A victory to the Phua Thai party ! All the boys are rubbing their hands at the thought of "finally" getting that big pay day that they have been waiting for.
Im so excited about this !
Thailand May Seek To Extradite Thaksin: Pm
Started by george, 2009-02-26 15:00
#51
taxin
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 01:31:20
At last ! The man will soon be back to sort out this crippling economy.
A victory to the Phua Thai party ! All the boys are rubbing their hands at the thought of "finally" getting that big pay day that they have been waiting for. Im so excited about this !
#52
mickeylo
Newbie Posted 2009-02-27 02:13:50
why dont they just lock this dude up . or something all he does is start trouble.if he had happend in the states soon as they kick him out. that would have been it. it wouldnt have been none this trying to get your peole in power stuff. even if they thought he was trying something like that he would be in big trouble. thailand must be the only place you can pull so shit like this .ps they almost mess up my trip last year. with this stuff but thank god they got in work out.iam talking about the airport
#53
peecee
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 03:02:22
Tailand has a judiciary that has backed the military with rulings that have outlawed the countries own electorial watchdog's because they didn't like the outcome of the election. They olso outlawed MP's of parties they don't like until the elected goverment couldn't function and now, through a thinly disguised coup; have installed thier man as prime minister! Until there is a radical overhall of the constitution to create a level playing field and the ousting of these politically motivated judges Thailand will continue from crisis to crisis.
#54
dave9988
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 03:40:12
Interesting that they need to extradite Thaskin yet cant arrest/find the PAD leaders who are in the government cabinet and committed an act of terrorism . I know, its under investigation.
#55
faranginexile
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 03:52:12
Tailand has a judiciary that has backed the military with rulings that have outlawed the countries own electorial watchdog's because they didn't like the outcome of the election. They olso outlawed MP's of parties they don't like until the elected goverment couldn't function and now, through a thinly disguised coup; have installed thier man as prime minister! Until there is a radical overhall of the constitution to create a level playing field and the ousting of these politically motivated judges Thailand will continue from crisis to crisis. Or not. If the above Nation article is correct, and Pojamon has really cut him off, Thaksin may soon lack sufficient funds with with to launch a counter-offensive. Hong Kong ain't cheap, especially when you're employing a platoon of security personnel and the local authorities are no doubt demanding, er, "administrative fees." If and when Thaksin's cash starts to dry up and he stops springing for airfare and shopping expenses for his thai buddies to join him in HK for meetings, he'll soon find that his calls are no longer being answered up in the Kingdom. The military, by contrast, appears perfectly content to continue doing whatever it takes to ensure that the Thaksin Raks Thaksin Party, in whatever form, no longer holds the government for long, if ever. This, of course, is a good thing. Thaksin was and is a crook whose cronyism made Bush&Cheney look like pikers. Good riddance to him and his toadies, and kudos to the Thai Military for understanding that democracy is overrated, especially when "democratically elected" means nothing more than buying more votes than the next guy. #56
sassienie
Intelligent Member Posted 2009-02-27 04:13:08
It`s seems not only do they want to kill him, but eat him as well.
Ip, dip, your it. Why not just leave the guy alone in peace? He`s not the first corrupt politician to hold power in Thailand, nor will he be the last. My personal view is that Mr Thaksin was good for Thailand and now many other than his political opponents would like to see his return to Government. #57
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:22:19
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals.  Fobuff I was there at a village and saw the votes paid for by red shirts,everytime,3 times ,,is that legal? #58
spencerdharmagrafix
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:24:04
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff through bribery/vote buying/corruption//media control/cencorship/bullying of opponents/state and police violence etc. not exactly democratic. just because someone gets the most votes doesnt mean they were elected in a democratic way. the pre requisites for democracy - rule of law, human rights, freedom of speech, fear from intimidation and political violence, accountability - just dont exist in thailand at present. i hate the yellowshirts too. thailand needs real change not just one bunch of rich power mad brutes fighting another. A lot of people liked him. He was elected. That's the problem. There is nobody. Sadly, you are right, there really is nobody. The problem is the general acceptance for a corrupt "Nisay" (disposition) does not help to change matters. Corruption is part of the social infrastructure, and that is the problem - a dishonest, money and power hungry disposition is built in since early education with the general mindset. #59
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:24:43
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff I was there at a village and saw votes paid for by red shirts ,is that legal,,try to take a real look #60
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:31:40
