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#51
GrahamF
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-27 10:14:18
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. #52
changraider
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-27 12:33:56
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. I thought we were only allowed to say what did work, not what didn't work, on this forum - or are there different rules for AAers? #53
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2011-11-27 12:48:05
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. I thought we were only allowed to say what did work, not what didn't work, on this forum - or are there different rules for AAers? I think the emphasis is more on constructively sharing experience, and less on futile bickering amongst ourselves. I've not foiund anyone that got sober by pointless bickering, but I've met a few that went to the pub in preference to it SC I suppose will-power might work for others, but for me, the challenge has always been to find something else to do, and establish a lifestyle that did not revolve around the pub. I was never very good at sitting at home not drinking... Edited by StreetCowboy, 2011-11-27 12:49:37. #54
changraider
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-27 12:55:58
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. I thought we were only allowed to say what did work, not what didn't work, on this forum - or are there different rules for AAers? I think the emphasis is more on constructively sharing experience, and less on futile bickering amongst ourselves. I've not foiund anyone that got sober by pointless bickering, but I've met a few that went to the pub in preference to it SC I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? #55
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2011-11-27 15:45:49
.... I think the emphasis is more on constructively sharing experience, and less on futile bickering amongst ourselves. I've not foiund anyone that got sober by pointless bickering, but I've met a few that went to the pub in preference to it SC I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? I think that there is no harm in sharing the futilities of our unsuccessful struggles. THere is no harm in saying what we tried, in vain. The ill-will starts when people start suggesting that one method or another will not work for someone else... SC #56
changraider
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-27 15:58:57
.... I think the emphasis is more on constructively sharing experience, and less on futile bickering amongst ourselves. I've not foiund anyone that got sober by pointless bickering, but I've met a few that went to the pub in preference to it SC I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? I think that there is no harm in sharing the futilities of our unsuccessful struggles. THere is no harm in saying what we tried, in vain. The ill-will starts when people start suggesting that one method or another will not work for someone else... SC In that case I'm sure no one will object if I say that some estimates of AA failure rates are as high as 95%. Even the 'successful' ones merely replace one dependency with another, albeit a less damaging one. #57
SaNim
Advanced Member Posted 2011-11-27 18:14:22
I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? From a non participant , it seems so. #58
GrahamF
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-27 20:39:14
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. I guess that I'll add that I am in favor of any method that one uses to achieve sobriety, as long as it doesn't hurt others of course. At the end of the day it means that there is one less drunk out there creating havoc in their own and others lives. #59
changraider
Senior Member Posted 2011-11-28 10:53:32
From the sound of it, you may be headed down that path. But it's never too late to change your ways. It's all about will power and the desire to change. Do you really want to have a different future? If so, then start living a different present. Will power and self knowledge didn't work for me. A desire to change is a good beginning. I guess that I'll add that I am in favor of any method that one uses to achieve sobriety, as long as it doesn't hurt others of course. At the end of the day it means that there is one less drunk out there creating havoc in their own and others lives. Agreed, and not just 'out there' but also in their homes. The unusual thing about this sub-forum is that it's open to people who sometimes 'drink too much' and want to manage their drinking, and also to people who consider themselves to be 'alcoholics' for which the prescription is usually agreed to be abstinence. So I guess it's not surprising that there's the occasional crosswire; what does surprise me is that the sub-forum is so quiet given the range of drink issues usually found in retired expat communities. Anyway, that's a different story, have a good day :-) #60
rahi
Member Posted 2011-12-26 20:22:26
I think it's all about self control and reasons behind the drinking. As some said here earlier, they found lady which kept them sober and some said it was downhill slope due cheap booze.
Social drinking does not require daily dose. And the drink itself isn't company either. I think you should think about the reasons (issues?) behind drinking then get them sorted and continue as normal "casual" drinker (I think you know what I mean). Things tends to get from bad to worse in Thailand if they are negative. Edited by rahi, 2011-12-26 20:23:06. #61
chargers2011
Advanced Member Posted 2011-12-27 06:19:15
I've been drinking for 23 years and a functional alcoholic for about 15 years now. I don't drink everyday. I usually just drink on my days off. When I was single, I didn't worry about my drinking (one of the good things about being single). Now I have to keep it under control because I have a wife and a young boy. I know when I get drunk, my wife looks at me and thinks "what a loser". Last week, I decided to quit drinking until my next vacation to Thailand in November. I've never quit drinking before and I'm sure it won't be easy. I want to drink again, but I want to do a better job of being under control. I want to keep it under 6 beers/day on my days off and during vacations. I'm going to do my best to control it, because I don't want to be like my sister and two brothers. They can't drink at all because they became alcoholics to maximum. Best of luck, mate. Make the most of your sobriety, and you might not want to go back... Your health will benefit, though you might not notice it at first, and you'll be able to get more done; I'd have never got the job I'm in now if I'd been drinking - I'd not have been so positive and fresh at the interview, even if I had had nothing to drink on the plane over... just the general lethargy of too many late nights would have taken its toll. See you in November! SC I was able to quit for 2 months. Back to drinking usual. I buy an 18 pack of beer on the weekend and I drink at home. I have it under control right now, but it will only get worse in the future. #62
