Posted 2009-06-28 15:55:17
 Plus, on 2009-06-28 08:34:55, said:
Thais cannot accept Noppadon's agreement that parts of the site on Thai side of the border don't have historical value and Cambodian explanation for it.
Unesco shouldn't have accepted the bid without Thai consent, and they were clearly mistaken when they thought photos of disgraced FM signing annuled agreement qualifies as Thai support and "joint" listing.
Having said that, I won't obstruct your physiological need to rant about pad fascism, go on, most of people have left that emotional wave a year ago.
On the subject of ranting, I will accept no lectures from you.
The PAD intervention on the highly sensitive issue of Preah Vihar was a classic fascist tactic.If you can't grasp that you don't understand history.I feel no need to rehash the past but let me point out it was you that suggested the PAD stirring up of nationalist sentiment was some kind of public service.
Posted 2009-06-28 16:46:12
The agreement was illegal regardless of PAD. They just brought the matter to the public attention.
Let's not do lawyerspeak - "until it was ruled on by the courts it was all kosher", presumption of innocence and crap.
The agreement should have been discussed by the society, doesn't matter via the parliament or not.
Posted 2009-06-28 17:38:04
economy is dying, and they are fighting over a fuc_king temple, jees. No wonder this world is going doing, everybody just cares for himself or his own ego
Posted 2009-06-29 02:57:51
Datsun240Z, on 2009-06-28 17:38:04, said: economy is dying, and they are fighting over a fuc_king temple, jees. No wonder this world is going doing, everybody just cares for himself or his own ego
Couldn't be said better.
Posted 2009-06-29 08:19:05
What's "going doing" and why it can't be said better?
Posted 2009-06-29 12:03:23
Suthep: Hun Sen to avoid violence at Thai-Cambodian border
BANGKOK, 29 June 2009 (NNT) - The Cambodian Prime Minister has assured that he would avert violence and confrontation from resuming at the Thai-Cambodian border, according to Deputy Prime Minister for security affairs Suthep Thaugsuban.
After discussion with Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, Mr. Suthep stated that the Cambodian leader insisted that he would try to stop violence and relieve the tension at the Thai-Cambodian border.
-- NNT 2009-06-29
Posted 2009-06-29 17:58:13
sriracha john, on 2009-06-29 13:03:23, said: Suthep: Hun Sen to avoid violence at Thai-Cambodian border
BANGKOK, 29 June 2009 (NNT) - The Cambodian Prime Minister has assured that he would avert violence and confrontation from resuming at the Thai-Cambodian border, according to Deputy Prime Minister for security affairs Suthep Thaugsuban.
After discussion with Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, Mr. Suthep stated that the Cambodian leader insisted that he would try to stop violence and relieve the tension at the Thai-Cambodian border.
-- NNT 2009-06-29
But who created the tension in the first place? PAD? DEM? Mark? Kasit? Sondhi?
Posted 2009-06-30 08:18:03
Troops will stay put in temple area, Abhisit says
Thailand will not withdraw its troops from the disputed border area near the Preah Vihear temple, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva says. The prime minister yesterday reiterated the government's stance against the World Heritage Committee and UNESCO's approval of Phnom Penh's unilateral listing of the Preah Vihear temple ruins as a World Heritage site.
Mr Abhisit said he did not want the Preah Vihear issue to affect relations and other areas of cooperation between Bangkok and Phnom Penh. However, he said Thai troops would remain in the 4.6 square kilometre area claimed by the two countries close to the temple.
The prime minister said the government felt the need to reserve the right to maintain its opposition to the temple listing. The government is renewing its campaign against the listing of the 11th century Hindu temple ruins as Cambodia was due to submit a progress report to a World Heritage Committee meeting in Seville, Spain, after it successfully pushed for the ancient temple to be put on the World Heritage list last year. Natural Resources and Environment Minister Suwit Khunkitti is in Seville seeking a review of the temple listing at the WHC meeting there. Mr Abhisit said he was waiting for the outcome of talks between the Thai delegation and the WHC.
