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[Jai Dee]

Some wildly speculative and off-topic posts have been deleted from this thread.

[geriatrickid]

johna, on 2009-05-06 08:28:36, said:

A Norwegian man dies of food poisoning a month ago and they are still waiting for the autopsy report?
So the police are waiting for what, the DNA of the suspect bacteria before they make an arrest!!

Please understand that the   "blood chemistry" and cultures can take 1-3 months to develop. Unlike what you see on the crime shows, it's a time consuming process. While your comment about the bacteria  was probably sarcastic, bacteria from the stomach could be cultured to determine if the resident gut bacteria was in balance. Our  digestive tract is full of bacteria and sometimes it can go "rogue". Hopefully, the first body was repatriated to Norway for autopsy and  the Norwegian officials forbade the use of embalming fluids or perservatives prior to return.

This is an interesting case and just reading the references to the meat, perhaps there is a bad frozen batch in there. You know how they can thaw it to  make some bolognese sauce put it back in the freezer and then thaw it again to use in hamburgers. It is interesting to note that in the recent Singapore food poisonings that resulted in the shutdown of the hawker stalls the contaminant was traced to the fridge. Tainted fish was the culprit that left its organisms behind in the fridge.  Poor hygiene, in that case.

There is something suspicious about this case. When you get food poisoning you don't usually die so quickly. It's a bit of a long  process where there is dehydration and renal collapse. In the  e coli posionings of  produce and  hamburgers in the USA, people took 1-2 weeks to die. In the absence of the deceased having an underlying medical condition that made her vullnerable, I'd suspect human involvement due to the rapid death. Good luck though on the local authoritiess taking a history and doing the leg work. They just aren't trained for that.  It will be up to the Norwegians to figure out what happened. Someone had better work on this or it  will happen again.

[coconutmonkey]

Scary..... and sad... Uh.  I worry about the world

[phuketrex]

27-year-old West Seattle resident Jill St. Onge has died in Thailand.

    Her family and friends have set up a website here and her boyfriend Ryan is posting on it from Thailand>>>

  http://jillstonge.blogspot.com/

    They say an autopsy is scheduled to be carried out today.

[MisterMan]

This is terrible!!! The poor families! Oh no!
I wonder if the dead guy found floating off Phi Phi is also related to this story.

http://www.phuketgaz...d...9&display=1

[coconutmonkey]

MisterMan, on 2009-05-06 10:59:31, said:

This is terrible!!! The poor families! Oh no!
I wonder if the dead guy found floating off Phi Phi is also related to this story.

http://www.phuketgaz...d...9&display=1

Wow... I didn't think of that!!!  Uh Oh.....

[Briggsy]

This is terrible.

There will be pressure and self-censorship in the local media to report this as little as possible so as not to harm the Phi-Phi tourist income.

The FDA are usually renowned as one of the least corrupt Thai government departments but I doubt this falls within their remit. The local police will be incompetent at best and obstructive to any meaningful investigation at worst.

[phuketrex]

To say the deaths of the 2 women happened on sunday and monday it's curious there hasn't even been a mention of either in the Gazette...or Phuketwan. I suppose they have to wait to be "told" what they can print by the powers that be.

Edited by phuketrex, 2009-05-06 11:37:24.

[julie_f]

I hope they investigate this fully.  It does sound very serious and if they are still renting the bungalow there could be more.

Does seem too fast for food poisoning though.

[MisterMan]

WHAT BUNGALOWS???? THAT Should be public. ANyone have any friends on PHI PHI?

[phuketrex]

The brother of the American woman has posted a video appeal for information here>>>
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-254369

[bkkjingjoe]

I absolutely agree. Naming the bungalow should be top priority to warn the tourists down there.

My sister was planning on visitng me next week and also to go back to Phi Phi again.
Now she has cancelled the trip... it jsut all keeps adding up right now.

Funny thing is that people outside of Thailand keep getting these very negative news (riots, shootings, poisonings, fires in nightclubs, etc.). Even these events and incidents are not related, it is understandable that "outsiders" tend to link them togehter and simply think that Thailand is dangerous.

How many tourists have died, been murdered or raped or became otherwise victims of crimes such as robberies or break-ins?
I know that things like these happen all over the world...but for a country that still claims to be so buddhist and thus one of the safest countries in the world, it shouldn't happen!

Authorities should really focus and concentrate on the issues NOW before it gets even worse.

[phuketrex]

bkkjingjoe, on 2009-05-06 13:33:11, said:

I absolutely agree. Naming the bungalow should be top priority to warn the tourists down there.

I've been in contact with the American girls' brother and he says they stayed in a cottage called Laleene owned by a man called Hassan.

[Soupdragon]

phuketrex, on 2009-05-06 11:29:19, said:

To say the deaths of the 2 women happened on sunday and monday it's curious there hasn't even been a mention of either in the Gazette...or Phuketwan. I suppose they have to wait to be "told" what they can print by the powers that be.

Whats so curious about the lack of media attention to suspicious deaths on the cash cow island of Koh Phi Phi. Oh maybe you mean that if it is reported then it will have an adverse effect on the cash flow into the island so it's better to pretend it didn't happen. Call me cynical but this stinks.

[Junglejumbo]

I agree that this is unlikely to be a food poisoning bacteria. Even bacterium botulinum the worse of all the bacterias would take longer to kill someone.

