Posted 2009-04-27 21:49:09
 loong, on 2009-04-26 17:58:42, said:
I'm very happy,
nearly had an organicasm.
Beans have been in about 4 weeks now, I've planted them VERY close together and so have been cutting them back, so they are bushing more than running. Cuttings are going on the compost heap or as mulch. Today, I dug out a root and it had about 30 nodules about 5mm diameter and they are PINK.
Obviously the necessary bacteria was already present in the soil, so I now know that the black beans are doing their job.
When do you get back to Thailand Jandtaa, look forward to hearing some more from you.
Hi Loong
Back in LOS around about the 2nd of September most likely depending on work, so just in time for the new growing season  !!
Glad your black beans are doing well and fixing nitrogen  (have you managed to confirm their identity through the foliage ?) love the term "organicasm" by the way !!
May your "nodules" remain full and healthily pink !! J
Posted 2009-04-28 02:35:10
Jantdaa,
thanks to Teletiger and confirmed by your links and looking at the foliage, they are definitely Black Mung Beans. I couldn't be sure when Teletiger first posted the photo link, but now I am.
Also known as Black Gram, Black Matpe, Black Mung Bean, Mung Bean, Rice Bean, Urd, Urd Bean, Urd-Bean, Urdi Black Bean, Urid
http://zipcodezoo.co.../V/Vigna_mungo/
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I'm not sure, but I think that this is the bean they use to make beansprouts.
Posted 2009-11-13 23:29:21
Foreverford, on 2008-12-29 17:30:11, said: Smithson, on 2008-10-31 13:59:29, said:
Thanks Smithson
I finally found a supplier of seed. Sun Hemp is called Paw Teung (pahh teu enhg) here and it goes for 40 baht a kilo if you are buying in bulk (I bought 200 kilos). They say 3-5 kilos per rai for green manure and Chownah has said he has had success in the 8 kilo a rai amount for broadcasting and discing. It germinates extremely fast, 4-5 hours soaking in warm water for me got some of the seeds to start showing its roots. Be careful not to soak too long if you want to "pre-emerge" your seeds as any longer than that or a delay in planting could be trouble. We just planted that and Sahnoh African (sesbania rostrata 40 baht a kilo and 3-5 kilo to a rai) last thursday the 25th and I will try to inform as the results come in. We are trying a few different methods to grow these two along with another bean that I don't have the name right now that is lima bean in size. The "Sanoh" is reputed to be a difficult grower with germination up to two weeks. Below is the contact of the company.
Thai Tanaht Praset in Chai Badan formely known as Lam Narai on Highway 21 half-way between Saraburi and Petchabun they are on the right side of the road about a kilo or two from the main clock tower on the highway.
Suenee 081-8202626
Tua Plu seeds in bulk are impossible to locate still but I will continue to look. I'd love to at least get a few cans but can't find them.
036-461701
Too too long on the computer and too sick to give more now but will update
Well I been away from this electric pencil for awhile and howdy to Fruity and Jandtaa and all. I need to update this. This year looks to be a good year for our first full year of organic (two years pesticide and poison free) and it appears that our methods are going to show a significant difference in yield, appearance and quality. It should all be cut tomorrow (looking at about 100 man days for 14 rai). i'm not going to go into all the results with our green manuring but as always when beginning "mixed" would be a good description for now, but more later. It appears that I have found the king of Paw Teung seeds and hope to purchase two tons from him this year (hopefully grow all our own thereafter) and am looking at around 25 baht per kilo. Last year found the last seeds in Thailand and had to pay 40. When he is able to perform on this I will post his contacts (the 700 kilos he had for us fell through once so we wait and see and hope he has no problems with his harvest of 2000 rai, purportedly). I would like to try Jandtaa's idea of mixing (pops in law did it with the Sanoh Africa (sesbania rostrata) and Paw Teung and it wasn't a good idea as they both have different growing cycles and didn't incorporate well) and anyway he might know why I told him not to mix those two anyway.
Anyone had any luck finding suppliers of large quantity of seeds for green manuring? I would love to get some rye (cereal). So good news possibly with the price of the Paw Teung alomost cut in half if it happens and I think it will. Will update with all our results later. Fruity it appears that we may have murdered a lot of tadpoles so there will be lots of vacanies in the Froggy Hilton. I'll get you over to see it hopefully in the beginning of Dec. Going after crab in California and tuna in Mexico for now.
