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#76 sriracha john

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Posted 2009-05-07 05:21:15

EDITORIAL: Everyone deserve answers

The two deaths of a Norwegian and American tourist must be solved without delay. *As pointed in Post # 72, there's actually been five very recent deaths.*

The deaths of a Norwegian and American tourist at Phi Phi have created the kind of headlines the Andaman coast doesn’t need now. More than 500,000 Scandinavians are expected to visit the Andaman coast in 2009. These cases need to be solved without delay by the authorities.

The grieving relatives of Julie Michelle Bergheim (22) from Drammen, Norway and Jill Sheree St. Onge (27) from Seattle, USA deserve answers on how two healthy young women who were taking a break at Phi Phi Islands suddenly died within hours last weekend.

It is also in the best interest of the tourism sectors that these cases are solved within days. Local news media, with the exception of Phuket Wan and Andaman Times, have not reported on the suspicious deaths.

Newspapers from Norway and the US are following these cases closely. A number of journalists are currently in the Andaman region or on their way to push further and try to get the answers. Representatives of the Norwegian police, which is stationed in Bangkok, are reportedly in Phuket as an observant.

The grieving relatives of 27 year old Jill Sheree St. Onge, who was waiting for her to return home after a three month trip to Asia, demands answers. They are frustrated from lack of answers to what happened to their daughter, sister and fiancÚ.

- My young and vibrant 27 year old daughter Jill Sheree St. Onge from Seattle, WA suddenly died May 1st while vacationing in Thailand on the Island of Koh Phi Phi Don, writes the grieving mother on her blog.

There are other unanswered questions. Another Norwegian died one month ago, and according to the Norwegian police he was staying in the same guesthouse at Phi Phi. These is also another cases, as reported by Phuket Gazette over the weekend, where a corpse of a foreigner was found floating off Phi Phi the same weekend Ms. Bergheim and Ms. St. Onge fell ill and died.

In her latest blog entry, Ms St. Onge, gives the region the kind of exposure it deserves:

“hey hey! We’re in koh phi phi right now. It’s off the west coast of Thailand about a 2 hour boat ride from krabi. So amazing. …just drinking eating and living so cheaply and having a blast. Food, drink, good books, sun and warm waters… What else do ya need? have just been wondering why we don’t live here.”

Thailand and the Andaman region doesn’t need more bad press and unsolved deaths. We demand answers.

- Andaman Times / 2009-05-07

Edited by sriracha john, 2009-05-07 05:27:19.


#77 sriracha john

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Posted 2009-05-07 05:40:17

Only 1 person for the job! Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand M.D.


A Bangkok special epidemiologist is already on Phi Phi, seeking to find the reason behind the mysterious fatalities.

Thailand's top forensic scientist, Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand, is expected to be involved in autopsies to determine what killed the women.

- Phuket Wan / 2009-05-06

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Posted 2009-05-07 06:08:07

The biggest newspaper in Norway, Aftenposten with this story today:

http://www.aftenpost...icle3062737.ece

Julie Michelle Bergheim (22) from Drammen died Monday at a hospital in Phuket in Thailand after being poisoned in the popular resort of Phi Phi .

The local police on the island launched an investigation of the incident, and the preliminary autopsy report shows that Bergheim had cyanide in the stomach.

- The police were surprised by the discovery
- To our great surprise, it was found cyanide in her stomach. It was so surprising that the body was sent to a new autopsy in Bangkok, the police chief Nopadon Klom Thong on Phi Phi Islands told Nettavisen.

Cyanide is highly toxic and can kill a human , even in low concentrations.

The poison works very quickly. It causes internal suffocation with a characteristic blue colour of the skin, according to Wikipedia.

It is not known whether it was cyanide poisoning that killed Bergheim. The police still have no reason to believe that there is something criminal behind the death. The final autopsy report is not ready until about six to seven months.

Bergheim traveled with a 20-year-old girlfriend from Central Norway. The two are students in Australia, and had been visiting Phi Phi on the way home to Norway.

The 20 year old was also acutely ill, but survived, and now receive treatment at Phuket hosptal, according to Adressa.no.

The hospital in Thailand said that the women may have been poisoned by a drink they shared together.
The death is connected to an American woman (27) who died under similar circumstances. She lived in the apartment next to the Norwegian women in a guest house.

The 20 year old have told her friends that they both throwing up when they came home from the city around 2 in the morning.
The students believed then it was a response to the alcohol they had consumed, but soon it got a lot worse. Both startes throwing up over a hundred times and was sent to the local hospital on Phi Phi.


Late Sunday evening the 20 year old was transferred to the Phuket hospital , on the mainland five miles away.

