yuckfoo, on 2009-05-09 20:47:31, said:
CGW, on 2009-05-08 11:04:27, said:
. (I work for the largest container company in the world)
Tupperware?
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Sunken Containers and Skeletal Remains Discovered Offshore
Started by invex, 2009-05-04 23:26
#76
soundman
Loud Member Posted 2009-05-09 21:39:20 Tupperware?
#77
teddy_bare
Senior Member Posted 2009-05-10 01:27:41
Has anyone noticed the advert on this page?
NEED A CONTAINER? A bit off, considering multiple murders may have occured. #78
lor
Senior Member Posted 2009-05-11 05:11:45
It's very hard for conventional ships to drop sea containers safely and quickly over the side. Heavy cranes and powerful winches are needed, very low vessel free board and possibly an open stern. These attributes are not easily found on conventional container ships (that rely on port facilities to move containers), oilfield supply vessels (cranes not heavy enough) or fishing boats (just too small). However, military amphibious landing craft.... During my time as a pirate DJ on the Voice of Peace in the med. I saw a few times container ships with what appeared to be containers just dropping into the sea. I said to the crew that the storm we were experiancing must be very bad because the containers were falling into the sea. They explained that it was normal practise, if the weather was bad, just to throw the containers overboard to reduce the centre of gravity of the ship. There were so many containers on these ships they looked like the new york skyline! So it is very easy for these containers to be thrown overboard from conventional container ships. Chris #79
loonodingle
Advanced Member Posted 2009-05-11 09:03:32
Found this snipit on Bangkok post
Quote Skeleton reports offer hope By: SIRIKUL BUNNAG Published: 11/05/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News Human rights activists and relatives of those killed in the 1992 Black May crackdown are calling for an investigation into the reported discovery of human skeletons in the Gulf of Thailand. The activists and relatives, speaking after marking the 17th anniversary of the massacre yesterday, said they would write to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to ask the government to look into the matter. It was the government's duty to solve this mystery, even if the skeletons do not belong to the missing Black May victims, said Metha Matkhao, secretary general of the Campaign Committee for Human Rights. News reports say three to five cargo containers stuffed with human skeletons have been found in the sea off tambon Samasarn in Chon Buri's Sattahip district. Mr Metha said local trawlers had pulled up human skulls. "Seventeen years on, no significant progress has been made in searching for the people reported missing in the attack," said Mr Metha. "The person who ordered the mass killing has not been punished, nor have the others involved ... who still are living a happy life, playing golf, sipping wine and making comments to the media." The official number of Black May dead was 38, but the figure reported to the United Nations by a committee representing victims was 357, said Adul Khiewboriboon, who heads the committee. The committee called on the army to stop intervening in politics, saying it had taken a bigger role in politics since the 2006 coup.  -- Bangkok Post 2009 05 11 Considering its a huge amount of possible human remains its doesnt seem to have captured the headlines ?????? http://www.bangkokpo...orts-offer-hope
Edited by soundman, 2009-05-11 09:19:57.
#80
Smithson
Super Member Posted 2009-05-11 13:08:28
DSI Chief for Foreign Affairs Songsak Raksakul said a human trafficking network might be responsible. Despite the police's other shortcomings, I think this still remains the most viable explanation. As the recent land border incident with Burma illegals, where 54 persons were found dead in a trucked container, human traffickers have no qualms about ditching their "product." The DSI was quick to speculate, even before confirmation of the skeletons. Usual rush to blame outsiders? I'd love to hear an explanation of how traffickers came to dump the containers in the sea, 20 or so years ago. I'm surprised how quick ppl are to support such a bizarre explanation. #81
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-05-11 22:27:05
DSI Chief for Foreign Affairs Songsak Raksakul said a human trafficking network might be responsible. Despite the police's other shortcomings, I think this still remains the most viable explanation. As the recent land border incident with Burma illegals, where 54 persons were found dead in a trucked container, human traffickers have no qualms about ditching their "product." The DSI was quick to speculate, even before confirmation of the skeletons. Usual rush to blame outsiders? I'd love to hear an explanation of how traffickers came to dump the containers in the sea, 20 or so years ago. I'm surprised how quick ppl are to support such a bizarre explanation. I'm surprised that someone would find the only explanation that has a precedent (human-trafficker's cargo dead in containers) to be bizarre. There's a reason I thought it the most plausible... it's the only one that has happened before. It's probably why the DSI felt the same, too, although they certainly qualified their statement with "might be" and are at least seemingly open to other possibilities. btw, human traffickers have been transporting their cargo in containers for even longer than 20 years. A viable explanation for the dumping would be if their cargo simply "expired" in route ala the Burmese incident. The transporters typically dump their cargo when that happens, whether it's roadside in Ranong or at sea off the coast of Sattahip. Edited by sriracha john, 2009-05-11 22:31:39. #82
koenie
Newbie Posted 2009-05-11 22:36:47
I said to the crew that the storm we were experiancing must be very bad because the containers were falling into the sea. They explained that it was normal practise, if the weather was bad, just to throw the containers overboard to reduce the centre of gravity of the ship. So it is very easy for these containers to be thrown overboard from conventional container ships. Chris BULL-SHIT !!!!! "Just to throw the containers overboard" tssssssssssss #83
skiman1
Senior Member Posted 2009-05-12 06:28:56
Containers will sink fairly quickly in moderate seas, in heavy seas, very quickly, the shifting cargo will quickly punch holes or damage doors. (I work for the largest container company in the world) Do you float test them?
