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Posted 2009-04-11 14:44:07
 onzestan, on 2009-04-11 15:22:44, said:
rixalex, on 2009-04-11 12:38:52, said: I don't think anything that Schumacher did serves in any way as a defence for what Lewis has done
Here you go again looking for excuses for Hamilton.
Huh??? Read the underlined bit above again.
"Is this maybe because he's british?"
Well last season you always took the side against Hamilton and i did wonder whether your feelings against him had anything to do with him being British. You denied it and i accept that, but i do in general find Europeans outside of the UK do for whatever reason, seem to have an anti UK thing going on. Perhaps it's because the UK is the base for many of the F1 teams and that makes them jealous.
onzestan, on 2009-04-11 15:22:44, said: He has lied repeatedly to the stewards
Repeatedly? Really?
onzestan, on 2009-04-11 15:22:44, said: As to your other point to compare teammates is invalid if team orders have been issued, of which McLaren (just ask David Coulthard)has been guilty of repeatedly, as has Ferrari in the Schumacher era.
Not saying that i agree with team orders, but the driver who gets preferential treatment is always the better and the faster driver. They wouldn't after all be giving preferential treatment to the slower driver now would they?
Posted 2009-04-11 14:55:21
rixalex, on 2009-04-11 14:44:07, said:
Well last season you always took the side against Hamilton and i did wonder whether your feelings against him had anything to do with him being British. You denied it and i accept that, but i do in general find Europeans outside of the UK do for whatever reason, seem to have an anti UK thing going on. Perhaps it's because the UK is the base for many of the F1 teams and that makes them jealous.
I don't think so mate. It's more reaction to your comments regarding Hamilton. I mean all the germans loved Schumi, now when Hamilton won last year he's hero in everyone's eyes in UK. But not so much in Italy as Ferrari "lost" and all spanish hate him as he was caught in a fight with Alonso who again is the national hero having won couple of times.
I mean natural thing for people to be fans and support their own country men. You can find the same thing in every sport, think of Liverpool and ManU supporter discussing offsides and penalties during the match 
Posted 2009-04-11 15:36:08
MJo, on 2009-04-11 15:55:21, said: rixalex, on 2009-04-11 14:44:07, said:
Well last season you always took the side against Hamilton and i did wonder whether your feelings against him had anything to do with him being British. You denied it and i accept that, but i do in general find Europeans outside of the UK do for whatever reason, seem to have an anti UK thing going on. Perhaps it's because the UK is the base for many of the F1 teams and that makes them jealous.
I don't think so mate. It's more reaction to your comments regarding Hamilton. I mean all the germans loved Schumi, now when Hamilton won last year he's hero in everyone's eyes in UK. But not so much in Italy as Ferrari "lost" and all spanish hate him as he was caught in a fight with Alonso who again is the national hero having won couple of times.
I mean natural thing for people to be fans and support their own country men. You can find the same thing in every sport, think of Liverpool and ManU supporter discussing offsides and penalties during the match
Very true mate. I admit i am biased in favour of Hamilton, but bias or no bias, i still think he's the best racer out there and i think he proves that almost every time he races - those that can't see that i think are biased against him - quite possibly for the reasons you state.
I might add that although i disliked Schuey, i do think he was the best of his generation and quite possibly the best of all time.
Posted 2009-04-11 17:40:11
rixalex, on 2009-04-11 14:44:07, said: onzestan, on 2009-04-11 15:22:44, said: He has lied repeatedly to the stewards
Repeatedly? Really?
Just to make my position clear plse read following article : http://www.formula1....009/4/9159.html
in which the FIA states that Hamilton lied on march 29th to the stewards, and again on april 2nd at a new hearing by the stewards.
No malice intended.
Onzestan
Posted 2009-04-11 19:28:27
onzestan, on 2009-04-11 18:40:11, said: rixalex, on 2009-04-11 14:44:07, said: onzestan, on 2009-04-11 15:22:44, said: He has lied repeatedly to the stewards
Repeatedly? Really?
in which the FIA states that Hamilton lied on march 29th to the stewards, and again on april 2nd at a new hearing by the stewards.
So by repeatedly you meant twice?
Technically correct i guess, but repeatedly to me suggested a larger number than two.
Posted 2009-04-11 19:31:39
Have just found ESPN a replacement commentater for Steve Slater-You Tube Renault f1 Dubai autodrome crash-oilydan, would liven up the next Vettel/Kubica crash  .
Posted 2009-04-11 21:15:48
kartman, on 2009-04-05 17:49:14, said: Raikkonen middle of a GP, Tshirt,shorts and choc ice - brilliant!
