Posted 2009-06-07 19:28:16
 catmac, on 2009-06-07 14:01:41, said:
sriracha john, on 2009-06-07 01:20:20, said: catmac, on 2009-06-06 13:07:56, said: Abhisit spouting his usual platitudes, while his puppet-masters are looting the state coffers under his very nose!
Without a real change at the top, I can't see the situation improving anytime soon.
A good, honest cop like Thaksin sure did a lot in his 6 years to clean up the police force... 
As always, you try to shift the blame onto Thaksin and the past. Some time soon, you'll have to start living in the present and start taking the present regime's inability to correct any of these faults at its face value.
Not shifting any blame, just keeping things in perspective... let's give Abhisit the same six years Thaksin had and not six months.
Thai cops have been the "top of the graft list" for 100 years... given that, you can blame every government for what the cops do.
Posted 2009-06-08 08:05:35
Geckos, on 2009-06-06 11:37:29, said: Everyone knows this and it will remain this way for another 100 years that's what Thailand is built on !!!
Unfortunately I believe you are absolutely correct; I agree. Corruption is the cause of practically ALL mayhem and undesirable conditions in LOS (LACK OF SANCTIONS). Pity because the Thai people really deserve better, but as my significant other asks," but what can we (the little people) do"? The wealthy and powerful individuals/families have one but one mission, and that is NOT to benefit the whole.
How can this society change when teachers can not give a deserved grade to a student but rather MUST first think of the student's FACE???? 
Posted 2009-06-08 08:08:15
grantbkk, on 2009-06-06 12:40:08, said: The same researchers also found, after a five year exhaustive study, that fish need water to survive.
LOL and the researchers were probably being paid handsomely while doing both studies. LOL
Posted 2009-06-08 08:31:07
Quote Abhisit spouting his usual platitudes, while his puppet-masters are looting the state coffers under his very nose!
That's quite a twist given that neither Abhisit nor the military are mentioned at all.
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Police and some ministries and agencies are not the news.
TAO and other provincial bodies are a surprise - they have to be voted in locally, if they are so obviously corrupt, how are they getting re-elected? Is it a problem with electorate? If it is, how can you trust this same electorate make clean choices on the national level when they can't keep their local bodies clean?
Maybe we should accept that corruption has become a standard way of governing for Thai society. Is it dangerous? How much? Should it be reduced, or let's just learn to live with it? For some it's unacceptable no matter what, for others it's not such a big deal.
Posted 2009-06-08 10:14:08
Plus, on 2009-06-08 08:31:07, said: Quote Abhisit spouting his usual platitudes, while his puppet-masters are looting the state coffers under his very nose!
That's quite a twist given that neither Abhisit nor the military are mentioned at all.
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Police and some ministries and agencies are not the news.
TAO and other provincial bodies are a surprise - they have to be voted in locally, if they are so obviously corrupt, how are they getting re-elected? Is it a problem with electorate? If it is, how can you trust this same electorate make clean choices on the national level when they can't keep their local bodies clean?
Maybe we should accept that corruption has become a standard way of governing for Thai society. Is it dangerous? How much? Should it be reduced, or let's just learn to live with it? For some it's unacceptable no matter what, for others it's not such a big deal.
The problem with those local elections is that standing against the local influentails is just dangerous. I personally know of a few people who have been asked to stand in TAO elections in the lower north of Thailand by farmers and have then been told by local enforcers that to do so would not be in their interest. Not surprisingly none of them decdied to stand telling me it was too dangerous. TAO and PAO are quite corrupt and usually linked to local robber baron network who in turn are usually linked to a politcal party. It is all about control and power at every level and control of how elections pan out has naby facets. At local level making sure there are no viable opponets is just one.
Posted 2009-06-08 10:50:22
Well, if democracy doesn't work on local levels, maybe they should try national instead - those feudals can't control national politics.
Maybe there should be greater separation and locally elected MPs should have less influence on national affairs/government.
Currently the push is to have more MPs in the government, though.
Posted 2009-06-08 10:51:18
grantbkk, on 2009-06-06 12:40:08, said: The same researchers also found, after a five year exhaustive study, that fish need water to survive.
I am sure those same researchers ate very well
during this successful research project too.
Posted 2009-06-08 12:23:23
grantbkk, on 2009-06-06 12:40:08, said: The same researchers also found, after a five year exhaustive study, that fish need water to survive.
Also that bears have sometimes been known to defecate in the woods.
One wonders what level-of-corruption would be acceptable ?
Posted 2009-06-08 12:33:14
Plus, on 2009-06-08 10:50:22, said: Well, if democracy doesn't work on local levels, maybe they should try national instead - those feudals can't control national politics.
Maybe there should be greater separation and locally elected MPs should have less influence on national affairs/government.
Currently the push is to have more MPs in the government, though.
The feudals tend to be the MPs at national level or if not then their cousins or their proxies. The whole thing is a mess. Some say with time it will evolve if left alone. Some say it needs immediate and urgent overhaul. Ho hum. It is all power games anyway. Even in advanced western countries polticians love their power and games although the electorate tend to be better informed and other check institutions tend to be stronger and more independent of control by politicos.
Posted 2009-06-08 12:41:28
pianoman, on 2009-06-06 08:52:49, said: And this comes as a Surprise to Whom???
Let's see, they want people to report the "Bribes" requested / suggested by the Police to whom?? And then who is going to protect you from those that you reported???
This problem in Thailand starts at the Top and goes all the way down with most Goverment Officials and Offices, unforturnately there is little chance that anyone can come up with a way to stop or even reduce it...
Pianoman
There is a fairly good and honest ant-corruption department here in NS. And they do crack down on the corruption they find. Problem is, they do not get many reports of corruption and most of what they find themselves are false claims for expenses and similar items.
That coming from someone who works there.
Seems to me that most Thai people accept the corruption as part of the way of life, even down to the 20 Baht to report a lost item to the police.
What the departments are like in other areas, I would not like to speculate.
Posted 2009-06-08 22:39:28
I am shocked by this news and now feel I must return to the UK where police are honest and politicians have the public's best interests at heart.
Posted 2009-06-08 23:41:39
And who got paid off to get this study contract ?
Posted 2009-07-02 07:44:58
This thread is relevant to the British Couple extortion story.
Hope some reporters do a thorough follow up and nail these Police.
Tourism cannot take any more bad news like this.
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