Prev Page 2 of 2 1 2 35 replies to this topic

[eddiemonster]

Charge Thais more, foreigners less. Just once. Please.  

[Jingthing]

eddiemonster, on 2009-02-03 18:14:07, said:

Charge Thais more, foreigners less. Just once. Please.  

Yes, you could explain the need for the farang discount thus:

-- farangs must pay visa fees
-- farangs must pay for periodic international travel
-- farangs currency "not strong"
-- farangs burdened by double pricing everywhere else
-- farangs cannot stomach fried insects, must pay for spaghetti bolognaise with expensive parma cheese, everyday
-- farangs must pay for own health care, no 30 baht scheme
-- farangs need the exercise more, they are very fat
-- farangs don't have big families here, must pay big money to fill the void
-- current world economic crisis happening to farangs, they aren't rich anymore

Anything can be rationalized.

Edited by Jingthing, 2009-02-03 18:21:53.

[ourmaninbangers]

djlest, on 2009-02-03 18:00:00, said:

I personally think that any dual pricing despite race or 'who is richer or poorer' is still discriminating, no matter what angle you look at it with...

Just set ONE price

Make it VALUE for money and dont discriminate or even consider who is richer or poor, has no arms, no legs, no brains etc.

Make it a low price for all - and set a GOOD example to your fellow Thais and peers

Then offer a kick ass service and really deliver!

Do this and you will do Great!

you will get double the customers, make great word of mouth, set a good example and prove you are non discriminatory to rich, poor, black, white, etc.

Personally if i was poor and i saw that i had to tell you i was poor to get the LOW price (id feel a loss of face and respect if 80% class was paying higher rates)

If the whole world offered value for money and forgot about discrimiating, or dual pricing, or trying to milk every tom for what they could afford based on their background, deficiencies, creed, eduaction etc.

Wouldnt that be good Karma for your business...

Wouldnt it be nice to exist as equal

And yes Taksins daughter was paying the same price as the guy with no shirt or shoes, why not?

EQUALITY = QUALITY

I hear what you say-and we would not overtly try to suggest one is poor
and what you say as a Marxist I agree, but I can never see that day ever coming
the man setting this up is not doing for the profits
however, things like rental, instructor fee's, all add up..he will inviting some of the very best from USA/UK/ Israel/europe, etc - that cost's
we/re struggling with this issue
right now I wish it was an ideal world
but he's doing a good thing- we'll find a way
thanks for that

[ourmaninbangers]

sassienie, on 2009-02-03 01:18:09, said:

ourmaninbangers, on 2009-02-02 20:29:11, said:

One of my  male friend's is opening self defense center in Bangkok. His specialty is the hand on/practical type of training and he has classes for women and children.
He is considered highly qualified in this area and has excellent programs.
The problem/issue is this.
He  is not doing this for profit but would  like not to lose money also-how does he have a fair pricing system that allows everyone to benefit.
He/we are very keen that this training is available for both locals and non-locals.
If he were to charge locals and foreigners the same fee it basically means that most local's could not afford it.
I suggested a sort of scholarship program where the fee is waived for earnest locals and also foreigner's .
But mainly local's.
I suppose this just my way of being able to adjust a fee based on race!
As I two sets of mixed parents from different European and eastern heritage I can hardly be called a racist, but I am wondering about my idea.
What does TV members think? is this a racist policy, any other idea's of how to deal with this issue please?
thanks

You say your friend (or you) is not doing this for profit, meaning he would be happy just to break even.

So while this out of the goodness of the heart training is going on, how does he gain income in Thailand for the cost of living expenses, Visa etc?

And the answer to the question, what to charge according to race, than if profit is not involved, make membership fees the same for all, perhaps have seperate price tariffs for children & adults.

This is easy because it only requires a cheap empty room for these activities and the skills of the trainer.

my friend is semi retired,visa/money are not issue's
all he really does not want to do is lose- he neither wants/nor need's to make the profit's
he is very firm and clear about this, and this is major plus I think
however, the gym fee is not just a cheap room because it central situation near soi 11,
it costs apx 35'000 per month I think
and the guest instructors need to make a living and they will form the  majority of the scheduled classes
( there will be savate, JKD,Amok! wrestling, krav-maga,systema, women self defence regularly)
good teacher's are not that cheap really,some  of the above is taught by leading experts
one chap here charges 2000bht per hour
he will teach his stuff either for free or just ask donation's- he is undecided about this
one of the art he leanrt taught him a very good sort of ethic
that is to try and provide this sort of thing to people who need it/may need it, and do not deny on basis of their financial
thanks for ideas

[ourmaninbangers]

easyride, on 2009-02-03 17:34:03, said:

Thais are rascist as hel_l and your dual pricing policy is just that no matter that a 'friend' gets a scholarship. Dual pricing is unfair, how would you screen the 'poor' foreigner to ensure he gets lower rates? As has been pointed out, would Thaksin's daughter need a discount? Sounds to me like you're just trying to make the most money possible despite what you say about non-profit.