#84
Smithson
Super Member Posted 2009-05-12 11:24:39
DSI Chief for Foreign Affairs Songsak Raksakul said a human trafficking network might be responsible. Despite the police's other shortcomings, I think this still remains the most viable explanation. As the recent land border incident with Burma illegals, where 54 persons were found dead in a trucked container, human traffickers have no qualms about ditching their "product." The DSI was quick to speculate, even before confirmation of the skeletons. Usual rush to blame outsiders? I'd love to hear an explanation of how traffickers came to dump the containers in the sea, 20 or so years ago. I'm surprised how quick ppl are to support such a bizarre explanation. I'm surprised that someone would find the only explanation that has a precedent (human-trafficker's cargo dead in containers) to be bizarre. There's a reason I thought it the most plausible... it's the only one that has happened before. It's probably why the DSI felt the same, too, although they certainly qualified their statement with "might be" and are at least seemingly open to other possibilities. btw, human traffickers have been transporting their cargo in containers for even longer than 20 years. A viable explanation for the dumping would be if their cargo simply "expired" in route ala the Burmese incident. The transporters typically dump their cargo when that happens, whether it's roadside in Ranong or at sea off the coast of Sattahip. Yes, I realize there are precedents for dead bodies in containers, however I'm not aware of traffickers using containers in shipping lanes along that route. Maybe you could outline the scenario, where did the journey begin and where were they headed? How did the traffickers manage to push the containers overboard and why did they choose a location so close to shore? Being so quick to speculate isn't professional on the part of the DSI, possibly a preemptive cover up. There are ample precedents for this. The apparent age and location of the skeletons has HR and victims groups concerned. Has anything more been revealed? All seems a bit fishy to me. #85
NanLaew
International Gypsy Member Posted 2009-05-12 17:36:38
... however I'm not aware of traffickers using containers in shipping lanes along that route. #86
0zz1
Senior Member Posted 2009-05-12 19:51:05
anything new on this? I saw a short clip just on TV3 where they interview the funny hairstyle lady who seems to be the most famous autopsy doctor as she is seen every time on Thai telly when something like this happens... can anyone know who im talking about and who she works for? Her name is something like: Khunding Pornthip or something... dont know surname..
#87
JetsetBkk
The JesterBkk Posted 2009-05-13 01:26:44
anything new on this? I saw a short clip just on TV3 where they interview the funny hairstyle lady who seems to be the most famous autopsy doctor as she is seen every time on Thai telly when something like this happens... can anyone know who im talking about and who she works for? Her name is something like: Khunding Pornthip or something... dont know surname.. 
#90
Smithson
Super Member Posted 2009-05-13 10:25:53
... however I'm not aware of traffickers using containers in shipping lanes along that route. Not really, although I did a search, there was stuff about containers used for land crossing and something about Chinese gangs using them on ship somewhere. The cases where ppl have been found dead in containers have been along routes well know for trafficking. #91
JetsetBkk
The JesterBkk Posted 2009-05-14 02:33:33
Insightful post there by muddyhoop: Quote I'm an expat living in Thailand but I think the top mafia are the military, followed by the police mafia and then the mafia...mafia !
#92
NanLaew
International Gypsy Member Posted 2009-05-14 04:38:53
This gem from the article in the Nation 14th May 2009.
