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[FreedomDude]

geovalin, on 2009-04-11 10:30:51, said:

Demonstrations and mobs during summits are not something new or strange. In UK and France, we had some last week for the G20 and Otan. Far stronger. But Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and John Major :-) managed to chat together.
Thai police is probably one of the weakest or the less trained in the world.
Are the helicopters made for the dogs? Is Thailand too poor to provide a aircraft / PM?

BINGO!  This whole problem began with the failure of the Thai police to remove the yellow shirts from their encampment in the middle of the road many months prior to their Govt House Occupation. You have to draw a line on the disruption to the public that protests cause. Can they do it in a public park? Yeah! Can you just stay in the middle of the road and block traffic for months? NO! The Thai police and their lack of leadership have failed Thailand now that all groups can now just basically do whatever they want without fear of consequences.

[wxpwzrd]

aussimike, on 2009-04-11 10:29:59, said:

wackysleet, on 2009-04-11 10:21:15, said:

wxpwzrd, on 2009-04-11 10:01:42, said:

Sling shots with bolts and fire bombs... Pretty much shows me what I needed to see about red shirt protestors.

You obviously didn't follow the tv and articles about the yellowshirts with guns shown on tv firing at people, or are you one of the baying mob on here kissing the arse of the incumbent government,it appears from a lot of posters here that it was perfectly ok for the yellows to do what they wanted but not for the reds,hypocrites the lot of them, espousing about democracy my arse your just a baying mob most of you and a lot just getting on the bandwagon.

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER - WELL PUT - THERE SEEMS TO BE SO MANY OPS HERE WITH EXPERT COMMENT AND NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - OSTRICH SYNDROME I THINK -- THEY SUPPORT THE YELLOW TERROR and now will support the new BLUE MOB - or is it that the PAD have just changed they shirt colour - ???? same methods of confrontation - same tactics -- quite possible -

Well, then enlighten everyone with your blinders wide open opinion - which is all it is...

[bangon04]

LennyW, on 2009-04-11 10:38:36, said:

Red shirts, Yellow shirts, Blue shirts, Brown shirts and Dark green shirts, they are all a complete disgrace to Thailand.
Pitiful display of control during an international event such as this!
For a country that puts so much emphasis on not losing face....have they no idea how foolish they look in the eyes of the world right now?!

and since money is such a motivation, how does Thailand benefit from this national foolishness?

[asean]

canopus1969, on 2009-04-11 10:03:01, said:

Well done the Blue Team, even if they were out numbered and out gunned.

They showed the side of reason and how the vast majority of Thai's are fed up with this Red rabble and their mob tactics.

so no one ever got sick of the yellow shirt rabble?

[hammered]

Cant understand why people on here are cheerleading violence. It was wrong when the yellows did it and it is wrong when reds do it.

[h90]

Penquin, on 2009-04-11 10:33:03, said:

Don't be fooled by gorvernment's medias, they lie and give out wrong information like communists..I thought the Red one are the Peoples movement with all that ExCommunists?? Red shirt only asking for a new election, they don't care if Yellow Apisit will be won again and he will be a pure PM come from real electionIf I am not wrong Abhisit was elected in the Parliament the same was as Samak and Somchai before.. Gorvenment fraud stolen Taksin money, they need to return his money that is the main point of the red onetoo. He has a reasonable came from real election and country was growing fast because the statistic is not seeing any increase, more a decreasehe has a brain not Apisit or this gorvernment.

The military dictatorship behind gorvernment should be cleaned up to for the long term democracy future and no coup done by them ay more.. tired to see this when they were starving, they always do this.

Heard blue shirts attacked red but the rocks, I don't believed red did that not really a question of believe, pictures videos local people who saw it.. Blue and Yellow are the same people no blue are local Pattaya people who worry for their economic, I think, that they armed and seized the airport and Thailand lost lots of money since from there 200 billions baht..   If the airport thing reduced the totals country output 25% for this week, Thailand would make a 41 Trillion per year     well where is Apisit will take care of that..? Red shirts are not acted like terrorists no more like normal thugs from the slums.

Just resigned and accepted that you are not an election PM he is an elected PM, the vote in parliament was pretty clear.

[wxpwzrd]

hammered, on 2009-04-11 10:49:47, said:

Cant understand why people on here are cheerleading violence. It was wrong when the yellows did it and it is wrong when reds do it.

