/management of Santika are.
[quote name='steffi' post='2446959' date='2009-01-05 00:22:49'][quote name='tb86' post='2446916' date='2009-01-04 16:53:05'][quote name='steffi' post='2446891' date='2009-01-04 23:31:07'][quote name='aromsia' post='2446841' date='2009-01-04 15:56:12'][quote name='Old Man River' post='2446783' date='2009-01-04 22:19:59']They caused the fire because of one minority shareholder? If you think I missed your point before, you have no idea of how confused I am by this comment.[/quote]
No - I'm just saying that 'if they (the guys who do the dirty little little deals here) want' to find a scapegoat that's NOT THAI, this is an entry point for them - they could try to say the business is really owned by a farang. That's it. They probably won't - now that we've 'discounted it' here on TV - but you never know. Surely you've seen much more dodgy stuff in LOS.
By the way - did anyone else notice there are 30+ partners?? WTF??
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I believe the owner has been connected with HOBB bar at RCA as well so you figure there's a lot of interests to protect.
I'd like to know what their families main line of business is as this was allegedly something they do on the side.
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Why do you care what their families do for a living?? Of course they have other jobs, yes several investors in santika are as well investors in hobb and several other clubs in the city, condolences to the famlies that lost loved ones in this tragic accident.
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Well if I know what they do I can perhaps no longer patronize their businesses. Just like if I know the nightclubs that they are connected with offer the same safety standards as Santika I can avoid those too. Of course that information is seldom easy to locate when a tragedy such at this one happens as the proprietors don't want their other businesses to suffer.
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of course they dont,, listen if you want to be safe in a crowded nightclub/ bar / restaurant in thailand, make sure its open air. There are no "safe" places in bkk the harsh reality is that what little inspection done prior to opening is lacking at best, most times bribery is required, this is the system and it is deadly flawed
Re the top down fire theory - very unlikely. Fire burns up very quickly, down slowly.
Sure, but throw in an air con.. see my video here a few months ago - started from the roof. Anyway, i dont know what to think, The fan just watched the news and said they thought it was the sparklers... goodness knows.
they also said this lovely woman in this mobile clip (one of the original videos out) is still in ICU, her boyfriend is in better shape in hospital.
http://uk.news.yahoo...at-15af341.html
Lost my brother to a medical accident years ago. Takes 7 or so years to relax about it, follow your dreams, just do it. Best wishes to all those affected.
There is nothing strange about the number of people died,
All things considered, the number of deaths is less than one might expect in a very crowded third world night club fire. Or perhaps were some of you taken in by the thin veneer of Bangkok and lulled into thinking that Thailand was something other than a relatively insignificant third world country, imagining Thailand as country where workplace safety is an issue of concern and where corruption is not rampant?
Funny how that once the work permit restrictions were eased and the majority of Thai toilets were replaced with high rise commodes, so many of you rushed to live and work in Thailand, even after the far, far worse Kader Factory fire had clearly demonstrated the complacency within the government towards workplace safety. Tragedies such as this fire occur on smaller scales throughout the Kingdom on a weekly basis and yet one rarely hears even the briefest sigh of discontent from the ex-pat crowd. But once the same thing happens to a place frequented by ex-pats and other wealthier Bangkok denizens, the wailing and hand-wringing becomes deafening. But in the end, the rose is still the rose, and nothing will change.
A post containing partisan political statements and all its follow-ups have been deleted. This is the only warning there'll be. Any more partisan political posts in this or the other Santika thread will be deleted and the poster will be suspended.
Thanks - I am not questioning the Moderation, but I'd like to ask the reason for this, as I am not clear. I am not even sure if any of my posts were deleted.
You would help us all to understand the reasoning behind this. When you say 'political statements' - does that mean no statements about police or corruption? Clarification of your indicators of 'poltical statements' would be appreciated. thanks again in advance. I do recall someting about Thakisn going into villages vs Abhisit going to the fire site.....is that what you mean?
The posts deleted were assigning motives to specific political parties. If you want to argue partisan politics there are other threads on TV that you can post into. Statements about the police and corruption are fine but this thread is not going to turn into another party political dingdong. Hope that clears things up a little.
I sincerely hope that this extremely tragic event will not only bring awareness to the people in charge of the safety of the Santika Club what negligence can cause but more important to encourage taking responsibility for anyone operating a venue open to the public.
There is nothing strange about the number of people died,
All things considered, the number of deaths is less than one might expect in a very crowded third world night club fire. Or perhaps were some of you taken in by the thin veneer of Bangkok and lulled into thinking that Thailand was something other than a relatively insignificant third world country, imagining Thailand as country where workplace safety is an issue of concern and where corruption is not rampant?
Funny how that once the work permit restrictions were eased and the majority of Thai toilets were replaced with high rise commodes, so many of you rushed to live and work in Thailand, even after the far, far worse Kader Factory fire had clearly demonstrated the complacency within the government towards workplace safety. Tragedies such as this fire occur on smaller scales throughout the Kingdom on a weekly basis and yet one rarely hears even the briefest sigh of discontent from the ex-pat crowd. But once the same thing happens to a place frequented by ex-pats and other wealthier Bangkok denizens, the wailing and hand-wringing becomes deafening. But in the end, the rose is still the rose, and nothing will change.
My post referred to somethingsnew4u's cross-correlation (no pun intended) between the number 63 and his alleged transformation of the place from a church into a pub.
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steffi, on 2009-01-04 23:22:12, said:
Don't think anyone is pointing the blame on him. It was interesting from the point that he had an English name, nw we know that he is probably half thai - half scottish. Which dispels your previous theory regarding the FBA.