Pol Col Weerasak Meenakanit, now assigned to work at DSI, said he heard of the mysterious containers in late 2007. "Last year, a team of divers checked on the sites but found nothing abnormal. Although some human skulls and skeletons were found nearby, it's not something unusual given that some fishermen might have drowned there," Weerasak said. Another mental giant joins Edited by NanLaew, 2009-05-14 04:51:25. #93
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-05-14 05:20:15
PM orders experts to inspect seabed
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has ordered forensic experts to inspect the seabed off Samaesan in Chonburi's Sattahip district where reports have emerged of cargo containers stuffed with human skeletons being discovered. The prime minister did not say yesterday when the experts would go to the area. All he wanted, he said, was information on the discovery. Mr Abhisit said initial theories about the discovery were that it might involve human trafficking gangs and that authorities were investigating. Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday said he would ask Khunying Porntip Rojanasunan, Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, to examine the reports. He has also contacted the Navy to provide assistance to Khunying Porntip's team. Continued: -- Bangkok Post 2009-05-14 #94
MJP
The Site Idiot! Posted 2009-05-14 05:40:07
I still say, whether these containers were dropped off a container ship, fishing boat, pontoon, barge or warship there would have been so many people involved in filling the containers, loading them on a vessel and dumping them at sea you just could not keep the story secret. Just wonder if it was the Khmer Rouge when the killing fields got full?
Did anyone watch this program? I saw part of it - I did not see any skeletal remains, they did dive down to a container. I did not watch all of it though so maybe missed something? I remain a skeptic. There have no doubt been some very bad things done here I'm sure - I just know that containers falling off ships is not really rare and fisherman would find more fish around them since the fish like the structure. A container can sink like a rock or float awhile depends on the contents - right? You guys need to brush up on your recent Thai history. 1976 entire special military units and "others" murdered, raped and mutilated the bodies of an unknown amount of young university students that were protesting peacefully. People think several hundred. Basically covered up as no one has been held accountable and yet many witnesses and people involved. 1992 military opens up machine gun fire on groups of thousands of peaceful protestors, no bodies? 2003 three thousand murdered in the drug war.... are all bodies accounted for? Doubtful. What you guys need to understand is this is a repetitive theme and its easier to try and cover things up and forget about it when there is no evidence and no bodies. So glad I moved here!
#95
Smithson
Super Member Posted 2009-05-14 11:07:53
Mr Abhisit said initial theories about the discovery were that it might involve human trafficking gangs and that authorities were investigating. He failed to mention the dead fisherman theory. #96
PhilHarries
Titanium Member Posted 2009-05-14 11:38:55
I said to the crew that the storm we were experiancing must be very bad because the containers were falling into the sea. They explained that it was normal practise, if the weather was bad, just to throw the containers overboard to reduce the centre of gravity of the ship. So it is very easy for these containers to be thrown overboard from conventional container ships. Chris BULL-SHIT !!!!! "Just to throw the containers overboard" tssssssssssss Unfortunatelt, like with just about all news stories in Thailand, this one will just fade away and we'll never know the truth. There will be claim, counter claim, smoke, mirrors, lies, half truths and suspicions but in the end there will be no definitive answers. #97
pagallim
Senior Member Posted 2009-05-14 12:57:35
Not sure if anyone has seen this story reproduced internationally, but here's a link to the UK's Daily Telegraph of today.
http://www.telegraph...f-Thailand.html #98
Ricardo
Aged Folk-Rocking Member Posted 2009-05-14 13:05:36
Perhaps this story, now that it's being confirmed as more than just a local rumour, might be moved by the mods to the News forum ?
Good to see Khunying Pornthip on-the-case ... she tends to inspire more confidence than the BiBs. #99
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-05-14 13:15:52
Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday said he would ask Khunying Porntip Rojanasunan, Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, to examine the reports. He has also contacted the Navy to provide assistance to Khunying Porntip's team.
sounds as if she's been assigned to the case: quote of link: Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand, the director of the National Forensic Science Institute, told The Daily Telegraph that she had been ordered to investigate but required official clearance before beginning her work. #100
sriracha john
Star Member Posted 2009-05-15 01:39:02
Khunying Pornthip led a DSI team yesterday to investigate the site.
The Navy will send 3 boats to the area today to assist. The FSI Director today reviewed a skull being kept at a local charity organization, stating that investigation would be difficult as the skeletons had been affected due to submersion in the sea. She noted that the skull did not have many of the identifying traits needed by forensic scientists such as hairs or tissue. |
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