HELP HELP HELP I still would like to find a local source of manure (some may remember that I hauled nearly 20 tons of finely broken down cow manure from Hua Hin (660 kilometers) from one of the King's Royal Projects to incorporate into our organic farm and would like to find some kind of source near Buri Ram (yeh good luck, also if they have any gold nuggets in it I will take them at no extra charge also). It appears someone has people going thru the villages searching sources of manure so that's good and bad news. Bad for me but good for the world as it appears that "organic" is making a comeback here. Choke Dee "...I know what I'll do. Buy me a Mercury, I'm crazy 'bout a Mercury, just buy me a Mercury and move it on down the line." For Ever Fords
Posted 2010-08-07 08:03:38
A good read all. I too am dedicating several rai to a forest of various organically grown fruit trees in the Phetchabun mountains. This year I started with small 1 gallon trees and spaced them far apart so when mature the trees can have plenty of space so right now they are sort of like needles in a haystack of weeds. Most everything is doing well save the citrus leaves are being eaten seemingly by caterpillars. The weeds in the area left unchecked grow 3 meters tall and some are thorny. Currently just scythe the weeds periodically to keep them low and away from the trees. I wish to displace the weeds with a green mulch. Does that sound like the right approach? If so, what would be a good choice? If it is something close to optimal that has any edible parts (wing beans?) that would move it to the top of the list. And where should I look to find what I need for sale?
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Posted 2011-07-26 21:54:52
drtreelove, on 2009-01-04 20:02:17, said:
I don't know about your area or about current availability, but in Chiang Mai I got free jack-bean seeds from the 'Land Development Office' (about 10k north of the SuperHwy on the Mae Rim (107) hwy, on the west (Doi Pui) side between the hospital and the (121) ring road).
At that time they had black beans, sesbania and others too. We didn't need a 'tabien baan', only my wife's ID, filled out a form with address and amount of rai. They calculated coverage rates and based the allotment on that; we pulled around back with the pickup and they loaded us up with the appropriate number of sacks of seed. I was only seeding about 4 rai, so I don't know what their upper limit is.
The land development office also does free soil analysis. The only problem is that it takes 45 days (sent to Lampang) and is a very basic NPK report with no interpretation or recommendations. I get better, more complete, 2 week soil analysis reports from Mae Jo University soil science department for 500 baht. And they have a soil science professor available to interpret and make recommendations for amendments if needed.
But you don't need a soil analysis to 'green manure'. don
Hello d treelove
is it possible you can give me the name of the land developmet office in Thai please thank you
Posted 2011-07-27 18:53:11
wigantojapan, on 2011-07-26 21:54:52, said:
drtreelove, on 2009-01-04 20:02:17, said:
I don't know about your area or about current availability, but in Chiang Mai I got free jack-bean seeds from the 'Land Development Office' (about 10k north of the SuperHwy on the Mae Rim (107) hwy, on the west (Doi Pui) side between the hospital and the (121) ring road).
At that time they had black beans, sesbania and others too. We didn't need a 'tabien baan', only my wife's ID, filled out a form with address and amount of rai. They calculated coverage rates and based the allotment on that; we pulled around back with the pickup and they loaded us up with the appropriate number of sacks of seed. I was only seeding about 4 rai, so I don't know what their upper limit is.
The land development office also does free soil analysis. The only problem is that it takes 45 days (sent to Lampang) and is a very basic NPK report with no interpretation or recommendations. I get better, more complete, 2 week soil analysis reports from Mae Jo University soil science department for 500 baht. And they have a soil science professor available to interpret and make recommendations for amendments if needed.
