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Posted 2009-06-29 08:46:12
 Oneman, on 2009-06-28 14:54:46, said:
femi fan, on 2009-06-28 10:58:55, said: could i ask you to briefly let us know the actual benefits you get from CI?
Thank you for asking, but much information about colonic irrigation is easily available elsewhere on the web.
My focus in this thread is on what services are available in Chiangmai.
If you have read some of what is already available colonic irrigation, and you have specific questions about the two services I reviewed above, I invite you to send me a PM or email.
-- Oneman
Chiangmai
No, that's alright thanks. No specific questions, just was curious to hear how a person actually feels after a CI. There's very little of that on the web, at least in the searches i've done.
Posted 2009-06-29 09:04:50
Oneman, on 2009-05-31 15:36:52, said: .
For colonic irrigation detox in Chiangmai, I recommend Janrawee House spa.
I was there for my first time this week.
Here's a review.
First, why might colonic detox be important while we are in Thailand?
Since moving to Thailand five years ago, I've been diligent about getting detox.
The reason is that food in Thailand is usually delicious, but often not clean.
So it's useful to regularly wash out the exit route.
I won't describe or promote colonic detox -- there's enough of that elsewhere on the web.
The comparison for my recommendation of Janrawee is the detox clinic at Yanhee Hospital in Bangkok.
Yanhee is very well-equipped, clean, and efficient.
I've been there seven times, and have no complaints at all -- I recommend Yanhee, too.
The key difference is Yanhee is a hospital, and Janrawee is a private spa.
Janrawee in Chiangmai uses the same, advanced, equipment as at Yanhee.
The facilities here are spotless and very pleasant, as you would expect from a slightly pricey spa.
Service is caring and careful.
That would make it ideal for a first-timer with no previous experience of colonic detox.
English language at Janrawee is limited, but sufficient.
If you don't speak any Thai, just go slowly, smile, and ask all the questions you wish.
Janrawee offers free transportation -- which I used both ways.
I arranged for pickup when I called for the appointment.
The driver came early, which impressed me.
For my first time, I was given their standard detox solution of dissolved mineral salt.
They also offer coffee solution, which I will order next time.
Cost of detox is 1,500 baht for a single session.
Package of three sessions is 3,000, which works out to 1,000 each -- three sessions for the price of two.
I bought that package.
There are other discount packages available, but I'm leery of giving Thais money in advance, and that was the smallest package to get a big discount.
For comparison, Yanhee Hospital is just over 800 baht per session.
No packages.
Plus, going to Yanhee you must include the cost of taxi two ways, because no subway or skytrain anywhere near .
So the overall cost is about the same.
Janrawee is a middle-level spa, of which there are dozens just like it in and around Chiangmai.
The colonic detox seems to be their main attraction, and that's what attracted me.
Other than that, offers the same as every other spa in town.
However, while there I also had an herbal steam and an herbal scrub.
Cost for both together: 950 baht.
Very nice, but nothing special, and I wouldn't go out of the way just for that.
But as long as I had my clothes off anyway, I ordered those, also.
I tipped 200 baht for the herbal scrub -- that girl worked hard for an hour -- but I didn't tip for the detox; not appropriate.
Gentlemen:
Spas like this are marketed to tourist females with lots of time and little to do.
Men customers are rare.
But I was treated with total courtesy.
What helped is that I had a Thai woman friend call ahead to make my appointment.
That way there was no question that the services I expected were services they provide.
And I dressed totally opposite tourist style.
I wore a fresh, ironed, buttoned shirt, with long trousers and proper shoes.
All of the above ensured that the staff took care of me in a very polite way.
Also, I went mid-day on a weekday, so less likely to have any tourist females around.
I can't object to foreign elephants visiting Thailand, but if I can avoid them, I will.
One negative -- but not bad really -- is the up-sell for packages.
You can expect up-sell at any tourist venue.
I handled that by being "all-business" when I walked in the door.
There was a hint that the staff was going into their programmed, up-sell pitch, but I quietly said, "Just detox today. Where do I go to get ready for that."
Immediate understanding; the up-sell book was closed, and I was guided into the detox room.
However, at the conclusion, the up-sell started again when I went to the front desk to pay.
Because they knew I am a Chiangmai resident, they had two ladies, working together, with big smiles, trying to point me toward the most expensive membership plans.
I simply paged through their rate book until I found the package which offered detox, 3-for-the-price-of-2, which I bought.
That is the best "deal" on offer there.
How do I know it is the best deal?
When I selected that particular package, two up-sell ladies -- in unison -- stopped smiling.
Here in Chiangmai, there is at least one other spa which offers colonic detox, but I have no experience.
