Two nights ago in the village of Ban Tai two masked men entered the property of a German long term resident of Koh Phangan, Mr Beckman, and subsequently beat him. When he fought back they pulled out a gun and released two rounds - one of which entered his body. He survived this attempted murder.
The reason he was attacked is that via his website forums at kohphangannews he has launched a peaceful campaign with support of Thai Ban Tai local residents to try to have the closing time of the parties in Ban Tai where he resides controlled as none of the Thai locals can sleep. This includes half moon, shiva moon, black moon, jungle experience parties.
This campaign was ignored for many months by the officials of Koh Phangan who were trying to keep the parties running to what ever time they liked ... then officials in Surat Thani called a meeting and controls were put in place.
Since he started the campaign on his website and in the local community, Mr Beckman had been recieving threatening phonecalls from Thai's men, a number of gunshots were made outside his property, some Thai people came and threatened him and now he has been shot. He is lucky to be alive.
Kohphangannews explains in more detail the lead up to this event.
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Farang German Web Designer Shot On Koh PhanganShooting of German Farang
Started by BIC, 2009-03-31 12:19
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Super Member Posted 2009-03-31 13:43:08
what a terrible violent act..
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Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 14:47:32
seriously what do you expect.this is thailand,dont meddle in things you cannot posibly win.
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Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 14:54:27
Am I imagining this or have some posts already been deleted from this thread including one from sbk?
If so, why? #5
Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 14:57:13
Am I imagining this or have some posts already been deleted from this thread including one from sbk? If so, why? Believe that was a different posting which OP requested to be closed #6
If Carlsberg did Thaivisa members.... Posted 2009-03-31 15:06:20
Am I imagining this or have some posts already been deleted from this thread including one from sbk? If so, why? Believe that was a different posting which OP requested to be closed yes i believe there was another thread running.... but when you take a look at the website and the story he wrote including pictures  , you play with fire and you get burnt ......One golden rule in Thailand is never interfer with something goverment related or mafia related and publise it ...... ( sad fact but true ) But i hope the Mr Beckman makes a full recovery. #7
Mistress Whiplash Posted 2009-03-31 15:07:22
Am I imagining this or have some posts already been deleted from this thread including one from sbk? If so, why? Believe that was a different posting which OP requested to be closed Per OP request, the thread was closed and deleted. #8
Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 15:12:26
seriously what do you expect.this is thailand,dont meddle in things you cannot posibly win. They did it the Thai way. 
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Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 15:12:46
Am I imagining this or have some posts already been deleted from this thread including one from sbk? If so, why? Believe that was a different posting which OP requested to be closed yes i believe there was another thread running.... but when you take a look at the website and the story he wrote including pictures , you play with fire and you get burnt ......One golden rule in Thailand is never interfer with something goverment related or mafia related and publise it ...... ( sad fact but true ) But i hope the Mr Beckman makes a full recovery. I agree. Don't try to use civilised methods. The only thing they understand is their own methods. #10
Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 15:21:16
seriously what do you expect.this is thailand,dont meddle in things you cannot posibly win. I agree entirely. Unless this poor German guy was being directly affected by the noise, why would he want to do anything. And, if the noise was bothering him, he should have moved (if at all possible). I don't know when westeners will ever get it through their thick heads that taking strong action against Thais in general will get then into trouble (maybe even dead). Thais often solve disagreements with others especially foreigners with extreme violence and/or property damage. This is not a country where westeners can sit down and have a frank, open and civil discussion with a Thai to sort out their differences in a mature and reasonable fashion and expect to come to some mutual and fair understanding and solution. For too many Thais the solution is to put a bullet through your head. #11
Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 15:24:56
All my solidarity to mr Beckam and Kohphangan news.
He's brave enough (or reckless?) to write something against the party mafia. But he reminds to me Don Quixote, fighting agains the windmills. Alla my best for a fast recovery and follow to write on KohPhanganNews!! #12
If Carlsberg did Thaivisa members.... Posted 2009-03-31 15:49:58 Quote Alla my best for a fast recovery and follow to write on KohPhanganNews!! I think a lesson should be learnt here ! ......... #13
Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 16:11:04
...don't mess with local affairs.. or bear the consequences!
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Senior Member Posted 2009-03-31 16:25:45
I used to live in Ban Tai. Yes the noise was bad on some nights, depending on the direction of the wind, but I took this as part and parcel of living in Ban Tai. I could have easily moved to any one of the millions of quieter destinations on the island, but Ban Tai suited me and the noise was a negative I could cope with. I feel infinitely more sorry for the locals who have their family houses within the noise polluted area and do not have the option to move as a westerner would, however I think standing in for these people's views (as a westerner) is a mistake.
Everyone knows about the corruption in Thailand, and everyone should know not to get involved with locals with infinitely more power than them. I feel very very sorry for Mr Beckman, but feel that his fight was futile. It is widely recognised that the police are clamping down harder and harder and eventually the parties will die out. This is not due to one westerner's fight but due to the Thai police's increasing desires for control over nightlife, drugs etc. When or if these parties are eventually cancelled (as is the widely held belief) the local tourism trade will be the first to suffer. This is more harmful to Phangan than the parties. Don't bite the hand that feeds. #15
Mistress Whiplash Posted 2009-03-31 16:56:41
The shiva moon, half moon, jungle experience and Black moon parties bring a very tiny fraction of the tourists that attend the full moon party. I seriously doubt that the removal of one or a few of these parties would have the deleterious effect that you suggest.
