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Posted 2009-04-20 17:48:05
 songhklasid, on 2009-04-20 17:27:19, said:
I know what you mean, I hope i'm wrong, but expierience & common dog pond can put suspicions in your mind,My g/f of 1 year has lost 2 phones when she's without it's hard to contact her, so she runs her own race,the other form of contact can be irregular (sister's phone) @ school or friends will not answer me, if it rings & she's home I get to speak to g/f maybe 2 times a week,is this an old trick ,maybe stored phone or sell?any similiar expieriences?
regards songhklasid.
lol are you entirely serious? She makes it next to impossible to contact her and you wonder why? Get a clue man c'mon..... she has other men in her life and she can't risk having you call her all the time while she's with them.
Posted 2009-04-20 18:01:10
Unfortunately, this stuf is more common than not her, regarding any romantic involvement with a Thai lady. Non romantic involvements with Thais, male or female, I have found to be no different than other places I ahve lived & generally they are honest. However, when it comes to a romance, it seem any ethical standards go out the window totally. In my 4 years here there is only one woman that I had any romantic involvement with that I would trust and I have known her for the whole time I have been in Thailand. My most recent sort-of GF, I have known for almost 2 years, but cannot believe much of what she says. Time we spend together is quality time, but it does not carry over to other situations & venues. Much of her life and motivations and involvements with other people just do not add up. I stay with here becasue the time we spend together is the best I have found in a woman here, but the rest of her life I don't understand.
Posted 2009-04-20 18:24:56
samuibeachcomber, on 2009-04-20 18:38:04, said: ..............
If you think scamming is the sole domain of bar girls,think again,
Like I said - I have never been scammed/victim of an attempted scam by my wife.
Furthermore I have never been scammed/victim of an attempted scam by her family, close relatives, distant relatives, friends of the family, their work colleagues or any other Thai people that I mix with in any type of social setting.
If you find yourself being scammed by your wife/gf, their families & their friends I would suggest that you have made a very poor choice of partner & maybe when they have fleeced you of every last baht, you will choose your next partner with a lot more care.
Posted 2009-04-20 18:31:00
one of the greatest scams I ever heard about was a mates g/f who stayed in his condo when he was back in U.K who decided to go out in her gold and visit royal garden plaza pattaya in the daytime, she came to my office crying as I was working over the road saying that she had woken up on one of the benches with no gold  when she calmed down she said someone approached her and asked her to smell a bottle and she did not remember anything else, when I said to her that I know the security company whe operates there and lets go speak to them she became all shy and angry and accused me of not believing her 
what was even worse was my then mate when I explained it all to him got even more short with me and accused me of jealousy towards his relationship 
they really suit each other and are still married and living in U.K, her brother has just finished school in Korat and is now going to University so she has done well and so has the brother, he didn't buy her any more thai gold but treated her to a rolex watch and a gucci bag at bkk airport I got told....I see where she was brought up and have to say a rolex watch and gucci bag go really well down the local shop that sells chang beer and mama noodles 
Posted 2009-04-20 18:46:08
johna, on 2009-04-20 16:17:51, said: yes I have been scammed, and have learned from it, but it was in the UK
in 19 years i have been scammed twice ,once by an english buisnesswoman and once by the guy that empties the cesspit,never ever been scammed by anyone else.
Posted 2009-04-20 19:59:56
LooseCannon, on 2009-04-20 18:24:56, said: samuibeachcomber, on 2009-04-20 18:38:04, said: ..............
If you think scamming is the sole domain of bar girls,think again
Like I said - I have never been scammed/victim of an attempted scam by my wife.
Furthermore I have never been scammed/victim of an attempted scam by her family, close relatives, distant relatives, friends of the family, their work colleagues or any other Thai people that I mix with in any type of social setting.