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff Thaksin stood in his electorate and got voted into parliament. Abhisit stood in his electorate and got voted into parliament. Parliament appointed Thaksin as PM. Thaksin's party was found to be acting illegally, Thaksin was banned from politics. Thaksin formed a proxy party. Parliament nominated Samak as PM. Samak was found to be acting illegally and was banned from politics. Parliament nominated Somchai as PM. Somchai's party was found to be acting illegally and he was banned from politics. Parliament nominated Abhisit as PM, which is where we are now. Abhisit has so far not be found to be acting illegally, and is the legal PM of Thailand. You can rant and rave about generals and puppets all you like, but it doesn't change the facts. There is no difference between how Thaksin came to power and how Abhisit did. Both were voted into parliament by the people, both were nominated by parliament for the post of PM. There is however a huge difference in their legal status. Thaksin is a convicted criminal, Abhisit is not. People might actually have to think and then where would they be in their support of Thaksin and Vote-buying and Money politics? I was there at a village and saw votes paid for by red shirts ,is that legal,,try to take a real look and the people who like him are the most undereducated in the country who were promised cows etc i was there and my wife thai wife helped me understand and i speak well enough,do you? A lot of people liked him? He was elected? not really #61
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:35:16
Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. i was there almost a decade,what info do you have,?sounds like you read the papers #62
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:37:26
At last ! The man will soon be back to sort out this crippling economy. A victory to the Phua Thai party ! All the boys are rubbing their hands at the thought of "finally" getting that big pay day that they have been waiting for. Im so excited about this ! #63
nakachalet
Super Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:39:21
in hongkong, there is a govt organization called icac (?) that probably would assist the thai govt in detaining fugitive tucksin. geeweez, those who haves couldn't careless which half-decently honest looking person runs the show, but the havenots, particularly those less than honest politicians, wishing for his handouts, appears truly want his return to former status, so they could once again deplete poor thailand even more. so sympathetic with the poorer and less experienced northeastern territory which has not been more blessed. much like saudi underground is so fertile but its neighboring arab is not. also very much like many farangs coming to thailand and loving their thai ladies with different intensities, wow .... tsk, tsk, tsk... better not go there.
#64
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:39:55
Tailand has a judiciary that has backed the military with rulings that have outlawed the countries own electorial watchdog's because they didn't like the outcome of the election. They olso outlawed MP's of parties they don't like until the elected goverment couldn't function and now, through a thinly disguised coup; have installed thier man as prime minister! Until there is a radical overhall of the constitution to create a level playing field and the ousting of these politically motivated judges Thailand will continue from crisis to crisis. if you are actually there and looking the real people like the new pm like crazy,,the mercs are still doin there job tho till they run outa cash,T has a bit tho mite take awhile #65
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:41:26
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff through bribery/vote buying/corruption//media control/cencorship/bullying of opponents/state and police violence etc. not exactly democratic. just because someone gets the most votes doesnt mean they were elected in a democratic way. the pre requisites for democracy - rule of law, human rights, freedom of speech, fear from intimidation and political violence, accountability - just dont exist in thailand at present. i hate the yellowshirts too. thailand needs real change not just one bunch of rich power mad brutes fighting another. A lot of people liked him. He was elected. That's the problem. There is nobody. Sadly, you are right, there really is nobody. The problem is the general acceptance for a corrupt "Nisay" (disposition) does not help to change matters. Corruption is part of the social infrastructure, and that is the problem - a dishonest, money and power hungry disposition is built in since early education with the general mindset. I was there at a village and saw votes paid for by red shirts ,is that legal,,try to take a real look and the people who like him are the most undereducated in the country who were promised cows etc i was there and my wife thai wife helped me understand and i speak well enough,do you? A lot of people liked him. He was elected. not really #66
chlear909
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 05:47:24
Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. i was there almost a decade,what info do you have,?sounds like you read the papers hitler was wonderful,,there now some of you believe it dont ya,,,comon its written right there so it must be true if its written,, according to the usa media if you write it enough,its true regardless of actual experience or reality,,and thats the big prob with usa and why it may go down the tubes like rome,just like it #67
john b good
Platinum Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:05:37
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff If you can call buying your way into power (and it was twice) "as being elected" then you must be a member of the Thai Rak Thai party (or perhaps a red shirt) or come from some banana republic (such as Dominica, Zimbabwe, and there are quite a few other examples to choose from) 
#68
frogz
Advanced Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:15:26
At least he was elected twice (or is three times) by the people (legally) and not put up by puppet Generals. Fobuff through bribery/vote buying/corruption//media control/cencorship/bullying of opponents/state and police violence etc. not exactly democratic. just because someone gets the most votes doesnt mean they were elected in a democratic way. the pre requisites for democracy - rule of law, human rights, freedom of speech, fear from intimidation and political violence, accountability - just dont exist in thailand at present. i hate the yellowshirts too. thailand needs real change not just one bunch of rich power mad brutes fighting another. I agree, but Thaksin seems to be singled out as a bad apple. The pre requisites for democarcy are all the things that you mention, but lets not forget that Thailand has not really had those pre requisites in the past either. To focus on Thaksin and his party as this evil anti democratic monster is a bit unfair as it doesn't take in to consideration what has gone before - which was more of the same. The question that should be asked is Thailand really ready for democracy? The indications seems to suggest that it isn't. Although It would seem that that is what the people and the country are striving for. I think that the barrier to true democracy is the reluctance of the old power brokers to trust in democracy. They still want their fingers in the pie, so to speak, instead of allowing democracy to flourish. #69