Puffer fish releases a poison, a sodium channel blocker which paralyzes the muscles while the victim stays fully conscious, and eventually dies from asphyxiation. This would explain the victim turning blue. But puffer fish is very expensive and there's no indication from the girls accounts that they ate fish. I don't think that the fish is anywhere around Thailand although with global weather changes, who knows?

Cyanide could also turn a person blue before death but this is usually within minutes not hours. There's not many other tasteless or odorless chemicals. Carbom Monozide is from burning fuels and just wouldn't come from an electric air-conditioning system and even if it was from gas used for a generator, there would be a smell of gas.

Severe radiation remains a clear possibility in my view and may also help explain what appears to be a cover a nervous authorities both in Phi Phi and in Bangkok as nobody wants to release details.  Thailand doesn't usually cover this kind of thing up. Press normally all over it.......really is strange. I know that tourism has had a hard time recently but look how much the swine flu is in the press, or the shooting at Ko Sahn Road.....

Phi Phi is a predominantly muslim island. Two of the Thai insurgents who studied in Pakistan and later went to Afghanistan in the 1990's originated from Phi Phi, if my memory serves correct.  

Higher authorities need to get involved in this. The dead could also pose a danger to anyone who comes in contact with them.

This is one of the saddest things I've heard about happening in Thailand. At least other cases get the sympathy of the government and press rather than just being ignored. Get the autopsy done independently. Go to the highest people in the land, whether it be in Thailand or in victims home country.

[Thaddeus]

Junglejumbo, on 2009-05-06 14:09:45, said:

<snip>
Puffer fish

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Cyanide

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Severe radiation

<snip>

All just pure speculation of course, and we are unlikely to know the real cause until the results of an autopsy. But, wouldn't all those possible causes in the same doses be fatal in all occasions.

While we are on the speculation train, I remember a thread a while back that mentioned eye drops, also rapid effect, but varying results.

And please spare a thought for their family members who may be reading this thread (my thoughts go out to them) and I hope they find the truth soon.

[MisterMan]

Only 1 person for the job! Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand M.D.

[sriracha john]

phuketrex, on 2009-05-06 13:10:20, said:

bkkjingjoe, on 2009-05-06 13:33:11, said:

I absolutely agree. Naming the bungalow should be top priority to warn the tourists down there.

I've been in contact with the American girls' brother and he says they stayed in a cottage called Laleene owned by a man called Hassan.

Can you recheck that, please?

No place by that name (or close to it) is found on searching Phi Phi.

Thank you.

[CFIT]

Lots of smaller Thai Mom and Pop types aren't listed.

As for the use of Visine as a prank, it does not cause  diarrhea as claimed , but can cause other severe symptoms AND death. Can't c/p  from the site but see

http://www.snopes.co...yths/visine.asp  for more info..

Puffer fish are in Thai waters, I've seen them on west coast beaches and the toxins fit the symptoms.

Mr Man , the note on the floating body 4 days ago is interesting . That makes four deaths ..

[phuketrex]

There's a badly written report on Phuketwan now.

[sriracha john]

URGENT: Phi Phi Poisoning Kills Two Tourists, Says Krabi Governor

THE CAUSE of poisoning that killed two tourists on Phi Phi at the weekend is being investigated, the Governor of Krabi, Siwa Sirisaowalak.

The governor was adamant that two tourists had died.

A spokeswoman at Vachira Hospital on Phuket confirmed the bodies of a man and a woman had been received from Phi Phi and sent on to Bangkok for forensic tests.



- Phuketwan / 2009-05-06

[CFIT]

".....The governor was adamant that two tourists had died."

So, who's arguing with  him ??

Yes , VERY poorly written, this news site showed such promise and then just really went into the toilet about two months ago.


And no one is mentioning the body found floating 5 days ago and the Norwegian man from a month ago..

[phuketrex]

CFIT, on 2009-05-06 17:30:16, said:

And no one is mentioning the body found floating 5 days ago and the Norwegian man from a month ago..

Seems the mans' body mentioned in the Phuketwan report was probably the Norwegian 46 year old found in the sea. They've now adjusted the report and removed him!

Edited by phuketrex, 2009-05-06 16:38:23.

[CFIT]

MisterMan, on 2009-05-06 14:33:06, said:

Only 1 person for the job! Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand M.D.

I was watching a show just a few nights ago on Nat Geo I think, with her in  it.
She was claiming until forensic evidence collecting  is taken AWAY from police responsibility, ( and this is her statement , not mine, although I agree completely ..) there will never be a competent judicial system within LOS .

[CFIT]

phuketrex, on 2009-05-06 16:38:03, said:

CFIT, on 2009-05-06 17:30:16, said:

And no one is mentioning the body found floating 5 days ago and the Norwegian man from a month ago..

Seems the mans' body mentioned in the Phuketwan report was probably the Norwegian 46 year old found in the sea. They've now adjusted the report and removed him!

Link Link Link, Please

The Norwegian man dead a month ago is from a report within Norway, the body in the water has  not been reported on since discovery.

And  how does PhuketWan  know it was poisoning ?  Sure , they " Chase  the leads... " except today when they get them from Andaman news and  TV !!!
What a dismal piece of reporting , they got rid of the " Adamant"  term  though

Hey I know that pic  , an Illyiushin off 27 HKT !!! What a beast !!!

Edited by CFIT, 2009-05-06 16:57:35.