Exactly. And where are the police? Getting their 'salary' from the highway traffic.

[NiceGuyUSA]

wackysleet, on 2009-04-11 10:21:15, said:

wxpwzrd, on 2009-04-11 10:01:42, said:

Sling shots with bolts and fire bombs... Pretty much shows me what I needed to see about red shirt protestors.

You obviously didn't follow the tv and articles about the yellowshirts with guns shown on tv firing at people, or are you one of the baying mob on here kissing the arse of the incumbent government,it appears from a lot of posters here that it was perfectly ok for the yellows to do what they wanted but not for the reds,hypocrites the lot of them, espousing about democracy my arse your just a baying mob most of you and a lot just getting on the bandwagon.

When the yellow shirts took over the airport, somebody asked me if I was pro Red or Pro Yellow, I said I was Blue. dam_n, now I need to buy a new shirt. Is there a green group, how about Purple?

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

The ASEAN meeting in Hua Hin went without a hitch.
What is the problem with Pattaya??

[karlski]

Isn't Thaksin just a proxy for the CHINESE GOVT?  Isn't that where he's hiding?  The government says they know where he is, why not reveal it so people can see the meddlers from abroad?

Thailand is a huge resource, and the only "open" zone in Asia to foreigners with any freedom of movement or lack of military junta or other significant danger.

Buy out the rural poor, make them think this is about politics, use their violent nature to sweep to power, or at the very least, create a civil war and have things be as uncertain as possible for as long as possible, so that nothing makes sense anymore to anyone.

This is CLASSIC example of a successful campaign by outsiders to purposely destabilize a country.  This is not just internal strife.

Can someone point out who's meddling in the background if it's not the Chinese?

[mc2]

george, on 2009-04-11 09:34:07, said:

Red-shirts battle blue-shirts in Pattaya

PATTAYA: -- Red-shirted protesters armed with giant firecrackers, Molotov cocktails, sling shots and batons, battled with local people who formed a line to protect the venue of Asean +6 summit venue here Saturday morning.

The clash happened at 8:40 am.

The outnumbered blue-shirted local people was scattered and ran for cover when the red-shirted people attacked them.

Several explosion sounds of firecrackers were heard and the red-shirted people were seen as firing slingshots with bolts at the blue-shirted people who tried formed a line in front of the Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel.

The red-shirted people formed a line and kept advancing until the two sides stood confronting less than one metre apart and the clash broke out.

The red-shirted protesters were seen carrying Molotov cocktails but none had been thrown at the other side yet.

Terrified local residents closed their houses and many were seen weeping with fear.

So far, the security authorities had not step in to stop the clash yet.

-- The Nation 2009-04-11

"weeping with fear"

who are these cowardly residents ? or perhaps just another example of over dramatic reporting from the nation.

its just a protest, not a killing / torture mob.

weeping with fear, what a load of bull


GO REDS

[Old Man River]

drunken, on 2009-04-11 10:37:38, said:

Hammered!... are you seeing this for the first time in Thailand.... ? if so I got nothing say ... but then if you where here last year... have you seen YELLOW shits doing terribly dangerous protest all over Bangkok and in other provinces ...  So what you see today is not even a friction of what yellows did last year...

You have completely missed the point. Completely. Just because the previous government didn't do their jobs in clamping down on the Yellow shirted demonstrators does not mean that the current government should also not do their job.

[FreedomDude]

The sad truth is that censorship laws prevent us from ever having a truly honest debate here on thaivisa pertaining to all the root causes of the curret crises.

[scotbeve]

wxpwzrd, on 2009-04-11 10:01:42, said:

Sling shots with bolts and fire bombs... Pretty much shows me what I needed to see about red shirt protestors.

Sad yes... what was even more sad were the fellows on the hoke law wearing yellow shirts firing guns at opponents. See youTube...

[cougar52]

AnthonyR1, on 2009-04-11 10:31:57, said:

george, on 2009-04-11 09:34:07, said:

The red-shirted protesters were seen carrying Molotov cocktails

-- The Nation 2009-04-11

and what happened to those seen carrying molotov cocktails and/or other weapons????? cnuts should be tossed in jail....and not just for the night, a sentence should be passed out to send a message. if it were up to me i would charge them with terrorism!!!!! fine protest, go ahead but showing up to a protest armed (regardless of the weapon) just shows the intention to do violence is there. dumb shits
and NO i don't support the yellows, i believe all protests that shut down roads, airports, become violent, etc.. are retarded!