Mr Abhisit said he had just learned that Unesco had decided to postpone consideration of the request for a review of Preah Vihear's World Heritage status until next year because it had not received information from Cambodia.
Continued here:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1936...ea-abhisit-says
-- Bangkok Post 2009-06-30
Posted 2009-07-01 01:47:07
Army Chief Pledges No Use of Force to Solve Border Conflict
Thailand's Army Chief affirmed that both the Thai and Cambodian governments are seeking to end the Preah Vihear and border disputes by peaceful means. The two parties may consider downsizing their troops, as deemed appropriate.
Army Commander-in-Chief General Anupong Paojinda said that both the Thai and Cambodian governments do not favor the use of military force to end the ongoing border conflict. He added that both parties consider the continued tension a waste of valuable budget.
General Anupong stated that the Army is considering scaling down its operations over the disputed border in compliance with the government's policy. An additional plan to downsize the military, as a whole, is subject to further discussion among parties involved.
He said the time frame for such discussions has not been determined, nor has the extent of downsizing been discussed.
-- Tan Network 2009-06-30
Posted 2009-07-01 07:23:55
Army plans troop cuts near temple
World Heritage Committee to review site listing
The army plans to reduce troop numbers around the disputed Preah Vihear temple in a bid to ease border tensions with Cambodia. Army Chief Anupong Paojinda yesterday said there would be a reduction soon in the number of soldiers deployed around the mountain, where the ruins of the ancient Hindu temple sit, to comply with a recent agreement reached with Cambodia.
The agreement was reached between Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, and Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwon at the weekend, he said. "But there won't be a complete pullout. It will simply be an adjustment to bring down the number of troops stationed there," Gen Anupong said. "We still need troops in the area to reinforce our position that the area is ours."
Troop numbers around Preah Vihear should be reduced to the level the army maintained before the recent reinforcements were called in, Gen Anupong said. No exact time-frame has been set for the reduction. Further talks would be needed to specify troop levels that both sides would find acceptable, he said. An informed source said there were currently around 5,000 Cambodian troops and 3,000 Thai soldiers in the disputed area.
Continued here:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1941...uts-near-temple
-- Bangkok Post 2009-07-01
Posted 2009-07-01 07:31:34
Cambodia gets more time to submit Preah Vihear plans
Cambodia has until February next year to submit its plan for safeguarding and developing the Preah Vihear temple, Natural Resource and Environment Minister Suwit Khunkitti said yesterday.
The World Heritage Committee's decision initially obligated Cambodia to submit its plan by February this year, following the temple's heritage inscription last July.
However, Phnom Penh has not been able to submit many details of the plan, including a map of buffer zones around the site, owing to its boundary conflict with Thailand.
Fortunately, the delay has given Thailand a chance to campaign for a joint nomination of the Hindu temple with Cambodia, Suwit said.
The controversial Preah Vihear attracted renewed international attention after Thailand maintained its objection to the temple's inscription, which resulted in an angry outburst from Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen and tension at the border.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva did not discuss the campaign for a joint nomination. However, he did say that since Cambodia has more time to submit its plan, it would have an opportunity to follow the World Heritage Committee's decisions and clear up any difficulties along the border.
"We have expressed our concerns to the World Heritage Committee over several sensitive issues because we don't want to have problems or any tension with Cambodia," Abhisit said.
However, acting government spokesman Panitan Watanayagorn interpreted the delay as a victory for Thailand, following Suwit's heavy campaign during the committee's meeting in Spain from June 23 to 30.
He said the delay would give Thailand a chance to seek better understanding from members of the World Heritage Committee.
"The government hoped the World Heritage Committee would allow the two countries to jointly run the temple," Panitan told reporters.
Army chief General Anupong Paochinda said he would redeploy troops to border areas adjacent to the Hindu temple in accordance with the government's policy to pave the way for a peaceful solution.
"We don't have a time-frame, but it depends on the satisfaction of both countries. We have a common intention not to use force," he said.