There may be more; I don't know.
I'm pleased to find a clean and well-organized detox service here in Chiangmai.
-- Oneman
Price range seem to be on Par, maybe a visit next trip to CM  
Posted 2009-06-29 09:13:05
femi fan, on 2009-06-29 08:46:12, said: No, that's alright thanks. No specific questions, just was curious to hear how a person actually feels after a CI. There's very little of that on the web, at least in the searches i've done.
Most people do it in conjunction with some kind of fasting and possibly Yoga or Tai Chi or something like that. They feel good, but it is difficult to tell if it is the therapies or just doing something so positive for one's health.
I lost 5 lbs from the first colonic I ever did which stayed off and did not come back. That was kind of impressive.
Posted 2009-06-29 09:13:17
femi fan, on 2009-06-29 08:44:27, said: Jungian, on 2009-06-29 06:05:52, said: As a physician I do not recommend a colonic nor does The American Medical Association or The British Medical Association. A colonic is unnecessary and can be dangerous even life threatening if done incorrectly. If it ain't broke don't fix it. There is no quick fix for human health if you want to 'detox' don't smoke or drink alcohol, wash fruit and veggies, eat fresh fish in place of meat stay out of the polluted city. It is that simple there is no quick fix, eat healthy clean food and you know what not to eat or drink, exercise doesn't hurt either.
This of course is the best advice!
But one of the things that did intrigue me about CI is that stuff inside you gets removed that's been in your body for ages. What i've read sounded like a good spring clean. But intuitively i'm not keen to try this CI out.
Your comment however if it ain't broke don't fix it is fine to a degree, but things you do today can help with tomorrow. And i've often wondered if CI was one of those things. It may not be broke today, but what about tomorrow?!
It is a myth that "stuff" is inside your body for a long time as is the myth about swallowing chewing gum. Your body naturally pushes out waste, if you want to flush yourself out eat a high Fiber Diet with lots of roughage such as green salads, veggies and fruits. Eat whole grain bread and unpolished rice, cook foods with spices like ginger, black pepper, cumin, coriander, turmeric, cayenne pepper, fennel, as they aid digestion. Drink fresh juices also. If there is anything your body does not pass it will have to be removed surgically!
Seriously stay far, far away from this kind of thing.
Posted 2009-06-29 09:34:09
Jungian, on 2009-06-29 09:13:17, said: It is a myth that "stuff" is inside your body for a long time
I don't want to be too adamant about recommending this to anyone, but I think the chances of hurting yourself are almost none if you are a little careful.
A lot of people warn you about negative possibilities, but the only problems that I could find were with people who used dirty water tubes, but most places use new, sterilized hospital equipment.
As to removing stuff from your body, you can see what comes out by looking at a glass tube. I had thousands and thousands of seeds come out over the course of an hour.
When I was a child, I was only allowed to snack on fruits and I would often swallow the seeds whole. I cannot see where all of those seeds came from, other than the folds of my colon.
Posted 2009-06-29 22:29:17
Ulysses G., on 2009-06-29 09:34:09, said: Jungian, on 2009-06-29 09:13:17, said: It is a myth that "stuff" is inside your body for a long time
I don't want to be too adamant about recommending this to anyone, but I think the chances of hurting yourself are almost none if you are a little careful.
A lot of people warn you about negative possibilities, but the only problems that I could find were with people who used dirty water tubes, but most places use new, sterilized hospital equipment.
As to removing stuff from your body, you can see what comes out by looking at a glass tube. I had thousands and thousands of seeds come out over the course of an hour.
When I was a child, I was only allowed to snack on fruits and I would often swallow the seeds whole. I cannot see where all of those seeds came from, other than the folds of my colon.
I totally agree with Ulysses G, I've done at least 50 CI's (usually together with fasting and other natural healing detox methods) and not only I never had a problem, but I always felt better. I do know of other people's experiences with CI where they removed very old stuff and some cases where deformed colon shapes were restored to normal; these are not things that I read, but actual people that I've met. Some of those people were just about left for dead by their doctors until they tried alternative healing therapies.
Junglan postings are highly biased since he seems to be part of the mainstream medical/pharmaceutical establishment and reflects their official "myth" that they know everything and their methods are the only ones that work and dismisses everybody elses are just a myth that should not be tried (such as alternative health, acupuncture, fasting, CI, etc). That's the same people that take care of everything by prescribing drugs whose side effects kill millions, but.... oh, that's o.k. because they are approved by The American Medical Association or The British Medical Association ........... please, give me a break; you are entitled to your opinion, but don't preach to us or try to tell us what we should do or not do.