May I remind you of several incidents of the PAD; the most blatant was the PAD GUARD going to the airport with supplies along with a fully loaded UZI (Stolen from Government House) on the front seat. As far as I know, he is not on jail either.

[george]

2 red-shirted protesters injured in Pattaya clash

PATTAYA: -- Two red-shirted protesters were injured during their battle with the blue-shirted demonstrators in front of the Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel Saturday morning.

At 9:34 am, the two sides sent representatives to negotiate and agreed to keep a distance between the two groups of demonstrators to avoid more clashes.

-- The Nation 2009-04-11

[surfaxxis]

HydeParke, on 2009-04-11 10:18:59, said:

Enough is enough!! These people in red make me want to 'puke'. They have IQ's that can be counted on their fingers. When one backs a man who gives them 200 baht and promises them the ability to get government loans, THAT THEY MUST REPAY, you know they qualify for 'DIM-WIT' status. When there was controversy in the USA about the 2000 and 2004 general election, you DID NOT see the people who lost gathering in Washington D.C. and doing what these people in red are doing. Thailand is years off of being a Democratically run country, as greed and power are the only driving factors. Just think how selfish and stupid the previous PM was: 76 billion baht and not one baht DONATED to the good of the country: i.e. donations to schools; hosptials; environment; ad infinitum........if he had done this with no outside urging, he would still be PM. His days are numbered, but he doesn't get it still. Why don't his followers ever question how a policeman can become on of the richest men in the country........it sure wasn't by hard work......other elements were at work...don't kid yourself! I think it is now OK for the police and military to step in with VERY HEAVY HANDS!!!! To the reds: when you play with fire you will get burned....tum dii, die dii, tum chua, dii chua!!!!!

Lets face it, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absoluty,,,
At least Taksin has the majority suppot, his government was voted in by the rural poor,, they are not a bunch of low IQ pesants. The yellow shirts took over govt power, and in doing so ruined Thailands image, and tourist industry, and millions of jobs, creating more rural poor. The only solution is dissolution of parliament and hold free and fair elections, and for all to allow that government to govern for its full term.
Stop insulting the people of this country and inciting more trouble by supporting military intervention using weapons on unarmed, relativly peaceful protesters

[AnthonyR1]

FreedomDude, on 2009-04-11 10:48:27, said:

You have to draw a line on the disruption to the public that protests cause. Can they do it in a public park? Yeah! Can you just stay in the middle of the road and block traffic for months? NO! The Thai police and their lack of leadership have failed Thailand now that all groups can now just basically do whatever they want without fear of consequences.

100% accurate IMO dude!
now anyone with some financial backing and a thirst for power sees that not only do these massively disruptive protest go unpunished but they ACTUALLY GET RESULTS!!!!!

[BlackJack]

pattaya was picked in part to promote a different image from the drugs, sex, daily murders.
I say well done guys as you have certainly cemented peoples image of pattaya

[Old Man River]

BEENTHEREDONETHAT, on 2009-04-11 10:54:46, said:

The ASEAN meeting in Hua Hin went without a hitch.
What is the problem with Pattaya??

The Royal Family stay in Hua Hin a good part of the year which means there is a lot of military security present. In Pattaya, you have to rely on the police who have shown themselves to be ineffectual when not armed with explosive gas canisters.

[h90]

cougar52, on 2009-04-11 10:57:03, said:

AnthonyR1, on 2009-04-11 10:31:57, said:

george, on 2009-04-11 09:34:07, said:

The red-shirted protesters were seen carrying Molotov cocktails

-- The Nation 2009-04-11

and what happened to those seen carrying molotov cocktails and/or other weapons????? cnuts should be tossed in jail....and not just for the night, a sentence should be passed out to send a message. if it were up to me i would charge them with terrorism!!!!! fine protest, go ahead but showing up to a protest armed (regardless of the weapon) just shows the intention to do violence is there. dumb shits
and NO i don't support the yellows, i believe all protests that shut down roads, airports, become violent, etc.. are retarded!