-- The Nation 2009-07-01
Posted 2009-07-01 07:41:35
Thai PM says delayed Preah Vihear temple World Heritage Site registration could solve problems
BANGKOK, June 30 (TNA) - Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Tuesday he believes a delay in registering ancient Preah Vihear temple on the Thai-Cambodian border as a World Heritage Site could allow the two countries to be able to solve other border problems.
Mr. Abhisit told journalists that Minister of Natural Resources and Environment Suwit Khunkitti had briefed Tuesday’s Cabinet meeting, held earlier in the day, on his attending the World Heritage Committee meeting held in Seville, Spain between June 22-30, and that he had handed a letter to the Committee that comprised a Thai government request to review Cambodia’s unilateral application for the historic temple to be listed as a World Heritage Site.
UNESCO agreed at the Seville meeting to delay the formal registration of the temple as a World Heritage Site until next February as the organization still has a number of other matters to implement, Mr. Abhisit said.
The delay, said Mr. Abhisit, could give an opportunity to the two countries to solve other problems related to the border.
UNESCO granted Cambodia’s application for Preah Vihear temple to be designated a World Heritage Site in July 2008. Thailand has argued that the action had led to several armed clashes around the temple and urged the world agency to review its approval.
-- TNA 2009-06-30
Posted 2009-07-04 21:22:03
Posted 2009-07-05 09:14:50
It's interesting that, as far as I can see, the quoted article from The Nation was not posted at the time of publication, given that every other article on the subject is brought to the attention of the forum - usually by the same person.Could it possibly bethe reason for this is that this article points out a few painful truths for the PAD school of whipped up nationalism? Members - or those that have an interest in this ridiculous banana republic squabble- will make up their minds about the moral and intellectual integrity this implies.
Posted 2009-07-05 10:22:36
Oberkommando, on 2009-06-02 04:40:20, said: DaleBlue, on 2009-06-01 18:56:51, said: No need to be afraid of the Cambodian.
The Swedish will be delivering the new planes soon. 
In all seriousness, history has shown in this region air superiority doesn't always bring victory when pitted against hardened guerilla fighters like those ex-Khmer Rouge on the Cambodian side of the border.
Thailand can only lose here, in the international media they are perceived as bullying a weaker neighbour and if they engage militarily they could get another bloody nose and lose face.
If the Thais step too far over the line the real military power in the region, Viet Nam, could come to Cambodia's aid and things could get quickly out of hand.
I just returned from cambodia last night after a 4 day visa run and the talk there is that Thailand is planing a military exersize in the disputed territory on the 8th which will probably lead to more clashes and the vietnamese are massing troops along their border with cambodia in order to come to the aid of the cambodians dont know if its true or not but thats the talk going around at the moment.
Posted 2009-07-06 04:58:06
EmU, on 2009-07-05 11:22:36, said: Oberkommando, on 2009-06-02 04:40:20, said: DaleBlue, on 2009-06-01 18:56:51, said: No need to be afraid of the Cambodian.
The Swedish will be delivering the new planes soon.
In all seriousness, history has shown in this region air superiority doesn't always bring victory when pitted against hardened guerilla fighters like those ex-Khmer Rouge on the Cambodian side of the border.
Thailand can only lose here, in the international media they are perceived as bullying a weaker neighbour and if they engage militarily they could get another bloody nose and lose face.
If the Thais step too far over the line the real military power in the region, Viet Nam, could come to Cambodia's aid and things could get quickly out of hand.
I just returned from cambodia last night after a 4 day visa run and the talk there is that Thailand is planing a military exersize in the disputed territory on the 8th which will probably lead to more clashes and the vietnamese are massing troops along their border with cambodia in order to come to the aid of the cambodians dont know if its true or not but thats the talk going around at the moment.
I hope what you hear is not true. Pattaya is just a short distance from the Cambodia border. Maybe I should move to Phuket just to be on a save side.