- When she arrived at the hospital, she had been sick for almost 24 hours and throwing up many times. Despite the fact that she was heavily dehydrated she continued to vommiting, and the first thing we had to do was to restore the fluid balance.
All this had also led her into a state of chock, she was very depressed and her stress level was very high , " explain Doctor Bodin La-ied to Nettavisen.

As a result of the woman's physical and mental health, she is being followed up by a psychiatrist.
Urine and blood samples have been taken , but the results are probably not ready until about two weeks.

Another Norwegian who died in April with the same symptoms, , lived in the same hotel as Julie Michelle Bergheim, according to dt.no.
- The autopsy report is still not ready, "says Tor Steinhagen to the newspaper

Edited by balo, 2009-05-07 06:15:11.


#79 balo

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Posted 2009-05-07 06:20:14

Maybe its about time to have the name of this guest house ??

And I hope the owner and staff there are cooperating with the police to find the cause of this tragedy.


:)

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Posted 2009-05-07 06:21:51

My condolences to the families concerned.

I realise it is unwise to speculate until all the facts are out but by reading these posts there appears to be a lot of confusion & misinformation, intentional or otherwise, & the way it is being handled or mishandled by the authorities the true facts may never be revealed. Anyway, has anyone considered this could be the work of a serial killer?

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Posted 2009-05-07 06:27:20

laleena house is the name of the place!!

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Posted 2009-05-07 06:54:02

laleena house is the name of the place!!



Oh no.........this is very tragic for the victims/families.

It is also yet another blow to tourism.........a serious one.

I hope they catch the person or persons responsible for this.

#83 sriracha john

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Posted 2009-05-07 07:04:29

The biggest newspaper in Norway, Aftenposten with this story today:

[b]Julie Michelle Bergheim (22) from Drammen died Monday at a hospital in Phuket in Thailand after being poisoned in the popular resort of Phi Phi .


Thank you again for your translations, balo. :)

Have you come across across any information in Norway that identifies
1. Julie's traveling companion?
2. The other young Norwegian woman that diedl?
3. The middle-aged Norwegian man that died?

Edited by sriracha john, 2009-05-07 07:05:47.


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Posted 2009-05-07 07:46:22

...and still not a report about this in the PhuketGazette! yet the instant a tourist falls off a motorbike and gets squashed under a truck and dies they report it.

This is a response from Ryan Kells, Jills' fiance, to the poorly written Phuketwan article>>>

"I was Jills fiancee. For a doctor to say that she was drinking was ridiculous. Jill had been Ill since the afternoon. How could she have told nurse anything. She was unconcious by the time I got her to the hospital. This article makes me irate. There is a water treatment plant right next to the guesthouse. How coincidental for 3 people to have the same symptoms, 2 die and 1 in ICU. We stayed right next door to the Norwegian girls. There is a chemical that killed two girls and almost one more. I cant even begin to believe that this doctor would lie about jills case. Let me repeat. Jill had no alcohol that night. It had nothing to do with a hangover. I can not believe that anyone would make up such a lie."

Edited by phuketrex, 2009-05-07 07:47:39.


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Posted 2009-05-07 07:58:19

The biggest newspaper in Norway, Aftenposten with this story today:

[b]Julie Michelle Bergheim (22) from Drammen died Monday at a hospital in Phuket in Thailand after being poisoned in the popular resort of Phi Phi .


Thank you again for your translations, balo. :)

Have you come across across any information in Norway that identifies
1. Julie's traveling companion?
2. The other young Norwegian woman that diedl?
3. The middle-aged Norwegian man that died?




I'm sorry , no names have been released over here except Julie Bergheim .

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Posted 2009-05-07 08:02:57

The biggest newspaper in Norway, Aftenposten with this story today:

[b]Julie Michelle Bergheim (22) from Drammen died Monday at a hospital in Phuket in Thailand after being poisoned in the popular resort of Phi Phi .


Thank you again for your translations, balo. :)

Have you come across across any information in Norway that identifies
1. Julie's traveling companion?
2. The other young Norwegian woman that diedl?
3. The middle-aged Norwegian man that died?


I'm sorry , no names have been released over here except Julie Bergheim .


Thank you for trying and please let us know if any are given in the future. With this topic now expanded to covering 5 unexplained deaths and 1 near-death, it could go a long way in helping everyone to sort out who's who.

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Posted 2009-05-07 08:24:07

Thank you for trying and please let us know if any are given in the future. With this topic now expanded to covering 5 unexplained deaths and 1 near-death, it could go a long way in helping everyone to sort out who's who.


5?