May I remind you of several incidents of the PAD; the most blatant was the PAD GUARD going to the airport with supplies along with a fully loaded UZI (Stolen from Government House) on the front seat. As far as I know, he is not on jail either.

Source??

[lordofdelusion]

HydeParke, on 2009-04-11 11:18:59, said:

Enough is enough!!  These people in red make me want to 'puke'.  They have IQ's that can be counted on their fingers.  When one backs a man who gives them 200 baht and promises them the ability to get government loans, THAT THEY MUST REPAY, you know they qualify for 'DIM-WIT' status.  When there was controversy in the USA about the 2000 and 2004 general election, you DID NOT see the people who lost gathering in Washington D.C. and doing what these people in red are doing.  Thailand is years off of being a Democratically run country, as greed and power are the only driving factors.  Just think how selfish and stupid the previous PM was:  76 billion baht and not one baht DONATED to the good of the country: i.e. donations to schools; hosptials; environment; ad infinitum........if he had done this with no outside urging, he would still be PM.  His days are numbered, but he doesn't get it still.  Why don't his followers ever question how a policeman can become on of the richest men in the country........it sure wasn't by hard work......other elements were at work...don't kid yourself!  I think it is now OK for the police and military to step in with VERY HEAVY HANDS!!!!  To the reds: when you play with fire you will get burned....tum dii, die dii, tum chua, dii chua!!!!!

I don't bother to post much in these emotionally charged political threads.  But this is about as clear a summary of the current situation I have seen.  Here, here!!  Well done.       
I've been here just under 3 years.  They have had 5 PM's  Time to grow the f**k up.

Edited by Reimar, 2009-04-11 11:54:02.
change color to black

[spaceshipcrew]

' post=, on 2009-04-11 10:26:37, said:

AMAZING THAILAND.....having a Summit in a in a Russian Mafia controlled city. No to bright.

What do you mean ?

Edited by spaceshipcrew, 2009-04-11 11:03:57.

[tropo]

mc2, on 2009-04-11 10:55:19, said:

george, on 2009-04-11 09:34:07, said:

Red-shirts battle blue-shirts in Pattaya

PATTAYA: -- Red-shirted protesters armed with giant firecrackers, Molotov cocktails, sling shots and batons, battled with local people who formed a line to protect the venue of Asean +6 summit venue here Saturday morning.

The clash happened at 8:40 am.

The outnumbered blue-shirted local people was scattered and ran for cover when the red-shirted people attacked them.

Several explosion sounds of firecrackers were heard and the red-shirted people were seen as firing slingshots with bolts at the blue-shirted people who tried formed a line in front of the Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel.

The red-shirted people formed a line and kept advancing until the two sides stood confronting less than one metre apart and the clash broke out.

The red-shirted protesters were seen carrying Molotov cocktails but none had been thrown at the other side yet.

Terrified local residents closed their houses and many were seen weeping with fear.

So far, the security authorities had not step in to stop the clash yet.

-- The Nation 2009-04-11

"weeping with fear"

who are these cowardly residents ? or perhaps just another example of over dramatic reporting from the nation.

its just a protest, not a killing / torture mob.

weeping with fear, what a load of bull


GO REDS

It's just dramatic reporting.

The protests are going on right outside my apartment. No one is "weeping with fear". Most residents are interested spectators.

GO REDS!

[Acharn]

wackysleet, on 2009-04-11 10:21:15, said:

wxpwzrd, on 2009-04-11 10:01:42, said:

Sling shots with bolts and fire bombs... Pretty much shows me what I needed to see about red shirt protestors.

You obviously didn't follow the tv and articles about the yellowshirts with guns shown on tv firing at people, or are you one of the baying mob on here kissing the arse of the incumbent government,it appears from a lot of posters here that it was perfectly ok for the yellows to do what they wanted but not for the reds,hypocrites the lot of them, espousing about democracy my arse your just a baying mob most of you and a lot just getting on the bandwagon.

I'm with you. The TV footage hasn't shown any weapons, and the leaders seem to have managed to prevent most clashes. A few hot-heads have managed to cause disturbances, but note the Red Shirts don't have a private army (the Srivaya Warriors of the PAD) armed with guns, truncheons, spears, and knives to keep people in line.

As for this report, since it appeared only in the Nation I am very skeptical of its truth. The Nation is in the bag for Sondhi and PAD. Yoon has no shame in distorting facts in his editorials.