If you find yourself being scammed by your wife/gf, their families & their friends I would suggest that you have made a very poor choice of partner & maybe when they have fleeced you of every last baht, you will choose your next partner with a lot more care.
i would suggest to you just because up to now you are squeeky clean from all this does not mean it wont happen to you in the future.my advice to you is never say never.it would appear you live up to your name.
Posted 2009-04-20 21:45:37
dave111223, on 2009-04-20 17:04:15, said: G54, on 2009-04-20 15:41:42, said: Surely if a man is helping a Thai lady out, if a man is paying the rent, the electric, food, nights out and such, we could or should expect some honesty in return from our girlfriends?
Your paying to have a Thai g/f and you "expect some honesty"???
There might be a few things you'd expect to get out of that situation; honesty aint one of them.
That does not say I am paying to have a Thai g/f. It says I am paying the electric, rent etc. and that would be in the house where I live that she moved into. Paying for nights out in restaurants etc, isn't that the normal thing to do with a g/f ??
Helping out would be buying the milk.
Other time was when I lived at a ladies house. Her house. I paid the electric and water etc there too. Seemed fair enough to me.
But it is also about more than ladies, as I stated in the original post.
Had a male friend who seemed Ok but I was not certain about. Knew him 6 months or so. Anyway, he took me to the airport in my motor. He got paid by me for taking time off work to do so. That was fair in my mind.
He offered to pick me up when I got back. So I left him my ATM card. Not much in the account. 5k Baht or so. Enough to get the petrol for him to pick me up from the airport and have maybe 3500 left.
When I went to the ATM it was empty. Account suspended.
Again, it is not the amount of money - which is a small amount, but the trust factor.
The point of the post being the way trust is eroded. Makes you wary of others and cynical and distrusting.
Posted 2009-04-20 21:52:21
Sabum, on 2009-04-20 17:16:02, said: Ive never been scammed. But Im not an old man that needs to buy my "friends". Look... if you are old and want to sleep with young women you must pay, pretty simple really. If you are being scammed by people that you are not sleeping with than why is that happening? If someone asks me for money for ANYTHING, my response is immediately no, unless its like my best friend (can't see how that would be a Thai person but anything is possible I guess).
G54, if non lovers are asking for money why would you even consider it? Are you the saviour of Thailand and all its poor people?
"The money had to be paid the following morning at 9 a.m. The lady in question needed 'help'. Help being the operative word."
Well, in that instance I was expecting to be asked to help towards the 9k. Not pay the lot. Yes, I was considering helping out, that is not the same as '9k now' demand that I refused.
Posted 2009-04-20 21:58:40
keithlee, on 2009-04-20 17:21:28, said: eek, on 2009-04-20 16:08:18, said: LooseCannon, on 2009-04-20 16:06:13, said: G54, on 2009-04-20 15:41:42, said: I am sure many of us here have been scammed by our g/f / partners and maybe we do not know about it.
I think that you need to be a bit more discerning in the way you choose your partners.
Alternatively, try another country as your recent posts have shown you suffer from a severe lack of judgement when selecting Thais as friends.
Nor I.
no scam stories from me. i dont intend to marry bargirls.
Bar girls?? it does say in bold as you highlighted, g/f or partners. So, what bar girls? I have never yet dated a bar girl. These are ladies (sorry GH) that work in shops, markets etc. In a provincial town.
And I sincerely believe that many of these ladies are every bit as well versed in ways to scam as that other type of lady (sorry GH) you mention.
A woman said, today, 'It is the Pattaya effect. Spreads outwards.'
Posted 2009-04-20 22:03:13
Problem is a lot of foreigners just don't know they have been or are being scammed. That's why the prominent ones aimed at foreigners are so successful (gem scam, Erawan Shrine scam etc, etc, etc).
Ignorance is bliss, for some. The sting comes later however.
25 years in Thailand and I don't trust any Thais.
Served me well in my time.
And when I say I don't trust that doesn't imply dishonesty only, [OP does not trust Thais to] do a job or finish a task properly either.