Posted 2009-06-29 23:04:06
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There used to be some question about stuff building up in the colon. Now there are cameras.
If you ever get a full colonoscopy which really IS advisable, you can see what the camera sees. Anything up there except normal tissue means you didn't follow the pre-exam instructions or you have something like polyps that need medical attention.
Butt, I've long since learned better than to argue with people who believe in CI, miracle supplements, etc.
Ask your astrologist if the colonic irrigation / aroma therapy package is right for you.
Posted 2009-06-29 23:14:33
I have a friend who had the procedure done once on the urging of some elderly aunts of his. He said he felt 10 lbs. lighter after, and was happy.
My concern with this is that it is not "natural" to introduce a large volume of water into the colon. Say you have an underlying condition, like ulcerative colitis, or a defect in the bowel wall. This could possibly be very dangerous, IMO.
For those who do this, and are happy with the results...I say more power to you.
Personally, I'll stick to the papaya smoothie method....
Posted 2009-06-29 23:23:54
ThaiPauly, on 2009-06-28 05:20:01, said: Thank you One Man for starting this thread, I have been considering a Colonic for a while now as I have Ulcerative Colitis and a CI may be very beneficial to me.
Does anyone have any experiences to share re Tao Gardens?
I believe that they offer some kind of weekend package?
Has anyone been there?
I would not even consider this if I were you. Speak with your gastroenterologist. This could be very dangerous. I had Ulcerative Colitis at one point in my life and this is the last thing I would have done.
Furthermore, those who are considering the CI can go to the pharmacy and buy a bottle of that stuff that is used to prep the colon before a colonoscopy. If you follow the directions it will completely cleanse your colon. You don't need to spend money at a CI clinic.
Posted 2009-06-30 00:30:18
Jungian, on 2009-06-29 10:13:17, said: femi fan, on 2009-06-29 08:44:27, said: Jungian, on 2009-06-29 06:05:52, said: As a physician I do not recommend a colonic nor does The American Medical Association or The British Medical Association. A colonic is unnecessary and can be dangerous even life threatening if done incorrectly. If it ain't broke don't fix it. There is no quick fix for human health if you want to 'detox' don't smoke or drink alcohol, wash fruit and veggies, eat fresh fish in place of meat stay out of the polluted city. It is that simple there is no quick fix, eat healthy clean food and you know what not to eat or drink, exercise doesn't hurt either.
This of course is the best advice!
But one of the things that did intrigue me about CI is that stuff inside you gets removed that's been in your body for ages. What i've read sounded like a good spring clean. But intuitively i'm not keen to try this CI out.
Your comment however if it ain't broke don't fix it is fine to a degree, but things you do today can help with tomorrow. And i've often wondered if CI was one of those things. It may not be broke today, but what about tomorrow?!
It is a myth that "stuff" is inside your body for a long time as is the myth about swallowing chewing gum. Your body naturally pushes out waste, if you want to flush yourself out eat a high Fiber Diet with lots of roughage such as green salads, veggies and fruits. Eat whole grain bread and unpolished rice, cook foods with spices like ginger, black pepper, cumin, coriander, turmeric, cayenne pepper, fennel, as they aid digestion. Drink fresh juices also. If there is anything your body does not pass it will have to be removed surgically!
Seriously stay far, far away from this kind of thing.
Let's see...recommendations from the AMA and BMA versus a few people who cite no scientific evidence, only anecdotes of feeling better and lighter. Gee, who's more credible?
I'll repeat my earlier comment, ain't nothing going up there unless a legitimate doctor tells me it's necessary.
Posted 2009-06-30 17:42:31
amexpat, on 2009-06-29 23:04:06, said: Ask your astrologist if the colonic irrigation / aroma therapy package is right for you.
Sawasdee Khrup, Khun AmExpat,
I think that's good advice that's very relevant in our quest here to get to the bottom of things.
But, I would personally be afraid the asstrologist might calculate which house Uranus is in wrong, and then : how could they control the camera pooperly ?
best, ~o:37;
Posted 2009-06-30 18:09:36
Jungian, on 2009-06-29 09:13:17, said: It is a myth that "stuff" is inside your body for a long time as is the myth about swallowing chewing gum. Your body naturally pushes out waste, if you want to flush yourself out eat a high Fiber Diet with lots of roughage such as green salads, veggies and fruits. Eat whole grain bread and unpolished rice, cook foods with spices like ginger, black pepper, cumin, coriander, turmeric, cayenne pepper, fennel, as they aid digestion. Drink fresh juices also. If there is anything your body does not pass it will have to be removed surgically!
Seriously stay far, far away from this kind of thing.