Jill St. Onge
Julie Bergheim
The man found in the sea at the weekend
The middleaged Norwegian a month ago

Who is the 5th?

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Posted 2009-05-07 08:55:01

suggest to investigators:

>>> do a thorough check on the water treatment facilities, particularly the one near the guest house.

>>> close the guesthouse up tight for now. Don't allow anyone to stay there now!

>>> medically examine those who have recently stayed/worked at the guesthouse.

>>> thoroughly examine the air.con units there. ....and the water

Earlier, I had speculated that it might be Legionnaires disease - though now looks doubtful, as L.disease is like a bad flu, and doesn't debilitate quickly.

Seeing the photos of the vibrant two young women - really jabs the reality home. How sad, really.

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Posted 2009-05-07 09:45:48

...and still not a report about this in the PhuketGazette! yet the instant a tourist falls off a motorbike and gets squashed under a truck and dies they report it.

This is a response from Ryan Kells, Jills' fiance, to the poorly written Phuketwan article>>>

"I was Jills fiancee. For a doctor to say that she was drinking was ridiculous. Jill had been Ill since the afternoon. How could she have told nurse anything. She was unconcious by the time I got her to the hospital. This article makes me irate. There is a water treatment plant right next to the guesthouse. How coincidental for 3 people to have the same symptoms, 2 die and 1 in ICU. We stayed right next door to the Norwegian girls. There is a chemical that killed two girls and almost one more. I cant even begin to believe that this doctor would lie about jills case. Let me repeat. Jill had no alcohol that night. It had nothing to do with a hangover. I can not believe that anyone would make up such a lie."


I guess the Phuket Gazette is busy finding out the true facts before putting out a story. When it involves grieving families, tourism and suspicious circumstances it would be irresponsible to rush a story like this as above.

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Posted 2009-05-07 09:50:49

...and still not a report about this in the PhuketGazette! yet the instant a tourist falls off a motorbike and gets squashed under a truck and dies they report it.

This is a response from Ryan Kells, Jills' fiance, to the poorly written Phuketwan article>>>

"I was Jills fiancee. For a doctor to say that she was drinking was ridiculous. Jill had been Ill since the afternoon. How could she have told nurse anything. She was unconcious by the time I got her to the hospital. This article makes me irate. There is a water treatment plant right next to the guesthouse. How coincidental for 3 people to have the same symptoms, 2 die and 1 in ICU. We stayed right next door to the Norwegian girls. There is a chemical that killed two girls and almost one more. I cant even begin to believe that this doctor would lie about jills case. Let me repeat. Jill had no alcohol that night. It had nothing to do with a hangover. I can not believe that anyone would make up such a lie."


So, despite the previous assertions that the Norwegian girls rented the same room immediately after, it seems that is not necessarily true?

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Posted 2009-05-07 09:54:41

...and still not a report about this in the PhuketGazette! yet the instant a tourist falls off a motorbike and gets squashed under a truck and dies they report it.

This is a response from Ryan Kells, Jills' fiance, to the poorly written Phuketwan article>>>

"I was Jills fiancee. For a doctor to say that she was drinking was ridiculous. Jill had been Ill since the afternoon. How could she have told nurse anything. She was unconcious by the time I got her to the hospital. This article makes me irate. There is a water treatment plant right next to the guesthouse. How coincidental for 3 people to have the same symptoms, 2 die and 1 in ICU. We stayed right next door to the Norwegian girls. There is a chemical that killed two girls and almost one more. I cant even begin to believe that this doctor would lie about jills case. Let me repeat. Jill had no alcohol that night. It had nothing to do with a hangover. I can not believe that anyone would make up such a lie."


So, despite the previous assertions that the Norwegian girls rented the same room immediately after, it seems that is not necessarily true?




Correct. Ryan says the Norwegian girls were there at the same time and in the room next to them.

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Posted 2009-05-07 10:08:11

Thank you for trying and please let us know if any are given in the future. With this topic now expanded to covering 5 unexplained deaths and 1 near-death, it could go a long way in helping everyone to sort out who's who.


5?

Jill St. Onge
Julie Bergheim
The man found in the sea at the weekend
The middleaged Norwegian a month ago

Who is the 5th?


All the 6 involved are mentioned in Post # 72.

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Posted 2009-05-07 10:24:59

Maybe its about time to have the name of this guest house ??

And I hope the owner and staff there are cooperating with the police to find the cause of this tragedy.


:)



Name of the guesthouse is Laleena Guesthouse, according to Ryan (fiancee of one of the deceased). So far it seems a coincidence that they all stayed there, but according to police they also ate at the same food/drinks, so careful with being too hasty with conclusions.