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2011-12-28 20:19:34
I've been drinking for 23 years and a functional alcoholic for about 15 years now. I don't drink everyday. I usually just drink on my days off. When I was single, I didn't worry about my drinking (one of the good things about being single). Now I have to keep it under control because I have a wife and a young boy. I know when I get drunk, my wife looks at me and thinks "what a loser". Last week, I decided to quit drinking until my next vacation to Thailand in November. I've never quit drinking before and I'm sure it won't be easy. I want to drink again, but I want to do a better job of being under control. I want to keep it under 6 beers/day on my days off and during vacations. I'm going to do my best to control it, because I don't want to be like my sister and two brothers. They can't drink at all because they became alcoholics to maximum. Best of luck, mate. Make the most of your sobriety, and you might not want to go back... Your health will benefit, though you might not notice it at first, and you'll be able to get more done; I'd have never got the job I'm in now if I'd been drinking - I'd not have been so positive and fresh at the interview, even if I had had nothing to drink on the plane over... just the general lethargy of too many late nights would have taken its toll. See you in November! SC I was able to quit for 2 months. Back to drinking usual. I buy an 18 pack of beer on the weekend and I drink at home. I have it under control right now, but it will only get worse in the future. What do you do with an 18-pack at home? For me, I go to the pub and imagine I have a social life, adventures, a wild and wacky lifestyle. Wild and wacky credit card bills, anyway... Not tonight, though; I'm just off to bed... SC #63
49337
Member Posted 2011-12-29 18:14:21
i drink a lot too when i go to thailand and everywhere else for that matter. i went for rehab and i am cleared of any drinks since febuary.hope this is helpful
#64
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2011-12-29 20:23:25
i drink a lot too when i go to thailand and everywhere else for that matter. i went for rehab and i am cleared of any drinks since febuary.hope this is helpful Well done! SC #65
chargers2011
Advanced Member Posted 2011-12-29 23:57:30
Here in America, on the weekends, I go out and about during the day. At night, I drink my beers and watch sports. I find going out to the bars in America kind of boring (or maybe, I'm boring). I'll be going to Thailand soon. There, I love going to the bars. I'll be bar hoping every night and drinking on average 10 Singhas. The bars are a lot of fun in Pattaya/Bangkok. American bars suck, unless you're a young 20 something or a regular old alcoholic barfly.
#66
ding
mondo vita Posted 2011-12-30 08:38:00
In that case I'm sure no one will object if I say that some estimates of AA failure rates are as high as 95%. Even the 'successful' ones merely replace one dependency with another, albeit a less damaging one. Bill W said he would change the word 'rarely' to 'never' - if he could change one thing. Edited by ding, 2011-12-30 08:49:22. #67
ding
mondo vita Posted 2011-12-30 08:47:38
I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? All I ever hear is, 'Our hats are off...' to those who quit and stay quit, living good lives - no matter HOW they quit without AA. My hat's off to missgrin 100% fwiw. #68
OLDAUSSIE
Senior Member Posted 2011-12-31 07:16:27
.... I think the emphasis is more on constructively sharing experience, and less on futile bickering amongst ourselves. I've not foiund anyone that got sober by pointless bickering, but I've met a few that went to the pub in preference to it SC I almost always enjoy your posts SC, and usually find them entertaining as well as constructive. I also am averse to petty bickering on any forum, especially this one. But if missgrin finds that willpower works that's great even though it's diametrically different from AA ideology. My initial question remains the same - are AAers afforded special priveleges on this forum? I think that there is no harm in sharing the futilities of our unsuccessful struggles. THere is no harm in saying what we tried, in vain. The ill-will starts when people start suggesting that one method or another will not work for someone else... SC In that case I'm sure no one will object if I say that some estimates of AA failure rates are as high as 95%. Even the 'successful' ones merely replace one dependency with another, albeit a less damaging one. Well maybe I am one of the lucky ones. I have not had a drink for 32 years thanks to AA and the old timers who helped me through the difficult times of early sobriety. #69
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2011-12-31 21:05:18
... I think that there is no harm in sharing the futilities of our unsuccessful struggles. THere is no harm in saying what we tried, in vain. The ill-will starts when people start suggesting that one method or another will not work for someone else... SC In that case I'm sure no one will object if I say that some estimates of AA failure rates are as high as 95%. Even the 'successful' ones merely replace one dependency with another, albeit a less damaging one. Well maybe I am one of the lucky ones. I have not had a drink for 32 years thanks to AA and the old timers who helped me through the difficult times of early sobriety. I'm in the 95%, I'm afraid. I reckon the only way AA will work for me is if I thoroughly follow their path. SC #70
GrahamF
Senior Member Posted 2011-12-31 22:14:13
... I think that there is no harm in sharing the futilities of our unsuccessful struggles. THere is no harm in saying what we tried, in vain. The ill-will starts when people start suggesting that one method or another will not work for someone else... SC In that case I'm sure no one will object if I say that some estimates of AA failure rates are as high as 95%. Even the 'successful' ones merely replace one dependency with another, albeit a less damaging one. Well maybe I am one of the lucky ones. I have not had a drink for 32 years thanks to AA and the old timers who helped me through the difficult times of early sobriety. I'm in the 95%, I'm afraid. I reckon the only way AA will work for me is if I thoroughly follow their path. SC SC, might be worth giving it a shot, what have you got to lose? Anyway, I really do hope that you find something that works for you, whatever it might be! #71
StreetCowboy
Titanium Member Posted 2012-01-01 07:52:00
... I'll be going to Thailand soon. There, I love going to the bars. I'll be bar hoping every night.... [SC: My bold] I know exactly what you mean... I do that wherever I am, though usually in vain, unless at great expense. SC |
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