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Farang German Web Designer Shot On Koh Phangan
Started by BIC, 2009-03-31 12:19
#53
angiud
Platinum Member Posted 2009-04-04 10:11:49
Funny how some straight facts can be completely rearranged for the use of somebody...
#54
on-on
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-04 11:03:55
Quote The officer said he thought the attackers did not mean to kill Ralf, but possibly wanted to merely threaten him. "I learnt that the attackers knocked on Ralf's house with a baseball bat, but were attacked first by Ralf. So the attackers fired some warning shots," he added. "Anyway, police will take action to locate the attackers," he said. #55
PoorSucker
Expat Member™ Posted 2009-04-04 11:06:14
Better not comment the statement from Pol Colonel Jaroon Uchupharb,
Maybe I can be "uncooperative". 
#56
ollylama
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-04 11:49:02
Beckman sets the record straight. And also shows off his injured ass.
http://kohphangannew...m...cle&sid=263 Edited by ollylama, 2009-04-04 11:57:48. #57
ParadiseLost
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-04 16:01:31
Better not comment the statement from Pol Colonel Jaroon Uchupharb, Maybe I can be "uncooperative". I would at the very least expect the (fairly recently appointed) police chief to condemn such acts of violence and promise to apprehend the crims - NOT make excuses for the armed scum knocking on doors in the dead of night...  Jungle law seems to prevail? 
#58
smartiemarty
Advanced Member Posted 2009-04-04 17:40:50
Chief of Police is probably hauling his most junior officers over the coals right now..... Fancy sending out your newest "armed scum", oops, i mean recruits, and they botch their first assignment!!! Doh! no supplemental tea for them this month....
 and to boot, i expect that there will be more road blocks out in the coming month so that the BiB can replace the monthly "donations" they won't be getting from the party organizers.....On a good note: Glad to see that Beckmann is ok, and judging from his post on his website this story is far from over!! LaterZZzZzZzzz Smartie #59
ClaudeFeller
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-04 18:23:08
A very brave guy!
#60
Mark Wolfe
Super Member Posted 2009-04-04 22:26:27
It never fails to amaze me how the police seem to always turn the victim into a suspect here.
The police chief says: "I learnt that the attackers knocked on Ralf's house with a baseball bat, but were attacked first by Ralf. So the attackers fired some warning shots." How do attackers fire warning shots? What utter BS! Of course the way the victim writes, he seems a bit out there: Quote All you need is a strong and clear connection to the spirits and everything will be fine! #61
Boater
If Carlsberg did Thaivisa members.... Posted 2009-04-04 22:52:10 Quote Uh, ok. Hopefully the mothership will get the transporter working one of these days....  :cheesy:but this guy really needs to keep low now ! #62
on-on
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-04 23:37:56
Uh, ok. Hopefully the mothership will get the transporter working one of these days.... #63
jmdelan5
Member Posted 2009-04-05 10:26:44
Quote Uh, ok. Hopefully the mothership will get the transporter working one of these days.... but this guy really needs to keep low now ! I agree. Look, he's right but he's wrong too. He's technically in the right but he's in a foreign land and his tactics are not going to work. he's escalating it and his attitude (warrior) will get him hurt or killed. being right will not protect him. the police are on the take and money rules in the LOS. either move or accept the noise. and take down that site; it's like a target on his back. what will happen next is a larger, more experience group will get him when he's not prepared and really do a number on him. he should consider another island. #64
Warpspasm
Newbie Posted 2009-04-07 12:55:59
1/ All those who haven't read Becki's "newspaper", do it now.
2/Now tell me he doesn't deserve what he got and if he doesn't stop, much worse. Due to KPNnews myself and a number of associates have lost a sizeable amount of our various incomes over the last half a decade. This at a time when every satang counts. No exaggeration but in the last 3 years I have been killing myself waiting for non-existent customers scared away by Becki and the international media's laziness and ignorance in giving KPNnews.org link out to the world. "Please Stop!" wouldn't work with Batman, he has been on a martyrdom crusade for years. Unfortunately even more harm will be done by those who "grass" to their Embassies. "Please Don't!"? I'm in enough debt, so are ALL my friends, seriously if KPNnews stopped we'd notice an immediate increase, even due to his poxy weather reports! #65
OnTheSnap
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-07 13:03:13
Is KPNnews that big a deal? I never even heard of it until this thread, and I've been in this area for quite a while.
#66
Rooo
Titanium Member Posted 2009-04-07 14:03:57
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angiud
Platinum Member Posted 2009-04-07 14:17:53
First time I have seen KPG news site was when beck gone shot. I don't think this or TV too have the power to influence the tourism in KPG on in any place of thailand.