Source here: http://phi-phi.com/p....php?f=4&t=7317

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Posted 2009-05-07 10:41:22

...and still not a report about this in the PhuketGazette! yet the instant a tourist falls off a motorbike and gets squashed under a truck and dies they report it.

This is a response from Ryan Kells, Jills' fiance, to the poorly written Phuketwan article>>>

"I was Jills fiancee. For a doctor to say that she was drinking was ridiculous. Jill had been Ill since the afternoon. How could she have told nurse anything. She was unconcious by the time I got her to the hospital. This article makes me irate. There is a water treatment plant right next to the guesthouse. How coincidental for 3 people to have the same symptoms, 2 die and 1 in ICU. We stayed right next door to the Norwegian girls. There is a chemical that killed two girls and almost one more. I cant even begin to believe that this doctor would lie about jills case. Let me repeat. Jill had no alcohol that night. It had nothing to do with a hangover. I can not believe that anyone would make up such a lie."


I guess the Phuket Gazette is busy finding out the true facts before putting out a story. When it involves grieving families, tourism and suspicious circumstances it would be irresponsible to rush a story like this as above.

Facts are two women, unrelated but staying in the same location are dead and one has cyanide residue in her stomach. A third person , a man- may have died in the same circumstances a few weeks ago . And there is an un- identified male found dead 6 days ago.
all worthy of reporting.

(So where does 5 or 6 deaths come in? )

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Posted 2009-05-07 10:44:11

In the list of 6 he appears to have included the Norwegian girl twice.

More from Jills' fiance Ryan>>>

my name is Ryan, I was Jill's fiancee. We were staying at a guesthouse called laleena. I have to think that Jill died of a poison substance. We got our room about 11 in the morning. It was our first room with A/C in about a month of traveling through Asia. So we decided to just hang out in the room all day and catch up on some needed sleep. I am not a great sleeper, Jill on the other hand was awesome she could sleep anytime, anywhere. Aroun 1 o clock I was antsy so I went to go use the internet. I was gone about an hour. I went back to the room hung out with Jill for about an hour. We were both hungry so I decided I would go get us some food, so we could enjoy the A/C. I was gone about 45 minutes. I came beack we ate our food and hung out for another hour or 2. We then decided to go out walking around. Jill started saying she wasnt feeling that well (probably the burger) but being the trooper she was, we stayed out for a few hours. Ate some dinner , watched the sunset. Around midnight Jill said she was still feeling ill. She wanted to go lie down, but told me to stay out for a bit, cause we were hanging out with some new friends. I went back to the room at about 2 am, to find jill in some real pain. She started vomiting not too long after. I layed down in bed with her to try to comfort her. Probably 2 hours later, I started feelin very ill. I started vomiting. feeling dizzy. This is when I realized Jill was not doing well at all. She started turning blue. I ran outside grabbed a utility cart, briught it back, picked Jill up and put her in it. I ran all the way to the hospital. They started doing CPR to no avail.

I found out later that there is a water treatment plant right behind the guesthouse. I feel that jill was poisoned by a chemical from that plant. She spent about 5 more hours in the room than I did. She was just breathing in the fumes for so long. The only reason I did not get deathly ill, is that I kept getting these short breaks from the air in the room.

The next day, a woman from Norway died right in the room next door, her traveling companion was admitted to the ICU. All thrree of them had the exact same symptoms. That seems like a hel_l of a coincidence. I just want people to know to be careful of the Laleena guesthouse. Whatever is there it killed 2 people and put one in intensive care, in 2 days. That doesnt sound like food poisoning, and I doubt two A/C units started pumping in gas on the same day. There has to be something in the air from that water treatment plant..

Edited by phuketrex, 2009-05-07 11:05:05.


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Posted 2009-05-07 11:07:37

A review of the people involved. If our Norwegian members can confirm about #2's name and that #4 and #5 have been unnamed.

1. The Norwegian woman, of the OP that died, is Julie Michelle Bergheim.

2. The Norwegian woman, that was Julie's companion and got ill but survived, identified as "Venninnen"?

3. The American woman, that died at the same guesthouse, is Jill Sheree St. Onge.

4. There was another Norwegian woman, at the same guesthouse that died in April, is unnamed. Her autopsy is not ready.

5. There was a 46 year-old Norwegian man, that died also in April, is unnamed.

6. There is an unidentified nationality man, that died this month, and found in the waters of Phi Phi and is the subject of the separate thread:
http://www.thaivisa....-I-t262091.html

That makes 5 unexplained deaths and 1 nearly died in Phi Phi, all in the very recent past.

