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Thailand On High Alert For Swine FluMinistry calls for calm, says virus not found in Thailand
Started by george, 2009-04-27 09:52
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Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 11:47:49
I just love it when Thai's put out some ridiculous statement like this: [i]In Chiang Mai, no order has been given at the international airport to quarantine Mexicans who might arrive, although there are no direct flights landing there, airport director Juturongkhaphol Sodmanee said.  You just know know thai way; no need to order quarantine for Mexicans coming into Thailand because there are no direct flights landing there (Mexico). Newspapio de Mexico City said they closed the airport cuz they dont want any asians comin into their country with bird flu. BTW how many Mexican tourists does Thailand get each year??????? ur ur pac mah mai katord kuhp #28
Advanced Member Posted 2009-04-27 11:47:49
"Pubic Health Minister Witthaya Kaewparadai .... What are the responsibilities of "A Pubic Health Minister"? Is this minister for the female population only? 
#29
Super Member Posted 2009-04-27 11:50:08
I am not sure if that is the case with this flu...if it is following previous spanish flu pandemic pattern in which the most at risk are actually the 25-45 age group (which seems to be the case in Mexico city) then it would seem those with a stronger immune system actually suffer more. I am reading various articles and they are quoting something to do with massive cytokine release from a healthy immune system as a defense reaction to the virus can actually cause huge damage... here's hoping this is just a hyped up media scare to distract us from the economy meltdown!  Ok, so I'm out for Chang and ciggies to lower my immune system 
#30
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 11:57:07
I am not sure if that is the case with this flu...if it is following previous spanish flu pandemic pattern in which the most at risk are actually the 25-45 age group (which seems to be the case in Mexico city) then it would seem those with a stronger immune system actually suffer more. I am reading various articles and they are quoting something to do with massive cytokine release from a healthy immune system as a defense reaction to the virus can actually cause huge damage... here's hoping this is just a hyped up media scare to distract us from the economy meltdown! Ok, so I'm out for Chang and ciggies to lower my immune system #31
Advanced Member Posted 2009-04-27 11:58:40
Seriously, epidemics have happened all the time. Scientists have made us believe that they have all under control, a vaccin against everything, but nature is working and coming up with new threats. Let's hope they find another quick fix, but get used to the fact that our live is not as safe as scientists and technocrates believe. Nature??? Or people breeding animals in factories, giving them factory-produced food and "boosting" their depleted immune system with artificial drugs? And forget about the quick fix, the only solution is to go back to a "natural" lifestyle. No GM, pesticides, growth hormones, anti bacteria, ... #32
Diaper Changin' Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:06:24 Quote so, don't walk, run to the nearest hospital and ask for a Tamiflu shot, no garrauntee - but an offense is the best defense.......... The only other treatment is Amantadine trade name Symmetrel a medication primarily used to treat Parkinson's disease, but after the scares of bird flu and SARS was found to be another effective antiviral. Don't panic, if you are in general good health you will be fine. Antibiotics DO NOT DO ANYTHING AGAINST VIRAL INFECTIONS, flu is viral. If you get sick, rest, drink plenty of fluids and take care of yourself, otherwise relax... You have a better chance of the International Space Station landing on your head than being killed by any form of flu. #33
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:09:56
Glad the Thai govt. is thinking about Mexicans flying into Chiang Mai Airport on non-existant flights... Guess they forgot to think or mention about Suvarnabhumi.... Mexican airlines do not fly direct to Chiang Mai, they do transit from Singapore, Hong Kong and others they DO fly into the international airport in Chiang Mai. Travelers from Mexico transiting to other international airports are screened, pilots and aircraft staff have been alerted to report any sic passenger from the effected areas (NOTAMS) web site has the data. Travelers were being asked if they visited flu-stricken areas. We know that some viruses and bacteria can live 2 hours or longer on surfaces like cafeteria tables, doorknobs, and desks. Frequent handwashing will help you reduce the chance of getting contamination from these common surfaces. Be smart keep stuff clean. Cook your pork well done and for pete's sake dont eat Nam(raw sour pork) or the grilled nam sasuages. As with ANY flu, wash your hands often, avoid direct contact with live pigs, chickens and stray animals. Note that the N1H1 virus came from sick birds infecting pigs which infected humans. Incubation periods vary from 24 to 72 hours enough for migrating birds to spread the virus. CDC has determined that this swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is contagious and is spreading from human to human, Stage 6 pandemic H1N1 is a subtype of the species Influenza A virus. The "H" refers to the Hemagglutinin protein, and the "N" refers to the Neuraminidase protein. H1N1 has mutated into various strains including the Spanish Flu strain (now extinct in the wild), mild human flu strains, endemic pig strains, and various strains found in birds. A variant of H1N1 was responsible for the Spanish flu pandemic that killed some 50 million to 100 million people worldwide from 1918 to 1919.[1] A different variant exists in pig populations. This is 2009 and most folks with common sense know how to take care of them selves there were many things we did not know in 1918! #34
Diaper Changin' Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:25:10
Why worry about swine flu anyways. Death by gun, knife, taxi, motorcycle, tuk-tuk, bargirl/boy, police brutality, gangs, Red Shirts, Yellow Shirts, etc etc...