I think most people are  a bit racist unfortunately- that doesn't mean we have to be though
you are totally wrong , way, way wrong about trying to make the make money.... you are most welcome to come and see this friendly new club
what made you say that exactly?
check it out for yourself  please and you will see how wrong you are
I understand how there a many cowboys in this city and you are entitled to your opinions
but it is a sad thing when people automatically assume this when someone is trying to do something good
there will be an opening
you are very welcome

[HorseDoctor]

jumnien, on 2009-02-02 20:35:20, said:

Remember that Thai is not a race; there are many Caucasian Thais and Indian Thais, etc.  Thailand did not even exist 100 years ago!  Why not go with a sliding scale, fee based on ability to pay?  Seems fair.

Hallejulah to that, brother ! Quite a few Thais think they are, as do their constant apologists..

[Geekfreaklover]

I have a friend who drives a London black taxi cab for a living in London. He works as a cabby for six months of the year and spends the other six months in Thailand. A few weeks ago, whilst working in London, he picked up a Thai gentleman from Charing Cross station in London. The Thai gentleman had to go to an important business meeting in the west side of town. The Thai gentleman was wearing a business suit and spoke very good english. They spoke about Thailand on the journey.

Once they arrived at the destination my friend told him the fare would be 20 English pounds.

"20 pounds?" The Thai gentleman exclaimed, "It only says 10 pounds on the meter!!!!"

"Yes," my friend said, "But you are in England now."

As would luck would have it they both saw the funny side of it and the fare charged was 10 quid.

[noahvail]

JohnJackson, on 2009-02-03 00:19:34, said:

Why are concessions rascist?

Are leisure centres rascist in the west because they admit entry to senior citizens for less money (because they have less money) sometimes you have to apply new rules and systems for different situations

Off topic, but perhaps you are confusing racism with ageism - or in this case reverse ageism.  

And your blanket statement that "they have less money" is, well, perhaps we should say 'unresearched.'

Now, back to the original topic.....

[Travel2003]

samuibeachcomber, on 2009-02-02 15:41:42, said:

if the guy is n't after a profit but wants to cover costs,as a business person he will have to work out how many patrons he needs at what price to cover those costs.he should work on same price for all,lowest fee possible.for example at 100baht per person per lesson,how many patrons would he need.start from there.i go to a gym,its 100 baht for all,thai,farang etc.

I might be "hammered" for this, but the idea seems to have been put together during a drinking session.
You know, one of those fairly good ideas we can come up with, that turns out to be harder to realize than one thought.
Here is on idea.
He wants to be fair, but does not know how? What about having a pay scale based upon the skills?
As more advanced training one requires, as more one pay.
So, the weak and most defenceless, get it cheaper than the already more skilled.

[geriatrickid]

geeky, on 2009-02-03 07:52:51, said:

do it like the national parks: prices for Thai's and non-Thai's

-> anybody who can show a workpermit also get Thai prices

not according to the many threads that  cite examples. Anyway, back to the dilemma. How about special vouchers that you can  give out to  some charitable organizations?
The local youth clubs? The Thai social service organizations  know who is poor and who isn't. Trying to judge yourself will result in grief.  Hand that decision off to people that work with the poor and  know need when they see it.

[easyride]

ourmaninbangers, on 2009-02-04 04:05:52, said:

easyride, on 2009-02-03 17:34:03, said:

Thais are rascist as hel_l and your dual pricing policy is just that no matter that a 'friend' gets a scholarship. Dual pricing is unfair, how would you screen the 'poor' foreigner to ensure he gets lower rates? As has been pointed out, would Thaksin's daughter need a discount? Sounds to me like you're just trying to make the most money possible despite what you say about non-profit.

I think most people are  a bit racist unfortunately- that doesn't mean we have to be though
you are totally wrong , way, way wrong about trying to make the make money.... you are most welcome to come and see this friendly new club
what made you say that exactly?
check it out for yourself  please and you will see how wrong you are
I understand how there a many cowboys in this city and you are entitled to your opinions
but it is a sad thing when people automatically assume this when someone is trying to do something good
there will be an opening
you are very welcome

I didn't mean to say Thais were exclusive in being rascist. Checking out your club will show me nothing about your financial policies, I still say dual pricing is unfair!