The only site have some power to dissuade people to go some location IMO is Pattaya one 
#68
smartiemarty
Advanced Member Posted 2009-04-07 14:29:35
1/ All those who haven't read Becki's "newspaper", do it now. 2/Now tell me he doesn't deserve what he got and if he doesn't stop, much worse. Due to KPNnews myself and a number of associates have lost a sizeable amount of our various incomes over the last half a decade. This at a time when every satang counts. No exaggeration but in the last 3 years I have been killing myself waiting for non-existent customers scared away by Becki and the international media's laziness and ignorance in giving KPNnews.org link out to the world. "Please Stop!" wouldn't work with Batman, he has been on a martyrdom crusade for years. Unfortunately even more harm will be done by those who "grass" to their Embassies. "Please Don't!"? I'm in enough debt, so are ALL my friends, seriously if KPNnews stopped we'd notice an immediate increase, even due to his poxy weather reports! What a load of old tosh..... are you seriously telling us that due to one website you income has been affected? Sorry but maybe your income has dropped over the last "half decade" because you haven't changed with the times. The tourists visiting KPG today are VASTLY different from those a decade ago and if you haven't adapted over the last 5 years then it's your own fault. Oh and tourists are not affected in a big way by the continual police corruption, false arrests, local government corruption, and the heavy handed way the "local mafia" sort out their problems..... Maybe you should also consider that acts of violence have increased massively over the last 10 years, just go and hang around the Drop Inn for a few nights and watch how those bar boys treat the customers..... punches, kicks and severe beatings are handed out on a weekly basis.... BUT NO ----- Its all KPGNews Fault....  I have followed beckmanns site for a few years now and overall i think his articles are pertinent and show a dark undercurrent of phangan that most are unaware of. Blaming your loss of income on beckmann is surely a joke, and sounds to me like sour grapes because you can't manage your business. Anyway have fun waiting for your customers......... Laterzzzzz #69
deprogrammed
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-07 14:29:44
seriously what do you expect.this is thailand,dont meddle in things you cannot posibly win. Yes don't stand up for what you know is right - best be a coward and a wimp and let the shit win 
#70
BIC
Member Posted 2009-04-07 15:25:25
I sypathise with both sides and it needs a balenced view.
Sadly with this negative publicity on the world wide web and in newspapers inevitably Phangan businesses sadly will lose money - both Thai and Foreign buisnesses and I really feel for those people who this is affecting. The other side of the story affects the local Thai people who live near the parties and cannot sleep at night and the type of crazy tourists these parties attract with many not spending much money on the island other thank alcohol and cheap rooms. I also understand the party organisers - they want to have a business and the parties are popular so they should be able to do this but maybe they could be better organised if they all worked together to consider make them in an organised zone that does not affect the local population. Create a single party area at least 3Km away from the villagers that all parties could use each on different designated nights. Websites such as Mr Beckman's do impact on people's impression of Koh Phangan- and I must say Koh Phangan is a beautiful island with many nice people - but it is quite a large island and many areas do not have parties such as Thong Nai Pan, Haad Yow, Haad Salad, Haad Thien etc ... and these places are very tranquil. The island is sufferring from it being 'unbalenced' and a more positive appraoch could be adopted if people could work together and promote the island in both directions - a fun party island in some places as well as a beautiful peaceful island in some places. Its very sad that this shooting happened, and I am sad for Mr Beckman as he will probably lose his home in Thailand, but we must all remember that we are guests in Thailand and their rules and workings are not the same as back in the west and we should try and respect that - if not, then at least ignore it. #71
taxexile
Titanium Member Posted 2009-04-07 16:21:23
good post there from smartymarty.
tourists are wising up to the treatment that they may receive in thailand from immigration, police, local thugs, and local "mafia" to say nothing of the decreasing quality of service and the gimme gimme gimme attitude of many thai run businesses in tourist resorts. more power to the press and the net for disseminating this information. #72
goldfish
Idiot Posted 2009-04-07 16:52:57
2/Now tell me he doesn't deserve what he got and if he doesn't stop, much worse. This is a paragraph from the UK foreign office' website There have been a number of incidents in Koh Phangan in 2008 where western tourists have been victims of vicious unprovoked assaults by gangs. These attacks are increasingly common around the time of the Full Moon Parties and generally occur late at night in the vicinity of bars in Haad Rin. You are advised be extremely careful when walking in this area at any time, especially after dark and if possible avoid it altogether. There's more if you wish to look http://www.fco.gov.u...ceania/thailand Please try to understand 'cause and effect' before you undertake anymore violence. I, and many others, had never heard of Mr Beckman's paper until this incident. I had no immediate plans to visit Koh Phangan in the near future, but this one line of yours I quoted has made sure I will probably never set foot on the island again #73
angiud
Platinum Member Posted 2009-04-07 17:07:26 Quote Its very sad that this shooting happened, and I am sad for Mr Beckman as he will probably lose his home in Thailand, but we must all remember that we are guests in Thailand and their rules and workings are not the same as back in the west and we should try and respect that - if not, then at least ignore it. BIC, I remember not so many weeks ago, you try to push to break the 'rules' about Haad Rin situation http://www.thaivisa....=...t&p=2595233 So, respect or break the rules? #74
samuibeachcomber
Platinum Member Posted 2009-04-07 17:14:44
seriously what do you expect.this is thailand,dont meddle in things you cannot posibly win. Yes don't stand up for what you know is right - best be a coward and a wimp and let the shit win easy for you to talk tough behind your faceless keyboard. #75
Samuian
Platinum Member Posted 2009-04-07 17:19:04
I sypathise with both sides and it needs a balenced view. Sadly with this negative publicity on the world wide web and in newspapers inevitably Phangan businesses sadly will lose money - man - this guy almost lost his LIFE! for voicing an opinion... where are we? is it all just the rule of money? is it all just because some are happy skimming... everyone has to shut TFU and go on with his/her own business.. some of this is effecting entire communities... not only on the noise level... get real - there (supposedly) lived people on KPG and made a livin' \BEFORE meth, ice, ex and friends came with their PA's and decided: "this is party time!" Where are we? |
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