Edited by Sheryl, 2009-04-21 10:02:49.
anti-Thai generalization deleted by Mioderator
Posted 2009-04-20 22:04:16
JimShortz, on 2009-04-20 17:39:42, said: On the milk thing....
I've got a three year old and he gets through 3 or 4 big boxes of milk each month. Depends on the kid...
Really?
And I am not looking to call you a liar or cause a problem.
When I first mentioned it to a friend, in passing as we were talking about a variety of subjects, she was gobsmacked at 4 boxes a month for a 2 year old. After I thought about it and recalled an English friend with a baby same age, his Thai g/f told me there was no way a 2 year old was going to to drink that much milk. As well as solid foods they have water and juice. Whereas a 4 month old might drink 4 boxes of milk.
Posted 2009-04-20 22:07:14
CharlieB, on 2009-04-20 17:44:42, said: G54, on 2009-04-20 09:41:42, said: Another one.
Yesterday I discover how much milk a 2 year old baby drinks - on average - in a month. Now I understand I was being scammed again.
Due to having a lot of aggravation going on in the background at this particular time, I did not even consider how much milk a 2 year old would consume in a week, never mind in a month.
I went to the shops with the lady in question and I paid for the milk. No problem 750 Baht a box (big box). Next week was the same. Every Monday for maybe 3 months. 4 large boxes of milk a month at 750 Baht each.
Now I discover a 2 year old will consume about 1 box a month. Not 4.
Begs the question of what was happening to the other 3 boxes.
To my mind, they were being sold on. No way was the baby drinking that much. So this small scam netted her nearly 3,000 Baht a month.
If it had not been for a chance conversation, I would never even have thought I was being scammed over the milk.
It's not 100% that this woman was scamming you. All kids are different. My daughter is 20 months now (not far off 2) and still drinks about a box of 1+ milk in maybe a week. It would also depend on how big the boxes are as well. The milk we get is about 900g per tub.
Twin boxes. 850g per box. so 1700 g a week.
Posted 2009-04-20 22:15:59
Well, out of 6 g/f that started out wanting nothing, 4 of those have ended up working some sort of scam after 3 months or so.
Now, that may well be my fault entirely.
Maybe because I am happy to hand over phone cards, buy clothes, take them out, make no financial demands on them from their wages.
They would never get a house or car out of me and I tell them that.
Come to think of it, these things often start along the lines of, 'Mother wants to know when we will marry and how much you will give.'
Or, 'Mother says if you give 6 Baht gold, I can live you same same wife.'
Naturally, I refuse. Tell them straight I will not buy a wife. LOL, now I see a pattern developing here, in retrospect. Maybe that is why this starts? I do not know.
Posted 2009-04-21 03:27:22
norrona, on 2009-04-20 18:31:00, said: one of the greatest scams I ever heard about was a mates g/f who stayed in his condo when he was back in U.K who decided to go out in her gold and visit royal garden plaza pattaya in the daytime, she came to my office crying as I was working over the road saying that she had woken up on one of the benches with no gold when she calmed down she said someone approached her and asked her to smell a bottle and she did not remember anything else, when I said to her that I know the security company whe operates there and lets go speak to them she became all shy and angry and accused me of not believing her
what was even worse was my then mate when I explained it all to him got even more short with me and accused me of jealousy towards his relationship
they really suit each other and are still married and living in U.K, her brother has just finished school in Korat and is now going to University so she has done well and so has the brother, he didn't buy her any more thai gold but treated her to a rolex watch and a gucci bag at bkk airport I got told....I see where she was brought up and have to say a rolex watch and gucci bag go really well down the local shop that sells chang beer and mama noodles
Her stolen (or take away) gold can be true, I heard of this kinda same story sometimes and once from my staff's real story
But I don't understand how come she had to talk this to you.. what for? why didn't she go to report this to police?
I guess it also scam to you... asking for money..
As reading, I feel it is so scary for foreigners to live here in LOS..
Really ashamed... but I am not smart enough to solve this... Thai girls and the deceiving.. (Let our PM helps you..haha..)