In fact, the main complaint that I heard was that these parties are constant. Not one a month but the half moon, twice, shiva moon and jungle experience apparently whenever they decided to. A the meeting Beckman attended it was concluded that each group was allowed one party a month. Beckman was just one of many people living in the area involved. Most of them are local thais who do, indeed, have no choice as to moving. #16
Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 17:16:46
I understand many people in KPG come for the parties, but now they are just a fraction of the many more coming in KPG for the beaches, relax, yoga and whatever connected with a real tourism.
Actually the day after any party I can see how business run lower than the usual (most of people crashed in the bungalows or still dancing in the after parties). So, in my opinion, too many parties (don't forget the pool parties every 2/3 days in Drop In and Coral, running until 6 am) are more a damage than an help to this so suffering KPG tourism. And without to forget wich kind of people and situations parties are going to create in both the local environment and the tourist community (drug, fighting, dangers, police bustings, byke accidents, etc) To start the decision to make only four parties a month is a good choice, maybe difficult to digest from the crews doing more than one party a month. Edited by angiud, 2009-03-31 17:18:55. #17
Accidental Hedonist Posted 2009-03-31 18:15:23
To start the decision to make only four parties a month is a good choice, maybe difficult to digest from the crews doing more than one party a month. They tried it several years ago, one tambon-one party. Full Moon plus four different parties, one every week and each week in a different part of the island. Parties were starting late afternoon with some entertainment for the neighborhood kids & families and continued as a "rave" until 6.00am. Local villagers were involved and were able to organize a stand selling drinks or food. Unfortunately, that did not last long... The last one I was attending was in Sreethanu (2003?). #18
Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 18:37:21
som nam na i guess... but also how despicable are the thais who did this.... par for the course in thailand sure, but still disgusting. if i were mr. beckman i would have waited until i left the island to wield my power.
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Newbie Posted 2009-03-31 18:40:23
Becky has lived in Ban Tai for something like 15 years so I guess this makes him about as local as a foreigner can be. From what I hear he is well liked and respected by the local Thai families.
After doing a couple of the dreaded visa-runs with him I started to follow his website. It's a bit of a free-for-all in that people post anything they like - insults, threats, offensive views etc - this particularly came out on the subject of the Ban Tai parties. When I first read the articles about his campaign to move the parties to a place out of ear-shot of where hundreds of villagers were trying to sleep (he was not trying to stop the parties) I did think he was playing with fire due to the type of people involved in the parties and half expected to read a story like this one but hoped I wouldn't. I do agree with his plight and think it is incredibly inconsiderate and disrespectful to have all night parties where large numbers of people are trying to sleep however this is not a fight I would personally like to take on. These articles were first posted on his website a couple of months ago but then one day were removed because of 'the usual threats' as Becky himself put it. Then the party organisers finally met with some of the village leaders and residents at Wat Po after pressure from Surat / Bangkok where a 6am finish rule was agreed upon and only 1 party a month for each of the parties. Becky then re-instated his article on his website. 2 weeks later beaten with a baseball bat and shot 3 times. It's sad to have to admit it but it's just not a good idea to tackle powerful people in Thailand, maybe especially powerful people on Thai Islands - even when you try to go about it in a fairly civilised manner as Becky did. We are guests here and many Thais want us to remember that, especially when it come to affecting their incomes. There are many downsides to the (possibly over-) development which KPG is experiencing but I hope it will bring with it a level of civilisation where shooting a foreign resident because he wants move parties in order to to improve the quality of life for himself and his neighbours does not happen. I think this story will make international news and if so the officials in Surat and Bangkok who Becky has been in contact with can't ignore what has happened. I hope justice is done and the people who did this get what they deserve but sadly I doubt it. I love KPG but this is bad news for the Island and for Thailand. I wish Becky a speedy recovery. #20
Errant Member Posted 2009-03-31 18:59:47
This is really sad and I hope the guy makes a full recovery.
It almost seems like, and I hate to say this, if you have a beef with the locals, you need to decide if you want to strike first in the extremis to send a message that you are not to be played with or leave. That seems to be the only choice. It is not a wonder why some areas attract overseas riff-raff. I know a lot of people complain about this, but what do you expect? I mean what do you expect where violence seems to be the answer for all problems. Really sad.TheWalkingMan #21
Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 19:07:48 Quote I think this story will make international news i kind of doubt that, and even if it does nothing will be done #22
Newbie Posted 2009-03-31 19:26:29
Quote I think this story will make international news i kind of doubt that, and even if it does nothing will be done You could be right but some people on Beckys website have posted that they are reporting this to their embassies. If it does make the news, swift action will be taken but I suspect someone will be made a scapegoat and the real villians here will escape justice. #23
Super Member Posted 2009-03-31 19:38:22
Maybe I am the only one, but I think what this foreigner did was right.
He followed his passion. He did what he thought was right in a manner that appealed to rational minds. That the Thais (in general, in particular, in some cases?) think that "settling" this by shooting him is the best solution is lamentable. If this guy is well respected by locals, his near-martyrdom will not go unnoticed. If no one takes a stand against injustice, where will we be? I see nothing about whether the assailants were found, but given the sloppy way everything is done here, it's hard to know how that will pan out. #24
If Carlsberg did Thaivisa members.... Posted 2009-03-31 19:46:44
anyone have the link that was there this morning showing the story link to the newspaper?
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Platinum Member Posted 2009-03-31 19:48:19
i totally agree with you markwolfe but i learned myself the hard way in KPG that morals don't mean squat and by speaking out you take your life in your hands... so you have to be smart and protect yourself if you are going to go about trying to change things in a culture with totally different playing rules. it's too bad that becki wasn't able to do that. he is brave, but it is also a predictable response in KPG. he probably didn't take the threats as seriously as he should have.
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