Posted 2009-07-09 04:03:29
jayboy, on 2009-07-05 09:14:50, said: It's interesting that, as far as I can see, the quoted article from The Nation was not posted at the time of publication, given that every other article on the subject is brought to the attention of the forum - usually by the same person.Could it possibly bethe reason for this is that this article points out a few painful truths for the PAD school of whipped up nationalism? Members - or those that have an interest in this ridiculous banana republic squabble- will make up their minds about the moral and intellectual integrity this implies.
It's good to see you are finally contributing to the forum by posting news that supports your opinion; the same as every other member is encouraged to do so.... but don't confuse "integrity" with "opinion." 
Edited by sriracha john, 2009-07-09 04:04:53.
Posted 2009-07-09 10:58:26
sriracha john, on 2009-07-08 21:03:29, said: jayboy, on 2009-07-05 09:14:50, said: It's interesting that, as far as I can see, the quoted article from The Nation was not posted at the time of publication, given that every other article on the subject is brought to the attention of the forum - usually by the same person.Could it possibly bethe reason for this is that this article points out a few painful truths for the PAD school of whipped up nationalism? Members - or those that have an interest in this ridiculous banana republic squabble- will make up their minds about the moral and intellectual integrity this implies.
It's good to see you are finally contributing to the forum by posting news that supports your opinion; the same as every other member is encouraged to do so.... but don't confuse "integrity" with "opinion."
Well good of you to say so, but frankly I don't have the time or inclination to post news items regularly.I appreciate the public spiritedness of most of those who do as a service to TV members.The reason I posted the article in question is that a whole raft of articles had been posted on this subject, but with the glaring omission of an opinion piece that challenged received opinion.Those who publish a constant stream of articles on various subjects - sometimes several a day - have a responsibility to aim for a reasonably fair coverage.That's the reason for my comment on moral and intellectual integrity.
Incidentally I have no problem at all in posting an article which expresses a view I disagree with, but nevertheless is informed and interesting.
Edited by jayboy, 2009-07-09 10:59:48.
Posted 2009-07-09 11:22:34
jayboy, on 2009-07-09 10:58:26, said: sriracha john, on 2009-07-08 21:03:29, said: jayboy, on 2009-07-05 09:14:50, said: It's interesting that, as far as I can see, the quoted article from The Nation was not posted at the time of publication, given that every other article on the subject is brought to the attention of the forum - usually by the same person.Could it possibly bethe reason for this is that this article points out a few painful truths for the PAD school of whipped up nationalism? Members - or those that have an interest in this ridiculous banana republic squabble- will make up their minds about the moral and intellectual integrity this implies.
It's good to see you are finally contributing to the forum by posting news that supports your opinion; the same as every other member is encouraged to do so.... but don't confuse "integrity" with "opinion."
Those who publish a constant stream of articles on various subjects - sometimes several a day - have a responsibility to aim for a reasonably fair coverage.
I don't share that opinion myself. For that, you'd need to be an automated RSS bot, which I am not. That's the only way to include all articles on both sides of a topic.
I think it's incumbent upon all posters that if they disagree with someone else's opinion to post news clippings in the news clippings forum that supports their stance on an issue.
Voicing my opinion in that manner has nothing to do with integrity.
Quote Incidentally I have no problem at all in posting an article which expresses a view I disagree with
Do you have example posts of that?
Edited by sriracha john, 2009-07-09 11:26:21.
Posted 2009-07-10 12:41:27
Cambodia deploys tanks at border
Cambodia is reported to have deployed six tanks and a large number of troops along its border with Thailand near Preah Vihear temple on Friday morning.
It was also reported that Thai troops have built 20 large bunkers to strengthen their positions on the border against any Cambodian troop incursions.
Chief of the Sao Thong Chai Tambon Administrative Organisation in Si Sa Ket’s Kantharaluck district, Boonmee Buatan, said he had warned people to refrain from traveling to border area near the ancient Khmer temple.
continued at http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...tanks-at-border
-- Bangkok Post 10/07/09
Posted 2009-07-13 22:38:37
Sisaket Governor Plays down Border Clash
The Governor of Sisaket province believes the recent clash between Thai soldiers and Cambodian loggers will not cause a new round of border dispute.