But you don't need a soil analysis to 'green manure'. don
Hello d treelove
is it possible you can give me the name of the land developmet office in Thai please thank you
Hey there guy from Japan wiganto. It's your first post so try it again and re-ernter the i9nfo or question or reason that you wish to be involved in a discussion of green manures and cover crops as your post doesn't ahve any type showing what your interest is. Very dissimilar to mine which shows that i anm the worst typer in the worls and say screw spellcheck. Choke Dee and hope to hear more from you. Sun Hemp Forever on a Ford
Posted 2011-07-30 20:10:49
wigantojapan, on 2011-07-26 21:54:52, said:
drtreelove, on 2009-01-04 20:02:17, said:
I don't know about your area or about current availability, but in Chiang Mai I got free jack-bean seeds from the 'Land Development Office' (about 10k north of the SuperHwy on the Mae Rim (107) hwy, on the west (Doi Pui) side between the hospital and the (121) ring road).
At that time they had black beans, sesbania and others too. We didn't need a 'tabien baan', only my wife's ID, filled out a form with address and amount of rai. They calculated coverage rates and based the allotment on that; we pulled around back with the pickup and they loaded us up with the appropriate number of sacks of seed. I was only seeding about 4 rai, so I don't know what their upper limit is.
The land development office also does free soil analysis. The only problem is that it takes 45 days (sent to Lampang) and is a very basic NPK report with no interpretation or recommendations. I get better, more complete, 2 week soil analysis reports from Mae Jo University soil science department for 500 baht. And they have a soil science professor available to interpret and make recommendations for amendments if needed.
But you don't need a soil analysis to 'green manure'. don
Hello d treelove
is it possible you can give me the name of the land developmet office in Thai please thank you
Hi Wigantojapan. Courtesy of Google, website in Thai & English: http://www.ldd.go.th/
Rgds
Khonwan
Posted 2011-07-30 23:20:13
Khonwan, on 2011-07-30 20:10:49, said:
wigantojapan, on 2011-07-26 21:54:52, said:
drtreelove, on 2009-01-04 20:02:17, said:
I don't know about your area or about current availability, but in Chiang Mai I got free jack-bean seeds from the 'Land Development Office' (about 10k north of the SuperHwy on the Mae Rim (107) hwy, on the west (Doi Pui) side between the hospital and the (121) ring road).
At that time they had black beans, sesbania and others too. We didn't need a 'tabien baan', only my wife's ID, filled out a form with address and amount of rai. They calculated coverage rates and based the allotment on that; we pulled around back with the pickup and they loaded us up with the appropriate number of sacks of seed. I was only seeding about 4 rai, so I don't know what their upper limit is.
The land development office also does free soil analysis. The only problem is that it takes 45 days (sent to Lampang) and is a very basic NPK report with no interpretation or recommendations. I get better, more complete, 2 week soil analysis reports from Mae Jo University soil science department for 500 baht. And they have a soil science professor available to interpret and make recommendations for amendments if needed.
But you don't need a soil analysis to 'green manure'. don
Hello d treelove
is it possible you can give me the name of the land developmet office in Thai please thank you
Hi Wigantojapan. Courtesy of Google, website in Thai & English: http://www.ldd.go.th/
Rgds
Khonwan
Hey Sweet Man what a fantastic site!!! Thanks so ever much. I'm going to repost this website so it doesn't fall through the cracks what a great source. I am getting pretty slow as I completely missed What Wigantojapan was looking for. i just basically opened it up but am reaqlly looking forward to getting into it. Again thanks much. Found at the Ford Forever
Posted 2011-08-03 03:44:03
I looked through this link and not too impressive in the English version but the Thai language site is much larger and hopefully would have a bunch more info for Thai speakers.
http://www.ldd.go.th/ Thailand Land Development Department
Posted 2012-03-08 07:17:25
Just put in another crop of sun hemp but the big news was that the family was finally able to get free seeds from Buriram. Other provinces have been doing this for years but B stands for backwards and Buririam. Of course you couldn't go the 100 kilometers roundtrip they required you got a minimum of 7 people or they wouldn't give the seeds also had some crap about having to have land papers but that was forgotten or jive or whatever. Of course they wouldn't make it available until long after the optimum tiome to plant but what else is new. we are stockpiled for next year and hopefully will be able to get m0re. the soil has greatly imoroved with one year getting three crops in and also heard it is great for people klooking for pollinators for trees etc and have really notice plenty of flying bombadiers buzzing about doing their thing when 100's of thousaqnd of rai lie fallow all around. Fixing N in a Ford Forever
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