You guys, must be more stronger, try not to easily surrender to Thai girls' beauty.. also the poverty..
Thailand is agricultural country..no way to be starving.. Poor Thai can be fine if they will not spend the money with materialistic stuffs..
Posted 2009-04-21 03:40:35
G54, on 2009-04-20 16:07:14, said: CharlieB, on 2009-04-20 17:44:42, said: G54, on 2009-04-20 09:41:42, said: Another one.
Yesterday I discover how much milk a 2 year old baby drinks - on average - in a month. Now I understand I was being scammed again.
Due to having a lot of aggravation going on in the background at this particular time, I did not even consider how much milk a 2 year old would consume in a week, never mind in a month.
I went to the shops with the lady in question and I paid for the milk. No problem 750 Baht a box (big box). Next week was the same. Every Monday for maybe 3 months. 4 large boxes of milk a month at 750 Baht each.
Now I discover a 2 year old will consume about 1 box a month. Not 4.
Begs the question of what was happening to the other 3 boxes.
To my mind, they were being sold on. No way was the baby drinking that much. So this small scam netted her nearly 3,000 Baht a month.
If it had not been for a chance conversation, I would never even have thought I was being scammed over the milk.
It's not 100% that this woman was scamming you. All kids are different. My daughter is 20 months now (not far off 2) and still drinks about a box of 1+ milk in maybe a week. It would also depend on how big the boxes are as well. The milk we get is about 900g per tub.
Twin boxes. 850g per box. so 1700 g a week.
She's either:
i) Scamming you for a stupidly small bit of cash. ie the kid gets through 2 boxes a month and she sells the others 2 on for maybe 3 or 4 hundred baht each to someone else in the area.
ii) Not feeding the kid anything else and he's drinking so much due to no other source of food.
iii) Got a very hungry kid.
Posted 2009-04-21 07:24:53
samuibeachcomber, on 2009-04-20 20:59:56, said: [b] i would suggest to you just because up to now you are squeeky clean from all this does not mean it wont happen to you in the future.my advice to you is never say never.it would appear you live up to your name.
You seem to have made some very poor decisions in your life that have resulted in you being surrounded by people that want to scam you. I am sure you know exactly what needs to be done to rectify your situation.
Posted 2009-04-21 07:49:37
norrona, on 2009-04-20 18:31:00, said: one of the greatest scams I ever heard about was a mates g/f who stayed in his condo..............and angry and accused me of not believing her
what was even worse was my then mate when I explained it all to him got even more short with me and accused me of jealousy towards his relationship
they really suit each other and are still married and living in U.K, her brother has just finished school in Korat and is now going to University so she has done well and so has the brother, he didn't buy her any more thai gold but treated her to a rolex watch and a gucci bag at bkk airport I got told.... I see where she was brought up and have to say a rolex watch and gucci bag go really well down the local shop that sells chang beer and mama noodles
I can't immagine for one moment why he thought he saw the little green demon of spite and envy in you!!
Posted 2009-04-21 07:53:13
Oh the land of smiles, just keep in mind that behind all those smiles  LURK some evil evil Scammers> Beware all.
Posted 2009-04-21 08:04:52
We have a neighbour who is with a Brit who works in Europe and only visits a few times each year. Last year his brother and Thai wife and young child came over from UK for a visit and stayed in their nice house.
When he moved on after a week she asked him for 5000 Baht for 'rent' and not tell your 'brother'. Well he may have not but his wife certainly told everyone in the Moo.
Posted 2009-04-21 08:12:59
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Things you describe are pretty typical and happen all the time. What makes me laugh are the guys who think their wife/GF is not like that. I know a guy whose wife rips him off on a daily basis but he just cannot see it. Recently the bitch found some locals in banock to cut up some of their wood which was going to take about two weeks. She 'knocked them down' to 100,000 baht, funny how this round number seems to apply to so many things. My friend thinks he got a good deal, not bad pay back home never mind in Buri Ram My wife does this sort of thing a lot but at least I know and it's normally only a few baht. Of course the biggest scam is sin sod and it goes on from there.