Isn't this "Possible Pandemic" a nice distraction?? #35
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:27:33
Sod it we are all doomed I SAY DOOMED!
#36
Newbie Posted 2009-04-27 12:28:36
INFORMATION about swine flu including symptoms, treatment and what to do if you think you have it. What is swine flu?
Swine Influenza (Swine flu) is a highly contagious respiratory disease caused by one of several swine influenza A viruses that leads to outbreaks in pigs and occasionally infects humans. It is spread among pigs by aerosols, direct and indirect contact, and asymptomatic carrier pigs, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). It is not yet known how easily the virus can spread between people, though human-to-human transmission has occurred in some instances. What are the signs and symptoms of swine flu in humans? Symptoms of swine flu in humans are similar to that of the regular flu, including fever, cough, sore throat, aching body, headache, chills, fatigue, diarrhoea and vomiting. Severe illness including pneumonia and respiratory failure have been reported as being caused by swine flu in people. The virus may heighten the severity of underlying chronic medical conditions, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). How is swine flu spread? Swine influenza A is thought to spread in the same way as seasonal flu, from person to person through coughing or sneezing of people with influenza. It is possible to become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it and then touching the mouth or nose. Those infected with the virus can spread it to others one day before symptoms develop and a week or more after becoming sick. Young children may be contagious for longer periods. How can I avoid catching the virus? There is no vaccine currently available to protect against swine flu. The best ways to prevent catching the virus include avoiding contact with people who are ill, trying not to touch surfaces that may be contaminated with the virus, staying in good general health and being physically active, getting lots of sleep, reducing stress, drinking lots of fluids and eating nutritious food. It is also important to limit the spread of germs by washing your hands, covering your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze and throwing the used tissue away, as well as avoiding touching your eyes, nose or mouth. How common is swine flu infection in humans? The CDC have received reports of approximately one human swine influenza virus infection every one to two years in the US, but from December 2005 through February 2009, 12 cases of human infection with swine influenza have been reported. What countries are affected by outbreaks in pigs? The disease is considered endemic in the US and outbreaks in pigs are known to have occurred in the US, Europe, Africa and parts of eastern Asia including China and Japan. Is it safe to eat pork meat and pork products? Yes, swine flu has not been shown to be transmissible to people through eating properly handled and prepared pork, according to the WHO. I think I’ve got swine flu, what should I do? Contact your health care provider if you are worried about your symptoms and if you live in areas where swine flu cases have been identified. If you are sick you should stay home and avoid contact with other people as much as possible to avoid spreading your illness, according to the CDC. Adults who experience these warning signs should seek urgent medical attention: Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath <LI>Pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen <LI>Severe or persistent vomiting <LI>Sudden dizziness <LI>Confusion Children who experience these warning signs should seek urgent medical attention: <LI>Fast breathing or trouble breathing <LI>Bluish skin colour <LI>Flu-like symptoms improve but then return with fever and worse cough <LI>Not waking up or not interacting <LI>Being so irritable that the child does not want to be held <LI>Not drinking enough fluids <LI>Fever with a rash Treating swine flu The use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with the swine influenza viruses is recommended by the CDC. Taking antiviral drugs such as pills, liquids or inhalers within two days of experiencing symptoms can provide relief and may prevent serious complications. Major disease outbreaks throughout history Swine flu, 2009, has killed 86 people and affected possibly 1400 others in Mexico since April 13. There are 20 confirmed cases in five US states and suspected cases in Canada and France, and 10 people have tested positive for influenza A in New Zealand. SARS, 2003, the World Health Organisation reported 8098 infected cases and 774 deaths from SARS, which was first reported in China then spread to more than two dozen countries in the US, Europe and Asia. There was one confirmed case in Australia. Avian flu, 1997, killed at least 200 people in Indonesia, Vietnam, Laos, Romania, China, Russia and Turkey and millions of poultry in Asia, Europe and Africa. The death of a Chinese woman from this virus was recorded earlier this year. Asian flu, 1957, killed one million people around the world and was thought to have started in China. Spanish flu pandemic, 1918, led to the deaths of between 20 to 100 million people worldwide and was thought to have originated in the US, spreading as far as the remote Pacific Islands. Black Death plague, 1340s, killed 75 million people worldwide and was thought to have begun in Asia, spreading to Europe and North Africa. #37
Newbie Posted 2009-04-27 12:31:46
Here's a great article on this topic with some interesting additional background on Tamiflu and the last "swine flu craze".