Are you sure ... I thought it was a cornetto 
TBWG 
Posted 2009-04-11 23:09:47
TBWG, on 2009-04-11 22:15:48, said: kartman, on 2009-04-05 17:49:14, said: Raikkonen middle of a GP, Tshirt,shorts and choc ice - brilliant!
Are you sure ... I thought it was a cornetto
TBWG
My money's on a Feast!
It was a truly bizarre moment that's for sure. Perhaps it was in part what the Ferrari boss was refering to this week when he said he didn't want his team to become the joke of the paddock.
Posted 2009-04-12 19:06:02
rixalex, on 2009-04-11 23:09:47, said: TBWG, on 2009-04-11 22:15:48, said: kartman, on 2009-04-05 17:49:14, said: Raikkonen middle of a GP, Tshirt,shorts and choc ice - brilliant!
Are you sure ... I thought it was a cornetto
TBWG
My money's on a Feast!
It was a truly bizarre moment that's for sure. Perhaps it was in part what the Ferrari boss was refering to this week when he said he didn't want his team to become the joke of the paddock.
What made it even funnier is the Ferrari spokesperson telling everyone that KR was ready for the race to resume, blissfully unaware that he was in shorts and T shirt with an ice-cream and coke!
As far as LH is concerned - he lied (and was caught doing so), he's been punished, and nobody (including the FIA) want to lose the entertainment value of a top name. I'm willing to bet money that he will not be penalised further race-wise.
MS was not believed by the powers that be in Monaco 2006, and was punished accordingly.
Edited by F1fanatic, 2009-04-12 19:12:15.
Posted 2009-04-12 19:11:26
p.s. the difference is that Hamilton was initially believed by the stewards, and Trulli was penalised. MS was obviously not believed, and received an immediate penalty.
I find it very strange to reconcile Trulli's penalty with Whitmarsh's latest comments that it was obvious that Hamilton was lying on Sunday. If that is so, how come they accepted his version of events and penalised Trulli without checking the evidence first???
Posted 2009-04-13 01:06:40
It's quite clear; Hamilton is a liar & Ryan has been made the fall guy (perhaps a willing one) in an attempt by McLaren to escape further sanctions from the FIA. I sincerely hope that both Hamilton & McLaren receive further punishment.
Posted 2009-04-13 03:38:17
ClaytonSeymour, on 2009-04-13 01:06:40, said: It's quite clear; Hamilton is a liar & Ryan has been made the fall guy...
I think that's arse about face.
Posted 2009-04-13 08:28:03
ClaytonSeymour, on 2009-04-13 01:06:40, said: It's quite clear; Hamilton is a liar & Ryan has been made the fall guy (perhaps a willing one) in an attempt by McLaren to escape further sanctions from the FIA. I sincerely hope that both Hamilton & McLaren receive further punishment.
And I sincerely hope that sometime in the very near future, the teams grow some balls. Tell Bernie et Al to piss off, and start a breakaway season. The FIA are killing it as a spectacle, at planetf1 site it was said Bernie was very satisfied with the way the event turned out. He saw no problem that we only saw half a race. Plonker.
Posted 2009-04-13 08:32:56
JetsetBkk, on 2009-04-13 04:38:17, said: ClaytonSeymour, on 2009-04-13 01:06:40, said: It's quite clear; Hamilton is a liar & Ryan has been made the fall guy...
I think that's arse about face.
Yes, completely arse about face. I don't think you understand the roles within an F1 team Clayton.
Ryan was a very senior employee and it was his job to effectively work like a bit like a lawyer in the sense of knowing all the rules and regulations and giving his client, read driver, the best possible advice. And as with lawyers, although they certainly shouldn't advocate lying, they do often advise giving a version of events that paints the driver most favourably and perhaps being a little cute with the facts.
Of course sadly in Lewis's case it went a bit beyond that. I say sadly but i have the feeling many F1 fans, like some on this thread, have absolutely loved the chance to have a dig at Lewis and are happily baying for more penalties. Stop your baying - the FIA are obviously anti McClaren anyway so i'm sure you'll see many more penalties coming their way this year to keep you happy. 
Posted 2009-04-14 15:15:10
Stand by to have the season turned on it's head. The decission is due tomorrow I think on the spoiler fin that the likes of Brawn and Williams are using.
Posted 2009-04-14 15:29:32
Anyone know when the diffusor decision is going to be annouced ? The hearing was scheduled for today ?
Posted 2009-04-14 17:09:10
Like I already said, I think the decision is due tomorrow afternoon. However that's Paris time so it will be evening here.