Posted 2009-04-21 08:16:07
G54, on 2009-04-20 22:15:59, said: Well, out of 6 g/f that started out wanting nothing, 4 of those have ended up working some sort of scam after 3 months or so.
Now, that may well be my fault entirely.
Maybe because I am happy to hand over phone cards, buy clothes, take them out, make no financial demands on them from their wages.
They would never get a house or car out of me and I tell them that.
Come to think of it, these things often start along the lines of, 'Mother wants to know when we will marry and how much you will give.'
Or, 'Mother says if you give 6 Baht gold, I can live you same same wife.'
Naturally, I refuse. Tell them straight I will not buy a wife. LOL, now I see a pattern developing here, in retrospect. Maybe that is why this starts? I do not know.
quite a large sample here. 4 out of 6 wanted money and took time for it to show!
god help you guys who think its all bout lub! age difference is first clue!
Edited by Sheryl, 2009-04-21 09:58:30.
offensive to Thai women
Posted 2009-04-21 09:23:56
G54, on 2009-04-20 22:15:59, said: Well, out of 6 g/f that started out wanting nothing, 4 of those have ended up working some sort of scam after 3 months or so.
Now, that may well be my fault entirely.
Maybe because I am happy to hand over phone cards, buy clothes, take them out, make no financial demands on them from their wages.
They would never get a house or car out of me and I tell them that.
Come to think of it, these things often start along the lines of, 'Mother wants to know when we will marry and how much you will give.'
Or, 'Mother says if you give 6 Baht gold, I can live you same same wife.'
Naturally, I refuse. Tell them straight I will not buy a wife. LOL, now I see a pattern developing here, in retrospect. Maybe that is why this starts? I do not know.
For sure it's a pattern. The best you can usually do is to minimize the money demands and reach some sort of agreement on the limits of what you will give and what she will give you in return. My current lady is a part-timer for xx bht per mo. She says she has no interest in marriage. I ahve met her mother & another family member a couple of times. She is quite an unusual woman in many ways, but quite frustrating, because I would like a more invilved relationship with her and cannot get it & unlikely money (or not enough of it) is really the problem.
Posted 2009-04-21 09:35:57
mr a
where are you meeting your girlfriends?
Posted 2009-04-21 09:49:41
If you keep getting ripped off by Thais you are hanging out with the wrong crowd. While Thailand contains its fair share of dishonest people, I don't think it is any greater than elsewhere, and a far cry better than many places. I cannot count the number of times Thais have returned things I have forgotten or lost, or picked up money that has dropped out of my pocket in public (I don't use a wallet and its drives my wife crazy). I could not count the number of times people have told me that a bill is about to fall out of my pocket too. One of the more honest peoples in my opinion. While saying all that, I know my experience would be very much different if I lived in some tourist trap area or married a less-then trustworthy partner. But extrapolating from those experiences to say that 'All Thais' are x and x is just stupid. If your wallet gets stolen back home is your first conclusion that all your countrymen are thieves? I doubt it.
P.S. This now marks the second time that I am in complete agreement with Guesthouse (re Ladies). Stop it, please!
Posted 2009-04-21 09:56:34
Genrally in Asia / Thailand you have to have you wits about you more so than in Europe. There is basically two types of scam / confidence tricks.
1) The short con - Example - Tuk tuk driver taking you to gem stores, tailors etc Over priced services.
2) The long con - Example -Marriage to someone who is looking to buy land and house cars etc and then dumping the partner once the funds begin to dry up.
Most farangs fall for the long con, which the Thais are excellent at carrying out.
That said there many farang confidence tricksters in Thailand - normally they have been tricked themselves in the past so they know how to do it, Kind of like the abused becomes the abuser.
Scams are very common here.
GFL
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