I think your # 4 is incorrect, just a Norwegian man in April

So, 3 deaths, possibly 4th related death in the bodyfound in the water May 1.

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Posted 2009-05-07 11:15:09

The poison works very quickly. It causes internal suffocation with a characteristic blue colour of the skin, according to Wikipedia.


Well I certainly hope the pathologist doesn't rely on wikipedia, because my pathology textbook states that the skin colour should have a cherry red or robust pink hue. This is due to the inability of oxygen to leave the blood and enter the cells.

I think that any conclusion of cyanide being in someone's stomach is way to quick since there are several substances that will break down upon ingestion and give off byproducts that can indicate the presence of cyanide. You can't make a definitive statement of cyanide poisoning under suspicious circumstances until there is confirmation of lactic acidosis (basically the result of the oxygen deprivation as the aerobic metabolism slows or stops).

I have a hunch that the experts are going to start with the obvious trio;
1. Tainted water or food
2. Was someone was working with chemicals in close proximity to the bungalow.
3. Did someone recently spray the location with a pesticide?

Edit: I missed the fiance's posting and note his concern about the water treatment facility. His gut feeling may be valid and it would help if more details were available. Potable water or waste water?

Edited by geriatrickid, 2009-05-07 11:20:16.


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Posted 2009-05-07 11:25:54

The poison works very quickly. It causes internal suffocation with a characteristic blue colour of the skin, according to Wikipedia.


Well I certainly hope the pathologist doesn't rely on wikipedia, because my pathology textbook states that the skin colour should have a cherry red or robust pink hue. This is due to the inability of oxygen to leave the blood and enter the cells.

I think that any conclusion of cyanide being in someone's stomach is way to quick since there are several substances that will break down upon ingestion and give off byproducts that can indicate the presence of cyanide. You can't make a definitive statement of cyanide poisoning under suspicious circumstances until there is confirmation of lactic acidosis (basically the result of the oxygen deprivation as the aerobic metabolism slows or stops).

I have a hunch that the experts are going to start with the obvious trio;
1. Tainted water or food
2. Was someone was working with chemicals in close proximity to the bungalow.
3. Did someone recently spray the location with a pesticide?

Edit: I posted at the same time as the fiance's posting and note his concern about the water treatment facility. it would help if more details were available. Potable water or waste water?



Yes there is contradictory info on cyanide poisoning symptoms, perhaps having to do with ingestion methods .
Mr Kells seems to believe it is realted to the water treatment plant next door and thet would certianly be a strong possibilty

I'm wondering if the by product of a " prank " dose of Visine is this compound that appears to be cyanide. As low body temp and dehydration are symptoms of that, although I guess would be in any kinfd of acute poisoning
And it's not just women who are falling ill , one man dead in April, and another taken ill and there is the still as of yet, un- ID 'd body in the water .

What A MYSTERY !!

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Posted 2009-05-07 11:30:49

In the list of 6 he appears to have included the Norwegian girl twice.

More from Jills' fiance Ryan>>>

I found out later that there is a water treatment plant right behind the guesthouse. I feel that jill was poisoned by a chemical from that plant. She spent about 5 more hours in the room than I did. She was just breathing in the fumes for so long. The only reason I did not get deathly ill, is that I kept getting these short breaks from the air in the room.


I can understand why relatives of the victims are speculating on reasons for their death; but it is nothing but speculation until we know better (and this might take a good time).
With the new knowledge we have, at least the source of the poison can be determined better: poisoned food, poisoned water or poisoned smoke that was inhaled. However, cyanide inhalation from smoke would mean that something like rubber was burned -- and that creates a stench that would have been more than noticeable and nothing in any of the accounts points to such a thing occurring at the time. This points still to indigestion as most likely reason.

This might be the reason why police is still concentrating on the fact that both people who died seem to have either eaten at the same place or drunk the same stuff. I cannot really understand why the fiancee seems to rule this out completely.

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Posted 2009-05-07 11:42:44

PhuketWan backpedaling on Cyanide statement


http://phuketwan.com...ed-women-11078/


<h1 class="title">Phi Phi Deaths: No Word on What Killed Women</h1> By Shanya Phattrasaya

Thursday, May 7, 2009 THE MYSTERIOUS deaths of two tourists on Phi Phi led to several processes of investigation and widening ripples of interest around the world today.

The bodies of Norwegian Julie Michelle Bergheim, 22, from Drammen, and American Jill Sheree St. Onge, 27, from Seattle, are now in Bangkok where autopsies are to be conducted at Sirirath Hospital.

However, police told Phuketwan today that results from the tests could take up to a month.





continued at Phuketwan





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