Authorities in Sisaket did not find the bodies of two Cambodian soldiers reportedly killed in a clash with a Thai military force while they were escorting illegal loggers cutting trees in a border area in Khun Harn District.
Thai soldiers seized two chainsaws and one rifle after the gunfight.
Local authorities believe the bodies have already been brought back into Cambodia as a score of Cambodian soldiers reportedly tried to sneak into the area to bring the bodies back but they were pushed back by Thai forces.
Sisaket Governor Rapee Pongbupakit said the clash will not escalate into a border dispute.
He warned farmers whose land is near the border to seek protection form the border police unit in the area as more Cambodian loggers may sneak in again.
Rapee also visited and delivered moral support to members of the border police unit and officials of the Panom Dongruk National Park who were engaged in the clash with the Cambodian loggers.
-- Tan Network 2009-07-13
Edited by sriracha john, 2009-07-13 22:39:22.
Posted 2009-07-22 14:21:52
Call for opening of Preah Vihear national park
The government should consider to quickly reopening the Preah Vihear national park in order to rehabilitate the ailing economy of the border province of Si Sa Ket, the province’s chamber of commerce chairman, Sriwan Kiatsuranont, said on Wednesday.
The trade and tourism related businesses in the northeastern city have been severely affected since the state authority shut down the national park. “The Preah Vihear national park is the only tourism selling point of Si Sa Ket and the southern part of the northeast region. The park’s closure has driven away tourists from our province”, the chairman stated, adding that Cambodia has continued to opening its Preah Vihear ancient temple for foreign tourists and local travelers.
He called on the government to reopen the national park to rehabilitate trade and tourism of the province business as soon as possible.
Continued here:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...r-national-park
-- Bangkok Post 2009-07-22
Posted 2009-07-22 14:43:45
The Thai Government still banging on about this. 
Nearly every piece printed in Thailand's English language papers is full of wishful thinking, misinformation, Thai government propaganda and downright lies. Much the same as the nonsense they churn out about the hunt for Thaksin.
I was in Cambodia over the weekend and the general feeling is the Thais will continue to try to bully Cambodia into submission but the Cambodians are adamant they will not back down.
The Thais need to let go and accept the UNESCO ruling.
Posted 2009-07-22 15:00:52
Quote Nearly every piece printed in Thailand's English language papers is full of wishful thinking, misinformation, Thai government propaganda and downright lies...
I was in Cambodia over the weekend and the general feeling is the Thais will continue to try to bully Cambodia into submission but the Cambodians are adamant they will not back down.
As if there's no such thing as propaganda or nationalism in Cambodia and Hun Sen is some kind of libertarian.
What you are saying is that they are better at brainwashing their population.
Edited by Plus, 2009-07-22 15:02:17.
Posted 2009-07-22 17:08:02
Plus, on 2009-07-22 15:00:52, said: Quote Nearly every piece printed in Thailand's English language papers is full of wishful thinking, misinformation, Thai government propaganda and downright lies...
I was in Cambodia over the weekend and the general feeling is the Thais will continue to try to bully Cambodia into submission but the Cambodians are adamant they will not back down.
As if there's no such thing as propaganda or nationalism in Cambodia and Hun Sen is some kind of libertarian.
What you are saying is that they are better at brainwashing their population.
What I am saying is the Thai government is trying to bully a weaker nation to submit to their demands over the Preah Vihear temple dispute and the surrounding land.
Cambodia is in the right here and doesn't need to lower itself to the dirty politics, lies, fraudulent nationalism and the general unacceptable behaviour the PAD and subsequently the Thai government has resorted to over the UNESCO ruling.
Cambodia will give Thailand another bloody nose if fighting starts again and if Thailand escalates the conflict Viet Nam will probably get involved and the Thais are no match for them as history clearly shows.
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