Thanks for the reply. I did in fact read up loads beyond the CI stuff and in fact am following a diet pretty similar to the one you talk about here. I intuitively have decided to not have a CI, at least for the time being. I'd be interested to hear about any foods you recommend NOT to eat, or eat much of.
Another thing i've been tempted to do, but yet to try out is fasting perhaps one day a week or one day a month. Perhaps just fruit juices or fruits on that day. Do you have any opinion on this?
One final question, i interpret your recommendation as being quite a strong one, to not indulge in CI. Could you elaborate?
Posted 2009-06-30 18:15:18
carlosacao, on 2009-06-29 22:29:17, said: I totally agree with Ulysses G, I've done at least 50 CI's (usually together with fasting and other natural healing detox methods) and not only I never had a problem, but I always felt better. I do know of other people's experiences with CI where they removed very old stuff and some cases where deformed colon shapes were restored to normal; these are not things that I read, but actual people that I've met. Some of those people were just about left for dead by their doctors until they tried alternative healing therapies.
Junglan postings are highly biased since he seems to be part of the mainstream medical/pharmaceutical establishment and reflects their official "myth" that they know everything and their methods are the only ones that work and dismisses everybody elses are just a myth that should not be tried (such as alternative health, acupuncture, fasting, CI, etc). That's the same people that take care of everything by prescribing drugs whose side effects kill millions, but.... oh, that's o.k. because they are approved by The American Medical Association or The British Medical Association ........... please, give me a break; you are entitled to your opinion, but don't preach to us or try to tell us what we should do or not do.
Having said that in my post above, i also have seeds of doubt (sorry!) about official advice re health issues, and am a fan of alternative methods in general. I have not closed the door on having a CI, but my big problem is coming across sufficiently decent information on which to make an informed decision. I do place emphasis on hearing what experiences people report, so i'm interested to know why you've had so many of them. Obviously they're good for you, but in what particular ways do they help you feel better? Do you do them yourself with a diy kit, or do you get them done by a professional?
The main problem with the established views amongst 'normal' doctors and health systems of the west for me is that it's just about all corrective when one has a problem. I like preventative health, hence my interest in CI and ayurveda and other forms of 'alternative' health.
Posted 2009-06-30 21:41:14
femi fan, on 2009-06-30 18:15:18, said: The main problem with the established views amongst 'normal' doctors and health systems of the west for me is that it's just about all corrective when one has a problem. I like preventative health, hence my interest in CI and ayurveda and other forms of 'alternative' health.
OTOH,
Jungian wrote: "As a physician .................. don't smoke or drink alcohol, wash fruit and veggies, eat fresh fish in place of meat stay out of the polluted city. It is that simple there is no quick fix, eat healthy clean food and you know what not to eat or drink, exercise doesn't hurt either."
AND
"if you want to flush yourself out eat a high Fiber Diet with lots of roughage such as green salads, veggies and fruits. Eat whole grain bread and unpolished rice, cook foods with spices like ginger, black pepper, cumin, coriander, turmeric, cayenne pepper, fennel, as they aid digestion. Drink fresh juices also."
That's the problem with normal doctors like Jungian. They are always lecturing me about preventative health instead of just correcting the problem. 
Really, have a look at webmd or mayoclinic sites. They offer lots of preventive advice - so you don't have to completely abandon science in your quest for health.
Posted 2009-06-30 22:04:39
Yes, that makes me look rather silly!
I won't make it worse by trying to defend myself...
Posted 2009-06-30 23:42:04
UG are you saying you never swallowed any seeds as an adult?
Posted 2009-07-01 07:29:08
Probably a few seeds, but this was literally 1,000s and at a time where I ate very little fruit with seeds, so, no matter what, it seems that they had been "stored" in there for some time.
As far as why colons look "clean" when one looks at them with a medical instrument, the people who promote them say that the gluey gunk that coats the walls of the colon has simply taken on the shape of the colon itself and is so impacted that eating a lot of roughage will not remove it without using something like a series of colonics or very strong herbs and other medicines over a long peiod of time. The whole reason that you supposedly need to take this stuff out is that it is something like rubber coating the walls of the colon and preventing one from digesting nutrients properly.
Colonics combined with herbs and a juice fast supposedly works much faster than any other way, but you are still looking at a lot of fasting and herbs and colonics to break down a thick coating of rubber lining around the colon.
Again, I am not sure about any of this, but I've never had a bad experience with any of these therapies and I've never met anyone who has.
Posted 2009-07-02 08:26:43
Ulysses G., on 2009-07-01 00:29:08, said: is so impacted that eating a lot of roughage will not remove it without using something like a series of colonics or very strong herbs and other medicines over a long peiod of time.