Dallas County Texas Medical Director: Swine Flu "Was Cultured In A Laboratory" www.infowars.com/medical-director-swine-flu-was-cultured-in-a-laboratory/ #38
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:37:19
Quote so, don't walk, run to the nearest hospital and ask for a Tamiflu shot, no garrauntee - but an offense is the best defense.......... The only other treatment is Amantadine trade name Symmetrel a medication primarily used to treat Parkinson's disease, but after the scares of bird flu and SARS was found to be another effective antiviral. Don't panic, if you are in general good health you will be fine. Antibiotics DO NOT DO ANYTHING AGAINST VIRAL INFECTIONS, flu is viral. If you get sick, rest, drink plenty of fluids and take care of yourself, otherwise relax... You have a better chance of the International Space Station landing on your head than being killed by any form of flu. What? You are NUTS!  First off there is injectable form of Tamiflu Second adamantine is misspelled but never mind that it is not used in prevention only in treatment after the fact. This new strain can be treated with Tamiflu and Relenza, but not two older flu drugs of which one is adamantine! Third if you get sic see your doctor don’t take quack advice of this idiot telling you to drink fluids and relax! And fourth there has never been in the recording of history of someone being hit by space junk EVER!! But there has been more than 100 million people killed by the flu viruses of various descriptions. This is not a time to panic but this is a time to use extreme caution. This is a dangerous virus and it can kill you. Truth of the matter There is no vaccine available right now to protect against swine flu. There are everyday actions that can help prevent the spread of germs that cause respiratory illnesses like influenza. Take these everyday steps to protect your health: • Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. • Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective. • Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. • Try to avoid close contact with sick people. • If you get sick with influenza, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. If you become ill and experience any of the following warning signs, seek emergency medical care. In children emergency warning signs that need urgent medical attention include: Fast breathing or trouble breathing Bluish skin color Not drinking enough fluids Not waking up or not interacting Being so irritable that the child does not want to be held Flu-like symptoms improve but then return with fever and worse cough Fever with a rash In adults, emergency warning signs that need urgent medical attention include: Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath Pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen Sudden dizziness Confusion Severe or persistent vomiting The truth can be found here http://www.cdc.gov/s...wineflu_you.htm #39
Observant member Posted 2009-04-27 12:44:28
No you can not get it fromeatijng properly cooked pork,
unless the server human has it and coughs or wipes his nose and then hands on the meat before serving it. You can get it from the waitress, but not the meat. You can get it from a live pig that has it. But a big point the vector of tramsision to here is not via live or dead pigs, but by people on international flights, so the HUMANS won't be transmitting it to the local pigs. And not likely to the local birds either, so our Thai pork is fine. From animals Bird flue is still the main thing here. BUT the worry is about infected travelers, and this is real. BUT only a bad issue IF the government is not prepared to deal with it properly. It seems after SARS that Thailand's, and China's, health authorities learned the lesson about hiding the facts and are now being up front about dealing with this. When there is a break down of screening and prophilactic quarentines of existing cases HERE, is when local worry need be applied. But better we are aware of the situation and not being ostriches about it, over conspiracies real or faux, lack of proper information, or just enui. #40
Newbie Posted 2009-04-27 12:48:53
Seriously, epidemics have happened all the time. Scientists have made us believe that they have all under control, a vaccin against everything, but nature is working and coming up with new threats. Let's hope they find another quick fix, but get used to the fact that our live is not as safe as scientists and technocrates believe. I hope you mean that people have come to think that science has an answer to everything, rather than that scientists themselves are telling you that everything is under control. They wouldn't do so ... and if you want to be cynical, then one of the reasons is because they need money for research  .