john b good
Platinum Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:16:44
Thanksin did more for Thailand than any other PM here. Don't believe the hype the new government has fed you. Thaksin did more (much more) for himself than he ever did for the country. Billions of Baht (billions of $$$$'s in fact) that were siphoned off. Add to that 3,000 people killed extra-judicially in his war on drugs. Personally I believe it might be better if he were left to rot in some other country rather than be readmitted (under whatever circumstances) to foment anarchy. #70
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:21:58
 Foreign Ministry to Have Police Arrest Thaksin in Hong Kong The Foreign Ministry may request assistance from international police to arrest former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who is expected to make a speech to reporters in Hong Kong. Foreign Ministry's Deputy Spokesman Thani Thongpakdee said that it is up to Royal Thai Police and the Attorney-General whether to arrest Thaksin Shinawatra or not, and if so, how to do so. The Foreign Ministry is ready to produce the necessary documents upon the request of the Attorney-General. The International press association of Hong Kong said that former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is preparing to make a speech this Monday. Meanwhile, AFP news quoted former political scientist Prayad Hongthongkam's analysis of Thaksin's speech as saying it is a sign of desperation and that the former PM is approaching the end of political exile, hence his recent decision to confront his opponents. Prayad also believes that Thaksin is pleading with the international community for sympathy. Prayad said that Thaksin is willing to do anything to get his associates back in power including the potential formation of a coalition government. The former PM can return to Thailand without being arrested in one of two ways. One is to have political associates in power, and the other is to seek amnesty. The International press association of Hong Kong reported that Thaksin Shinawatra is going to deliver his speech this coming Monday March 2nd, 2009. - TOC / 2009-02-26 why dont they just lock this dude up . or something all he does is start trouble.if he had happend in the states soon as they kick him out. that would have been it. it wouldnt have been none this trying to get your peole in power stuff. even if they thought he was trying something like that he would be in big trouble. thailand must be the only place you can pull so shit like this .ps they almost mess up my trip last year. with this stuff but thank god they got in work out.iam talking about the airport Quotes fixed to properly reflect who wrote what. #71
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:29:40
Interesting that they need to extradite Thaskin yet cant arrest/find the PAD leaders who are in the government cabinet and committed an act of terrorism . I know, its under investigation. Thaksin's case was under investigation for two years prior to his arrest warrant being issued. I hope you're not going to be making the above off-topic post in every thread for the next 2 years. Edited by sriracha john, 2009-02-27 07:30:51. #72
coalminer
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:32:04
Abhisit said his government will ensure that everyone is under the law. So, the PAD terrorists who kept Thailand ransom are under the law now and serving their time in jail? So, I can go anywhere in Thailand now and be sure the no "tea money" will be asked by a crappy official? This Abhisit is the worst nightmare Thailand has ever seen. #73
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:44:51
Abhisit said his government will ensure that everyone is under the law. So, the PAD terrorists who kept Thailand ransom are under the law now and serving their time in jail? Perhaps in two years time, it would be a more appropriate and realistic question... Quote So, I can go anywhere in Thailand now and be sure the no "tea money" will be asked by a crappy official? It's a process. It doesn't occur overnight. It's far better to at least make the effort to try and do something about the endemic corruption rather than it is to rail against those that are making the effort. Quote This Abhisit is the worst nightmare Thailand has ever seen. OR an inspiration that finally perhaps Thailand can begin to make some improvements. Edited by sriracha john, 2009-02-27 07:47:58. #74
alenhan
Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:45:27
OK, I have a fantasy scenario. Could this happen? Would it work? Would the people accept it? 1. Thaksin extradited 2. Thaksin directly from airport (in handcuffs) and Abhisit called to the palace for an national unity emergency audience 3. Abhisit pledges to effect a pardon for all current and future criminal charges against Thaksin and also be able to keep his money, Thaksin pledges to finally quit all activity politics in any and all ways in a venue he won't ever be able to weasel out of (as he always has in the past). Also a nice touch would be a public speech of apology and national unity where he announces his final departure from all public life. The penalty for Thaksin for breaking this in any way, including controlling a puppet proxy/relative would be instant imprisonment. Both sides get some of what they want, more or less, giving some, taking some. The palace remains officially non-partial, only acting in an emergency mode to prevent a national meltdown. Thaksin is not worth for that. He is rottening now and he is over! #75
old wanderer
Senior Member Posted 2009-02-27 07:56:39
I am suprised NOBODY has mentioned that MR. Thaskin is now an honorary citizen of Nicaragua complete with passport..
Any body think the old trickster does not feel the noose tightining around his neck? As too the comments about only a few months of the 3 years in jail....he will be brought before the courts for 9 other much more serious cases.... |
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