How many Cis would it take to remove 90% of it?
How would you know when to stop?
Posted 2009-07-02 08:46:24
I am not an expert, but I have done a lot of reading about CIs and have had a few myself.
I would guess that everyone is different about how many you need depending on diet and the efficiency of your digestive system, but if you combined a juice fast with herbs designed to clean the colon and a real colonic machine (not a gravity setup), I would think that you could get most of the supposed gunk out in a few weeks.
I would also guess that once the hard, runbberlike stuff that you see in all the photos starts coming out, you would just keep going until it stopped.
You would really need to talk to a real expert before you attempted this.
Posted 2009-07-02 09:06:22
Ulysses G., on 2009-07-01 07:29:08, said: As far as why colons look "clean" when one looks at them with a medical instrument, the people who promote them say that the gluey gunk that coats the walls of the colon has simply taken on the shape of the colon itself ...........
Your caveat is spot on, U.G.
Please consider this. How likely is it that the herbally challenged mainstream medical establishment can't tell gluey gunk from normal colon when they see it, butt OTOH this is how they repair a brain aneurysm:
"A catheter is guided through a small cut in your groin to an artery and then to the small blood vessels in your brain where the aneurysm is. Thin metal wires are put into the aneurysm. They then coil up into a mesh ball. Blood clots that form around this coil prevent the aneurysm from breaking open and bleeding." And this is one of the less complicated things they do.
I'm no fan of our medical system's business practices, but I do believe they generally know what they are doing. Ass for the CI's, if it gives you a thrill, what the heck - you have nothing to lose butt some money unless you have an internal problem or bad luck. I'm not sure that's completely true either.
Cheers
Posted 2009-07-02 11:03:03
mcgriffith, on 2009-06-30 00:14:33, said: I have a friend who had the procedure done once on the urging of some elderly aunts of his. He said he felt 10 lbs. lighter after, and was happy.
My concern with this is that it is not "natural" to introduce a large volume of water into the colon. Say you have an underlying condition, like ulcerative colitis, or a defect in the bowel wall. This could possibly be very dangerous, IMO.
For those who do this, and are happy with the results...I say more power to you.
Personally, I'll stick to the papaya smoothie method....
McG, I'm interested to know how you get the papaya smoothie up your cloaca.
Posted 2009-07-02 11:37:41
Blinky Bill, on 2009-07-02 11:03:03, said: mcgriffith, on 2009-06-30 00:14:33, said: I have a friend who had the procedure done once on the urging of some elderly aunts of his. He said he felt 10 lbs. lighter after, and was happy.
My concern with this is that it is not "natural" to introduce a large volume of water into the colon. Say you have an underlying condition, like ulcerative colitis, or a defect in the bowel wall. This could possibly be very dangerous, IMO.
For those who do this, and are happy with the results...I say more power to you.
Personally, I'll stick to the papaya smoothie method....
McG, I'm interested to know how you get the papaya smoothie up your cloaca.
The straw?
Posted 2009-07-02 23:04:27
Naw, I used an Aussie Bush technique.
Involves a Croation dwarf gymnast, and miscellaneous paraphernalia.
Video on Utube to follow.....
Posted 2009-07-02 23:07:00
Oh, but back to colonic irrigations.
I vote no.
We need a poll; where's MapGuy or priceless, when we need them..... 
Posted 2009-07-02 23:37:00
Ulysses G., on 2009-07-01 08:29:08, said: As far as why colons look "clean" when one looks at them with a medical instrument, the people who promote them say that the gluey gunk that coats the walls of the colon has simply taken on the shape of the colon itself and is so impacted that eating a lot of roughage will not remove it without using something like a series of colonics or very strong herbs and other medicines over a long peiod of time.
So the people who are making money from CI's tell you that you need a lot of them to get the job done? I'm not surprised.
I've read the fine print on a number of natural remedies, they all say you need to take the remedy for a long time and none of them cite credible evidence that they work. But trying to sale the most of whatever you have to sell is not unusual; oil change businesses recommend changing oil two to three times as often as is necessary, appliance, car and real estate sales people want to sale you the most expensive appliance, car or house you can afford, and of course you can never have too much insurance, or too many shoes, or too much jewelry, or too big a yacht, etc.
BTW, did you consider the possibility that that gluey gunk belongs in the intestine and you shouldn't wash it out? Or that the CI salesman giving this pitch assumes you'll never get anyone to look up there and see if the gunk removal worked? Or that the "lighter and better" feeling CI proponents claim can be accomplished with a good bowel movement?
This still strikes me as an uncomfortably intrusive, risky, and unnecessary waste of money.
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