The only other treatment is Amantadine trade name Symmetrel a medication primarily used to treat Parkinson's disease, but after the scares of bird flu and SARS was found to be another effective antiviral. Don't panic, if you are in general good health you will be fine. Antibiotics DO NOT DO ANYTHING AGAINST VIRAL INFECTIONS, flu is viral. If you get sick, rest, drink plenty of fluids and take care of yourself, otherwise relax... You have a better chance of the International Space Station landing on your head than being killed by any form of flu. A reminder for us all to be level-headed, but I would still like to say that it is a good idea to be aware of any changes in your health, even if you generally consider yourself strong and healthy. Also, this particular strain appears to be resistant to amantadine, but sensitive to oseltamivir and zanamivir. See: cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58d0424a1.htm
Second adamantine is misspelled but never mind that it is not used in prevention only in treatment after the fact. This new strain can be treated with Tamiflu and Relenza, but not two older flu drugs of which one is adamantine! Actually, gunnyd didn't misspell it. Adamantane is a class of compounds that covers two influenza drugs, amantadine and rimantadine. Edited by Levanter, 2009-04-27 12:53:47. #41
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 12:57:40
I don't think the swine flu comes from eating cooked pork, I would think it would probably be more from swine ingredients in vaccines and medication. The post had an article of a genetically modified breed of pigs that are to be bred specifically for use of transplanting their organs into humans. Don't eat your donor. The swine flu outbreak, is perfectly timed. Massive collapse of the system, martial law can be declared and suspending the constitution can be done by the president, no permission necessary, compliments of "w". The FEMA camps are staffed and on alert, the train cars are connected and standing by, and what a great time to declare a state of emergency. Weeks back on coast to coast am, a woman called in the said that swine flu was being mixed with a more aggressive strain of the flu. If Mexicans are the culprit, maybe the US should round them all up and quarantine them all. It's been done before to the Japanese, does history repeat itself? only if it worked then. On a positive not, I heard yesterday that increasing doses of vitamin C certainly helps, that's what i would do, that and turmeric. That's all folk! You forgot two things: 1: A reference or source. 2: Nostradamus who must have predicted all this. #42
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 13:17:26
Well they said it was comming in one shape or type the pandemic Flu..So there is anti viral drugs that work i.e. Tamiflu but where is the source we can buy them? Ok no probs I've checked they are not available to buy here in the North and yes they should be administered in the Hospitals where people have been checked for that type of virus..But i would like to know if the hospitals in the north chiang rai do have them? thinking of my family here...Thailand said they were going to produce a generic version I hope they did and if not they imported the real thing from Roach..????
#43
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 13:25:41
so that means avoiding public places or overcrowed places like tesco where common people do not mind or do not know what basic hygiene is... coughing, sneezing on food, other people, without covering mouth... the handles of the shopping cart or a dream for bacteries / virusses to be transmitted...  ...
#44
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 13:31:44
I think i am ok and wont get this swine fever because
a/ I am too old b/ I dont eat pork c/ i dont go near pigs, except the ones in brown d/ the gf is always following me around wiping and cleaning everything i touch e/ the gf told me the Thai government will not allow it into Thailand f/ i am more likely to die from pollution from all the burning up here in the north Not everyone dies from it who gets it. There are always survivors anyhow. So dont panic. Just pray it doesnt keep the tourists away from thailand #45
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 13:34:12
It's just one bad news after another, isn't it.
Just take precautions, keep your cool, take the "news" with a grain of salt... this isn't Armageddon, not yet at least. #46
Advanced Member Posted 2009-04-27 13:36:38
The disease is endemic in much of Asia, Central and South America, and parts of Europe and Africa. So, what's the big deal with this outbreak? I suppose newspaper sales are declining so they need another quick boost with some sensationalistic story.
#47
Border Riever's Posted 2009-04-27 13:41:28
So does this mean the pigs will have to cover their snouts while reaching into your car for their tea money??
#48
Sabai Sabai Member Posted 2009-04-27 14:00:43
The disease is endemic in much of Asia, Central and South America, and parts of Europe and Africa. So, what's the big deal with this outbreak? I suppose newspaper sales are declining so they need another quick boost with some sensationalistic story. Because it is going easily from human to human. #49
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 14:05:09
I just love it when Thai's put out some ridiculous statement like this: [i]In Chiang Mai, no order has been given at the international airport to quarantine Mexicans who might arrive, although there are no direct flights landing there, airport director Juturongkhaphol Sodmanee said. You just know know thai way; no need to order quarantine for Mexicans coming into Thailand because there are no direct flights landing there (Mexico). Newspapio de Mexico City said they closed the airport cuz they dont want any asians comin into their country with bird flu. BTW how many Mexican tourists does Thailand get each year??????? ur ur pac mah mai katord kuhp ...and its all the more entertaining when someone tries to defend it with high enthusiasm but probably with no clue whatsoever about the meaning of the original argument. awesome! #50
Senior Member Posted 2009-04-27 14:17:23
Nothing to worry about, we will all die sooner or later.
 I'm more worried about the Bangkok traffic..... |
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