Posted 2009-04-20 22:50:42
Congrats to Vettel! A flawless drive from start to finish.
It's good that Brawn aren't having it all their own way too.
What an interesting season so far - may it continue!
Posted 2009-04-20 23:01:37
rixalex, on 2009-04-20 22:50:42, said: Congrats to Vettel! A flawless drive from start to finish.
It's good that Brawn aren't having it all their own way too.
What an interesting season so far - may it continue!
rixalex I told you a couple of weeks back that Vettel was as good as anyone out there, this season will hopefully prove it, but how embarrassing for the Ferrari team.
Posted 2009-04-20 23:06:57
wackysleet, on 2009-04-20 23:01:37, said: rixalex, on 2009-04-20 22:50:42, said: Congrats to Vettel! A flawless drive from start to finish.
It's good that Brawn aren't having it all their own way too.
What an interesting season so far - may it continue!
rixalex I told you a couple of weeks back that Vettel was as good as anyone out there, this season will hopefully prove it, but how embarrassing for the Ferrari team.
Yes you did. I need a little more convincing though. Let's give it until the end of the season and see where we are.
The Red Bulls were obviously in a class of their own, but that said, in the conditions it was a great drive - take nothing away from the lad.
As for Ferrari, yes it's not looking too good is it. Did KR have a problem or was he just crap in the wet like last year?
Posted 2009-04-21 05:26:57
Vettel showed last year he was the new rain master, 100% confirmed in China last weekend
Adrian Sutil came up from the back row to 6th place before the accident..
Schumacher was the rain master for 10 years
Germans appear to be good in the rain ?
Posted 2009-04-21 15:47:04
The final results were interesting - first 2 places Red Bull, 3rd and 4th Brawn, 5th and 6th McLaren.
Looks as if McLaren are improving - 5th and 6th places despite LH going off track 3 times!
Good race and interesting season so far. Look forward to seeing whether Red Bull can continue such a dominant race pace.
Posted 2009-04-24 14:23:10
rixalex, on 2009-04-07 09:42:37, said: MaiDong, on 2009-04-07 03:43:42, said: rixalex, on 2009-04-06 23:32:55, said: MaiDong, on 2009-04-06 15:01:54, said: This weekend I've watched Free Practice 1,2 & 3(from the BBC's interactive coverage) from beginning to end(approx, 90 minutes per program), this is excellent coverage with a cycle of presenters including Anthony Davidson who is whitty, insightful & experienced and who has also worked with Jenson Button quite closely so he knows what's going on in the BrawnGP team.
I watched a 2 hour program of qualifying(also from the BBC's coverage)
I then watched a 3 hour program of the actual race plus build-up and apart from Eddie Jordan being a bit of a twat(he'll be removed soon I think) the rest of the BBC team is spot on,
Are you in Thailand? As i understand it, BBC video on the internet is not available to those of us here. Or am i wrong?
Any chance of providing a more detailed answer than a smilie? Every time i try to use BBCi Player i get a message that says "sorry, not available in your area" - or something like that.
You can watch it on PALAPA C2 (113.0E) .......The F1 is free to view on here direct from the UK ITN F1 team..... The only problem I have with this is the adverts as they are not at the same time......... So you have 2 or 3 mins after the advert on Palapa 2 the UK advert break, OK the cars are still running and pictures fine but there is no comentery
Posted 2009-04-27 10:17:23
Well done Button! Didn't put a foot wrong.
Did you see the pictures of Alonso after the race? His water bottle didn't work and he could barely stand at the end, he was so dehydrated!  Can't believe he managed to keep going and finish in a repectable position - the man has guts.
BTW, I'm not an Alonso fan and don't actually like him v much, but I have enormous respect for his racing abilities.
Good to see that Heikki is maintaining his efforts in the WDC (Worst Driver Championship).
Piquet took his eye off the ball in this fascinating championship and boringly, ended the race in a reasonable position. 
Posted 2009-04-27 11:15:35
It really is turning into one of the best starts to a season i can remember. Button drove like a champion and I think Hamilton drove a blinder as well considering he hasn't got the car he hoped for this season.
I think somebody from Toyota need a good talking to about the choice of tyres at the first stop ?
Off to Eurpe next where Brawn are bringing in a new aero package supposedly giving another 4 1/10ths a lap. Ferrari need to be kickng some ass as well. Sould be a close call this season but I still think Hamilton will come good. I'm just hoping that the FIA decide to go easy on the team. It would not be good to have them penalised any more though I bet " Whip my butt Mosley " Would love it. I bet Coulthard is kicking himself after seeing redbull mixing it up with the big boys ha ha ha.
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